How long does it take to become local?

Dec 23, 2012 Full story: Honolulu 232

It's always fun when national entertainment media tells stories about Hawaii. This October, Comedy Central broadcast an episode of South Park entitled "Going Native." In it, one of the young characters learns that, although his family now lives in Colorado, he was born in Hawaii.

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God

Honolulu, HI

#190 Feb 17, 2013
Joe Balls wrote:
<quoted text> I agree. I think Deedy may not have been drunk at all, and it's just a matter of "Get the Haole," because they are so scared of the idea of a haole getting away with killing one of their local thugs. Deedy did us all a great service, but local thugs and their families fear the same fate.

They are used to not fearing the law, or the victims. they have always been free to beat people up at will, never fearing consequences for their violence.
All we have to do is train them like we did with the fireworks. The Oahu Y2K Day probably had the best fireworks display in the entire free world. It was a war zone even before nightfall.
Fast forward; no longer do the people stuff one or two shopping carts full of fireworks at the local Longs store. The last few years i have been amazed at the turnaround of very few explosions of illegal and even the legal fireworks. Never did i thought we could stop the ' cultural custom'.

District 1

Kailua Kona, HI

#191 Feb 17, 2013
God wrote:
<quoted text>
All we have to do is train them like we did with the fireworks. The Oahu Y2K Day probably had the best fireworks display in the entire free world. It was a war zone even before nightfall.
Fast forward; no longer do the people stuff one or two shopping carts full of fireworks at the local Longs store. The last few years i have been amazed at the turnaround of very few explosions of illegal and even the legal fireworks. Never did i thought we could stop the ' cultural custom'.
"train them"
Nothing racist about this statement...
God

Honolulu, HI

#192 Feb 17, 2013
Turn it into anything you want my child.

“Ebola spreader-in-chie f needs ”

Since: Mar 09

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#193 Feb 17, 2013
Joe Balls wrote:
<quoted text> I agree. I think Deedy may not have been drunk at all, and it's just a matter of "Get the Haole," because they are so scared of the idea of a haole getting away with killing one of their local thugs. Deedy did us all a great service, but local thugs and their families fear the same fate. They are used to not fearing the law, or the victims. they have always been free to beat people up at will, never fearing consequences for their violence.
You could be right...we don't know for sure until the video is released...if that is the case, then hopefully the judge will use this case as an example for other wannabe UFC tough guys because like YO MAMA always said "one day you going ack up to the wrong person".
God

Honolulu, HI

#194 Feb 17, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
<quoted text>
You could be right...we don't know for sure until the video is released...if that is the case, then hopefully the judge will use this case as an example for other wannabe UFC tough guys because like

YO MAMA always said "one day you going ack up to the wrong person".
If you talked like this in the real they would wipe you smile away from a mile away, dog.
God

Honolulu, HI

#195 Feb 17, 2013
If you talked like this in the real they would wipe your smile away from a mile away, dog.
Even God can't escape the wrath of grammartarians.

“Ebola spreader-in-chie f needs ”

Since: Mar 09

to ban travel from Ebola land

#196 Feb 17, 2013
God wrote:
If you talked like this in the real they would wipe your smile away from a mile away, dog.
Even God can't escape the wrath of grammartarians.
You shouldn't use God's name to troll, youre going to end up in hell with Danny boi, Lard ass Smurtha and Ded Kennedy.

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#197 Feb 17, 2013
District 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Now you get it.
Even sarcasm has an element of truth.
Yes, we are regrouping to re-learn the lost art of plundering and raping. LOL

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#198 Feb 17, 2013
District 1 wrote:
<quoted text>You understand I don't disagree with your assessment.
My assertion is that Deedy was apparently derelict in his duties by being drunk while carrying--AS A SWORN FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENT. Therefore he cannot expect protection under the Supremacy Clause.
In Idaho v. Lon T. Horiuchi, the Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in 2001 wrote:“If federal agents are to perform their duties vigorously, however, they cannot be unduly constrained by fear of state prosecutions. Accordingly, the Supreme Court has held that the Supremacy Clause cloaks federal agents with immunity if they act reasonably in carrying out their responsibilities. See In re Neagle, 135 U.S. 1, 75 (1890).”
Acting reasonably would be the case if Deedy were not reportedly drunk. Probably calling 911 rather than trying to exercise powers as a Federal Agent to intercede in a "beef," race related or not, would probably have been significantly more "reasonable."
What you refer to is when Federal Agents act within the scope of their employment. Deedy was there for for summit, but was he on duty at that time? I don't believe he was. According to a State Department Special Agent who was on the plane with me back to the mainland, he was not on duty at the time.

I don't think Deedy can use his employment as cover. The state tried to go after him for carrying a gun, but if he was carrying a weapon or firearm as allowed by state department policy, he is immune from prosecution for the gun charge, regardless of the fact if he was drunk or or not. If it was determined he was drunk, the State Department can take administrative action against him for carrying a department firearm while intoxicated. In my experience, agencies will not take administrative action until the criminal case is closed.

Assuming he was was derelict of duty, that wouldn't be a state crime and therefore could not be brought into a state court.

The core of the case will eventually come down to if Deedy acted in self-defense or not.
District 1

Kailua Kona, HI

#199 Feb 17, 2013
God wrote:
Turn it into anything you want my child.
Already have. You're a racist malihini with no respect for differing cultural values.

Since: May 11

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#200 Feb 17, 2013
Curious forum lurker wrote:
<quoted text>
What you refer to is when Federal Agents act within the scope of their employment. Deedy was there for for summit, but was he on duty at that time? I don't believe he was. According to a State Department Special Agent who was on the plane with me back to the mainland, he was not on duty at the time.
If that's the case then the next question would be, Is it reasonable to expect an armed federal guard to leave his weapon at the hotel when he goes to eat, even if he does take a drink. Cops here are required to be armed at all times, even though they go out specifically to get drunk. And there is no way they can prove he was drunk anyways, no matter what. I don't think it could even be brought up in court at this point, as there was no test administered. Speculation by strangers is both biased and inadmissable, and would be objected to, and grounds for appeal, I would think. IMO, The prosecution won't get anywhere using Deedy's state of soberness.
District 1

Kailua Kona, HI

#201 Feb 17, 2013
Curious forum lurker wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, we are regrouping to re-learn the lost art of plundering and raping. LOL
"Lost?"

Since: Feb 13

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#202 Feb 17, 2013
Joe Balls wrote:
<quoted text> If that's the case then the next question would be, Is it reasonable to expect an armed federal guard to leave his weapon at the hotel when he goes to eat, even if he does take a drink. Cops here are required to be armed at all times, even though they go out specifically to get drunk. And there is no way they can prove he was drunk anyways, no matter what. I don't think it could even be brought up in court at this point, as there was no test administered. Speculation by strangers is both biased and inadmissable, and would be objected to, and grounds for appeal, I would think. IMO, The prosecution won't get anywhere using Deedy's state of soberness.
Depends on the agency. I don't know what the specific policy of the State Department is. The agency that I am very familiar with does not require carrying 24/7, allows up to double lock a firearm if you do not have it with you, and they do not allow the consumption of alcohol while carrying. Important to note here, doing so would not be illegal, but it would be administratively ring and could subject one to disciplinary action.

Carrying personally owned firearms in general is covered by 18 USC 926(b) and 18 USC 926(c). Deedy was carrying a DSS firearm so the agency policy would be applicable, not other laws. From other federal agency policies I have looked at, most do not allow for alcohol consumption, it would be an administrative violation, but not illegal.

It may be possible to prove if Deedy was drinking and how much. Did he use his credit card? Was he on surveillance at a bar or club drinking, all that could be subpoenaed and used against him.

I think he will ultimately be acquitted. But time will tell.

Since: Feb 13

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#203 Feb 17, 2013
District 1 wrote:
<quoted text>"Lost?"
Nope, now it's equal opportunity, there are people from many races.
District 1

Kailua Kona, HI

#204 Feb 17, 2013
Curious forum lurker wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, now it's equal opportunity, there are people from many races.
Learned from the example set by yours?

Since: Feb 13

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#205 Feb 17, 2013
District 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Learned from the example set by yours?
Mine, yours, and everyone else.
District 1

Kailua Kona, HI

#206 Feb 17, 2013
Curious forum lurker wrote:
<quoted text>
Mine, yours, and everyone else.
So now we agree? Haoles, locals, societies in general are equally guilty?
That was my original assertion.
It appears now that you are in fact capable of open-mindedness.
Congratulations.

Since: Feb 13

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#207 Feb 17, 2013
District 1 wrote:
<quoted text>So now we agree? Haoles, locals, societies in general are equally guilty?
That was my original assertion.
It appears now that you are in fact capable of open-mindedness.
Congratulations.
I think we mostly agree. I don't know how to measure of societies are equally guilty, and I still think that is a stretch. I would think that you would find more prejudice in the Gaza Strip than you would in Oslo.

As far as your neck of the woods, I've never been to the Big Island, so I don't know what it's like there. I've been to the other inhabited islands, except for Niihau.

As a visitor, things were fine for me, but anyone's mileage may vary.
God

Honolulu, HI

#208 Feb 17, 2013
District 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Already have. You're a racist malihini with no respect for differing cultural values.
Everyone may have an opinion. JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED
District 1

Kailua Kona, HI

#209 Feb 17, 2013
God wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone may have an opinion. JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED
Of course one may have an opinion. Mine, O Lord, happens to be that based on your statements condemning collective practices of Hawaii's multicultural society, you are a racist malihini.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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