Study: HSTA Strongest Teachers Union in America

[District 1]

Strongest teacher union = poor student performance.

Wake up, Hawaii parents: Send you kids to private school!

[weakest]

District 1 wrote:

Strongest teacher union = poor student performance.
Wake
up, Hawaii parents: Send you kids to private school!

Our own HSTA is the weakest teacher union in the United States. As a result we have no support for our teachers and the net result is a poor educational system with no curriculum, almost no standards and a weak disciplinary system that is not working.

[Hawaii you suck]

Teacher's union need to get the hell out of our schools. Unions in general need to be outlawed or at least heavily monitored and regulated.

[Joe Balls]

The teachers push Obama's agenda full-force. Let em croak.

[District 1]

weakest wrote:

<quoted text> Our own HSTA is the weakest teacher union in the United States. As a result we have no support for our teachers and the net result is a poor educational system with no curriculum, almost no standards and a weak disciplinary system that is not working.

Well, if they are such eak supporters of teachers, why do you continue to be their sheep?

[alice]

Schafe konnen sicher Weiden

[Shocklegrubber]

Schplat scheiss.

[weakest]

District 1 wrote:

<quoted text>Well, if they are such eak supporters of teachers, why do you continue to be their sheep?

The teachers are sheep and I cannot understand why they keep on paying their dues to a union that does not represent them. They were sold down the river on the 17 furlough days by the HSTA. They should get their act together and decertify the union but apparently they don't have a leader among them. So, their destiny is sealed in a helpless path.

[Joe Balls]

weakest wrote:

<quoted text> The teachers are sheep and I cannot understand why they keep on paying their dues to a union that does not represent them. They were sold down the river on the 17 furlough days by the HSTA. They should get their act together and decertify the union but apparently they don't have a leader among them. So, their destiny is sealed in a helpless path.

Bring back the furloughs! Smart move by Lingle. It forced some people to handle their own brats for a few days, but it would have saved a lot of money if the lawyers had stayed out of it. Show me ONE kid that suffered by it.

[District 1]

weakest wrote:

<quoted text> The teachers are sheep and I cannot understand why they keep on paying their dues to a union that does not represent them. They were sold down the river on the 17 furlough days by the HSTA. They should get their act together and decertify the union but apparently they don't have a leader among them. So, their destiny is sealed in a helpless path.

The big issue is that teachers are generally like the mushroom cliche: Kept in the dark and fed manure.
Any teachers who are reading this: your union has sold you down the river, and the recent statements by YOUR RE-ELECTED PRESIDENT WILL OKABE bear this out.
He's pleased that HSTA is viewed as "powerful," yet what has he done with that power? You still have the LBFO with the pay cut/furlough/unpaid days (however you want to dress up that pig with lipstick), and the other public worker unions cringe over what HSTA did with the LBR under Herb Takahashi's "wisdom."
Will Okabe has made HSTA the laughing stock of government.
You all need to de-certify the NEA affiliation, and go with a REAL union, the AFL-CIO's AFSCME and American Federation of Teachers, OR formulate your own unaffiliated union.
Still, many people live out their entire lives sticking with a dysfunctional marriage, hoping it will get better, until death do they part.
How's that working for you?

[weakest]

District 1 you make a lot of sense. Teachers are stuck with the HSTA because they are conservative, dumb, no life, follow like sheep, don't want to rock the boat and maybe more that I cannot think of.

[Joe Balls]

weakest wrote:

District 1 you make a lot of sense. Teachers are stuck with the HSTA because they are conservative, dumb, no life, follow like sheep, don't want to rock the boat and maybe more that I cannot think of.

Conservative, my ASS! They sling the Obama bullshyt like no others.

[District 1]

Joe Balls wrote:

<quoted text> Conservative, my ASS! They sling the Obama bullshyt like no others.

Teachers are conservative from a certain perspective. Before you call bool sheet, consider that they like the status quo just fine, are mostly honest and hard working, are mostly Japanese (very conservative as a race), and the broad majority believe in God and country.
The problem is they are so dang busy TEACHING that they tend to trust "leaders" to do the right thing just as they would. Problem is that folks like Okabe, who should not have gone into teaching to begin with, master-like, treat their most sincere colleagues like beasts of burden.
The HSTA (and "leaders" like Will Okabe) IS what's wrong with public education in Hawaii. I think UHPA should broaden it's mission and allow high school teachers to join. That would light a fire under HSTA. Either that or just get rid of the NEA's presence in Hawaii because NEA is the root problem.

[District 1]

weakest wrote:

District 1 you make a lot of sense. Teachers are stuck with the HSTA because they are conservative, dumb, no life, follow like sheep, don't want to rock the boat and maybe more that I cannot think of.

Thanks. I think teachers get a total raw deal from their own union, but as the old saying goes, "No one can take advantage of you without your permission."
Sack the HSTA and teachers will be much better off.

[weakest]

District 1 wrote:

<quoted text>Thanks. I think teachers get a total raw deal from their own union, but as the old saying goes, "No one can take advantage of you without your permission."
Sack the HSTA and teachers will be much better off.

The real problem is that the teachers don't realize that they pay union dues to a union(HSTA) that does not represent them. Many teachers shy away from joining the AFT because it is affiliated with the AFL which is a labor union. Anything is better than the HSTA. When will the teachers wake up?

[Joe Balls]

weakest wrote:

<quoted text> The real problem is that the teachers don't realize that they pay union dues to a union(HSTA) that does not represent them. Many teachers shy away from joining the AFT because it is affiliated with the AFL which is a labor union. Anything is better than the HSTA. When will the teachers wake up?

They think they are to good to join a "labor union?" Then they deserve everything that happens to them. I have a teacher in my family, and he's retiring after this school year. He's never liked the union, and says a lot of teachers don't like it either, but can't do anything about it. LOL, They need the Teamsters of the seventies, but the Teamsters might call for them to stand on their own feet and stop being meek crybabies.

[weakest]

I agree with District 1 that the NEA is the root of the problem in Hawaii, and yet the teachers religiously follow and adore this national organization. A few years ago when Hawaii was able to decide on CON CON, the NEA showed its colors by making a strong effort to defeat Con Con AND THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL. Are teachers color blind?

[Joe Balls]

weakest wrote:

A few years ago when Hawaii was able to decide on CON CON, the NEA showed its colors by making a strong effort to defeat Con Con AND THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL.

LOL, I forget how I voted on CON CON, but I think I voted the opposite of what I wanted. The question was written in such a confusing manner that I doubt many people understood it. You had to be a lawyer to read the damn thing. Everyone I talked to said they were confused by the question, did yes mean no" or vice versa?

[District 1]

weakest wrote:

I agree with District 1 that the NEA is the root of the problem in Hawaii, and yet the teachers religiously follow and adore this national organization. A few years ago when Hawaii was able to decide on CON CON, the NEA showed its colors by making a strong effort to defeat Con Con AND THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL. Are teachers color blind?

Unions like NEA/HSTA are PACs and nothing more. They damage the very profession they profess to protect, and rank and file are as much victims as are the children.
Kodomo no tame ni (for the sake of the children), please teachers--DUMP the HSTA, or you continue to doom Hawaii's children for the foreseeable future.

[weakest]

District 1 wrote:

<quoted text>Unions like NEA/HSTA are PACs and nothing more. They damage the very profession they profess to protect, and rank and file are as much victims as are the children.
Kodomo no tame ni (for the sake of the children), please teachers--DUMP the HSTA, or you continue to doom Hawaii's children for the foreseeable future.

I as a parent went to a PTA meeting and met my child's first grade teacher. I told her don't spare the rod if she needed to use it. Instead, she went overboard and helped my child through a very difficult period. She requested to the Principal to place my 2nd and 3rd children in her room and eventually she became our social friend.If only unions, administrators, and parents support the teacher, wonderful things can happen.