Rail support sidetracked at meeting - News

Some people said they were so bothered by the city's third community meeting about Honolulu's rail transit that they decided to change their positions and oppose the project. Full Story
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Tom

Honolulu, HI

#3 Oct 17, 2008
The studies show that cities with large, well-established rail systems have significantly higher per capita transit ridership, lower average per capita vehicle ownership and annual mileage, less traffic congestion, lower traffic death rates, lower consumer expenditures on transportation, and higher transit service cost recovery than otherwise comparable cities with less or no rail transit service. This indicates that rail transit systems provide economic, social and environmental benefits, and these benefits tend to increase as a system expands and matures. This report discusses best practices for evaluating transit benefits. We need rail and have needed it for quite some time, instead of forcing everyone to have to drive their cars wherever they want to go.
Pikake

Honolulu, HI

#4 Oct 17, 2008
I don't know why people are only now finding out that any of city administration presentations on the rail is a one-sided view of their facts. It has never been and will never be an objective presentation of rail - it will always be only the merits (or propaganda) of steel-on-steel - the administration's preferred technology.

And as previous presentations in the community, no discussion or questions will be allowed on anything except this preferred technology. The public is only spoon fed what the administration wants them to know. You are not going to hear anything negative about the project or any downside of it. It is not a pro and con discussion. They will continue to brainwash us into thinking that steel-on-steel is the best way to go as long as there is some dissent out there.
warning

Ewa Beach, HI

#5 Oct 17, 2008
hawaii is not Oregon, Oregon has more land mass...come on you rail people, you are killing me w/ transportation....LIKE I SAID BEFORE, give the people the pay they deserve$$$$$$$$$$...Hawaii is behind in paying people what the upper 49 state are paying their city, state worker....thats the really problem, this will eliminate cars on the road, most people out here have 2-3 jobs...
ABM

Des Moines, IA

#6 Oct 17, 2008
Tom wrote:
The studies show that cities with large, well-established rail systems have significantly higher per capita transit ridership, lower average per capita vehicle ownership and annual mileage, less traffic congestion, lower traffic death rates, lower consumer expenditures on transportation, and higher transit service cost recovery than otherwise comparable cities with less or no rail transit service. This indicates that rail transit systems provide economic, social and environmental benefits, and these benefits tend to increase as a system expands and matures. This report discusses best practices for evaluating transit benefits. We need rail and have needed it for quite some time, instead of forcing everyone to have to drive their cars wherever they want to go.
Aren't you tired of cutting and pasting rail propaganda? Try coming up with an original thought for once. BTW luv2surf with rail you still need to walk to the beach.
Mickey Mouse

Royal Oak, MI

#7 Oct 17, 2008
Will the choo choo run out to my new 800 million dollar house?
Lolo

Honolulu, HI

#8 Oct 17, 2008
In Hawaii you don't have to "force" anyone to drive their cars. In fact, you have to "force" them not to drive their cars. We already have an under-utilized mass transit call theBus. When you use mass transit you have to follow other people's schdule. That's whey people in Hawaii are reluctant to give up their cars.
Tom wrote:
The studies show that cities with large, well-established rail systems have significantly higher per capita transit ridership, lower average per capita vehicle ownership and annual mileage, less traffic congestion, lower traffic death rates, lower consumer expenditures on transportation, and higher transit service cost recovery than otherwise comparable cities with less or no rail transit service. This indicates that rail transit systems provide economic, social and environmental benefits, and these benefits tend to increase as a system expands and matures. This report discusses best practices for evaluating transit benefits. We need rail and have needed it for quite some time, instead of forcing everyone to have to drive their cars wherever they want to go.
ohoh

Kailua, HI

#10 Oct 17, 2008
So no matter what it costs to build the City will charge $2 per ride. Thats a lot of subsidizing by the taxpayers. And its about six traffic lanes wide? Assuming your average traffic lane is 10 feet wide, thats about 60 feet across. Pretty big if you ask me. Thats about the width of all `Ewa bound lanes in Pearl City near Pearl Country Club. Wow, thats big!
Bongo

Honolulu, HI

#12 Oct 17, 2008
So, a bunch of SRN plants tried to disrupt a rail transit presentation...yawn...where's the news?
Reality Check

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#13 Oct 17, 2008
Oh poor poor me I didn't get my question answered, I going hate you now. What kind of idiot makes decisions based on the amount of attention they get. Anyone who opposes rail is just plain old stupid. Does that piss you off? That's because you know it's true.
ABM

Des Moines, IA

#14 Oct 17, 2008
Mickey Mouse wrote:
Will the choo choo run out to my new 800 million dollar house?
Not a chance, stopping in Kapolei. But you will be paying for it.
lol

Kailua, HI

#15 Oct 17, 2008
dudealohajoe wrote:
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thanks, da girlies tell me that too.
ya but how much do you pay them to say that?
ABM

Des Moines, IA

#16 Oct 17, 2008
ohoh wrote:
So no matter what it costs to build the City will charge $2 per ride. Thats a lot of subsidizing by the taxpayers. And its about six traffic lanes wide? Assuming your average traffic lane is 10 feet wide, thats about 60 feet across. Pretty big if you ask me. Thats about the width of all `Ewa bound lanes in Pearl City near Pearl Country Club. Wow, thats big!
And to think they will build it for 5 billion, that is a whole BS if you ask me. Ann's lanes are not as wide, maybe that accounts for the price difference.
Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#17 Oct 17, 2008
Article in the Hawaii Reporter said:

"Two weeks ago, the United States Congress voted to spend $700 billion in an economic bailout, or $2,300 per American resident. Yet the proposed Oahu rail system will cost each Oahu resident a minimum of $4,110 in construction costs alone—nearly 80% more per person than the bailout!” "

Put in that perspective, Mufster's rail really does look way too expensive, no? Added together with the bailout costs, it's just terrifying.
ABM

Des Moines, IA

#18 Oct 17, 2008
Reality Check wrote:
Oh poor poor me I didn't get my question answered, I going hate you now. What kind of idiot makes decisions based on the amount of attention they get. Anyone who opposes rail is just plain old stupid. Does that **** you off? That's because you know it's true.
Calling it an informational meeting was just wrong. To be helpful both sides should have been presented, not just what they wanted people to know. They would have been better off running a video tape
PRINCE OF WAIKIKI

Waipahu, HI

#19 Oct 17, 2008
Pikake wrote:
I don't know why people are only now finding out that any of city administration presentations on the rail is a one-sided view of their facts. It has never been and will never be an objective presentation of rail - it will always be only the merits (or propaganda) of steel-on-steel - the administration's preferred technology.
And as previous presentations in the community, no discussion or questions will be allowed on anything except this preferred technology. The public is only spoon fed what the administration wants them to know. You are not going to hear anything negative about the project or any downside of it. It is not a pro and con discussion. They will continue to brainwash us into thinking that steel-on-steel is the best way to go as long as there is some dissent out there.
At last so many people are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, the powers that be have spent 100 million on a Honolulu LU LU Rail. So you want the train vote for MUFI, if you don't use your head.
s dogood

Kahului, HI

#20 Oct 17, 2008
Six Lanes wide??? That could carry a LOT of cars and Buses....and a lot more passengers than rail. What's up with that????
A Fish Out of H2O

AOL

#21 Oct 17, 2008
Vote Mufi out of office!!!!!!!!
give me a break

Kaneohe, HI

#22 Oct 17, 2008
ITS ABOUT TIME THE PEOPLE CATCH ON "THAT THE MUFSTER IS JUST TRYING TO PAD HIS RESUME TO RUN FOR(?)"... FOR WHATEVER JOB IS OPEN FOR "HIS UPWARD MOBILITY" IN THE FUTURE.......

I SAY TO THE MUFSTER "YOU CAN FOOL SOME OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME BUT, YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME"....GET IT??????

THIS RAIL AND ALL IT WILL DO (FOR THE CITY) IS JUST "SHIBAI"......WAKE UP UNIONS, YOU SHOULD REALLY CHECK OUT THE FACTS AND REALIZE IT IS ONLY SMOKE AND MIRRORS!!!!! YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES WILL PAY DEARLY FOR THOSE SUPPOSED JOBS THE MUFSTER IS PROMISING.......

Still from Kaneohe...
prorail

Wahiawa, HI

#23 Oct 17, 2008
SRN plants were rude, boisterous and tried to intimidate the speakers, spread lies, and take over the meeting. Those who were there to really learn about the rail system as proposed by the city were denied due to these jerks, about 3 or 4 of them. This was the city's forum, not their, so they had no right to come and disrupt the meeting.
Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#24 Oct 17, 2008
prorail wrote:
SRN plants were rude, boisterous and tried to intimidate the speakers, spread lies, and take over the meeting. Those who were there to really learn about the rail system as proposed by the city were denied due to these jerks, about 3 or 4 of them. This was the city's forum, not their, so they had no right to come and disrupt the meeting.
There were only 3 or 4 people and the meeting was disrupted? What are you guys- a bunch of panties?
You guys must have followed the Superferry theory of rules of order: retreat at the first sign of resistance. Sheesh.

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