Panel approves Turtle Bay purchase

Feb 26, 2008 Read more: Honolulu Star-Bulletin 29
A committee in the state Senate OKs a bill to buy the resort and prevent development By Richard Borreca rborreca@starbulletin.com State senators are raising more questions about the price and practicality of an ... Read more
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Effin Haole

Los Angeles, CA

#22 Feb 26, 2008
If the property has to be taken, why not make it part of the OHA settlement? Let's see how serious OHA is about working for the betterment of Hawaiians.

What about KSBE buying the property for the same reasons? But then again, who wants to see some BS lawsuit lost and a non-Hawaiian end up with it?

Whoever ends up with it, the profits should be allowed to leave the islands.
Effin Haole

Los Angeles, CA

#23 Feb 26, 2008
Opps, should NOT BE ALLOWED to leave the island.
money_printer

United States

#24 Feb 26, 2008
James wrote:
I first thought the Gov. was crazy to propose this. Now I see the Senate is crazy, too. Someone must have a money-printing machine or something.
We, the tax payers, are the money printers. Sorry but my ink cartridge is already empty.
takspyr

Honolulu, HI

#25 Feb 26, 2008
Carnac the Magnificent wrote:
Jeezus can't anyone see the writing on the wall? The ultimate objective here is PRESERVATION. The modern hawaii definition of preservation = YOU LOCALS KEEP OUT!!! Not only should the state be involved in this but once the deal is done the shoreline from Kahuku golf course to Turtle bay will prohibit locals like you and I to enjoy fishing or diving activities cause the area will become a refuge for monk seals, birds and turtles. More land and ocean taken away from us. THINK PEOPLE. THINK! The writings on the wall.
It's a good theory. However, when I follow the money, there is no money in preservation! As I said, if there is going to be any exploitation of Hawaiian land it's not going to be mainlanders doing the exploitation anymore. Lingle has chased them away! Never mind that Hawaii taxpayers can't afford to buy the property, we are going to steal it through emminent domain! The new exploiters are going to be Hawaiian democtrats, liberals, socialists and communists! Viva Cuba! Viva Lingle!!
Sunny K

Waipahu, HI

#26 Feb 27, 2008
Back door bail out theory to "INVOKE EMINENT DOMAIN"

Scenario:

Developer first asks government to seize the land...cannot truly condemn so you "buy" the land, right???

The state could then invoke eminent domain primarily for these public uses of preservation perhaps in the short term... but once condemned, people are booted out..., seizing smallholder land to preserve, perhaps build rural roads & parks.

Then, the homes/hotel/golf course will not be really be replaced by above, instead they'll make way for the land to be given to another private interest.

I can see it already, State will then increase condemnation of property to serve their own interests. Lobbyists will employ donating large sums to local officials to help this effort.
Surferdude

Honolulu, HI

#27 Feb 27, 2008
Carol Philips wrote:
It's less expensive to purchase the Turtle Bay property then to expand Kamehameha Hwy from Haleiwa to Kahaluu. The math behind turning the North Shore in to a second Waikiki does not add up.Keep the Country Country! www.defendoahucoalition.org
Thanks for the bullet proof logic Carol. Looking for something else to do other than be a professional wannabe politican and public relations staff for the Governor?
Surferdude

Honolulu, HI

#28 Feb 27, 2008
Anti-business protesters with signs saying "5 miles of beach and 1 access" do not help their cause.

Limited access is exactly why Turtle Bay is such a great natural resource. Ocean users actually have to make a little effort to enjoy the natural beauty.

The hotel provides free parking in the very same lot that hotel guests use. I've never seen the lot full on the dozens of weekends I've gone to the beach there.

Access is not the issue.
Surferdude

Honolulu, HI

#29 Feb 27, 2008
No to the State buying Turtle Bay and turning it into Ala Moana Beach Park.

Yes to land use laws that limit develop of Turtle Bay.

No to taxpayers buying Lingle another corporate donor for her run for U.S. Senate.

No to even more of the Governor's deficit spending.

Yes to a modest and sensible tax credits to compensate the hotel owners for the next 50 years.
Raymond

Koloa, HI

#30 Feb 27, 2008
According to a Star Bulletin report last year, 76% of Hawaii residents do not want any more hotels built on their islands.

Oaktree has ignored intense public opposition, took hundreds of millions of dollars out of the property, and the City continues to process their subdivision application based on a 1986 plan.

Oaktree's bad decisions have landed the property in foreclosure. Should the public sit back and let another developer try to push the expansion plan 22 years from now, or should we get behind the Governor to find a solution?

Even for the negative, can't-be-done, too-difficult, what's-the-big-deal-about-fore ver-altering-a-rural-community naysayers, the answer should be obvious.

The cost of doing nothing will be much greater - in both dollars and community health - than doing the right thing now.

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