Deadly crash brings calls for caution - Hawaii News

There are 161 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Dec 21, 2009, titled Deadly crash brings calls for caution - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Vehicles continued to speed -- easily at 50-plus mph -- on Halawa Heights Road yesterday past the scene of a motorcycle accident that killed 23-year-old Jonathan Pons and critically injured a 13-year-old boy.

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Common Sense

Kapaa, HI

#166 Dec 27, 2009
pauoagirl wrote:
first of all..it ain't easy to say cuz it has happened to me. so i can speak from experience. so i wouldn't jus jump to conclusions if i was you. i know how it is to lose a loved one. i have lost a loved one. a half sister to a DRUNK DRIVER! she was only 16! but i never wished da guy who killed her would die or anything like that. What good would that bring? it wouldn't bring my sister back!
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By the way.. good try changing your story. Before it was "IF" I lost someone. now it's "I DID". Interesting.
Slow Down

Kaneohe, HI

#167 Dec 27, 2009
Why don't they use videocams on roads that have speeding problems? They don't have to impose a fine -- just send a warning and keep the video on file for future reference. I bet many of the speeders are not first offenders.
get real

Aiea, HI

#168 Dec 27, 2009
Slow Down wrote:
Why don't they use videocams on roads that have speeding problems? They don't have to impose a fine -- just send a warning and keep the video on file for future reference. I bet many of the speeders are not first offenders.
Nah, too expensive....and for what? A warning!?!?? Hah! That should curb speeders from speeding!

get real
Common Sense

United States

#169 Dec 27, 2009
Slow Down wrote:
Why don't they use videocams on roads that have speeding problems? They don't have to impose a fine -- just send a warning and keep the video on file for future reference. I bet many of the speeders are not first offenders.
Warnings don't work for stupid people (and that's really what these idiots are). They should increase fines more or even better... ACTUALLY ENFORCE THE LAWS WE HAVE NOW. Anyone doing more than 20 (forgive me for not knowing the exact amount) over the speed limit or over 80 period can be arrested on the spot. Do more of those and you'll see a lot less speeders.

Confiscation of cars would be good but HPD says they. Have no where to store them. Screw it! Take them and scrap them...espcially if it's racers. Those cars are usually illegaly modded anyways.
itz me

Honolulu, HI

#170 Dec 27, 2009
reading all these nasty comments about the motorcyclist really irks the crap out of me...because the news pretty much makes it seem like its the motorcyclist fault because it was speeding...thats all people go by...take a look at it from the other side...inexperienced driver at the wheel...stop sign...possibility it did a "california stop"? possibility she did not look both ways before proceeding? and what is up with 4 children in the back...not enough seat belts for all of them...
dude...my kid with a permit would definetly not be driving around with kids in the car ESPECIALLY if theres not enough seat belts...nor would my kid be driving with anybody other than me...
so with all that said...EVERYBODY in this tragic accident is in my prayers...
pauoagirl

Hilo, HI

#171 Dec 28, 2009
Common Sense wrote:
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By the way.. good try changing your story. Before it was "IF" I lost someone. now it's "I DID". Interesting.
wow. you really are something. i didn't want to have to bring up my sis but obviously i had no choice. u made it seem like i didn't understand. but i do. you got your s**t all twisted!
Common Sense

United States

#172 Dec 28, 2009
pauoagirl wrote:
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wow. you really are something. i didn't want to have to bring up my sis but obviously i had no choice. u made it seem like i didn't understand. but i do. you got your s**t all twisted!
Good backpedaling. Nice try again..
Common Sense

United States

#173 Dec 28, 2009
itz me wrote:
reading all these nasty comments about the motorcyclist really irks the crap out of me...because the news pretty much makes it seem like its the motorcyclist fault because it was speeding...thats all people go by...take a look at it from the other side...inexperienced driver at the wheel...stop sign...possibility it did a "california stop"? possibility she did not look both ways before proceeding? and what is up with 4 children in the back...not enough seat belts for all of them...
dude...my kid with a permit would definetly not be driving around with kids in the car ESPECIALLY if theres not enough seat belts...nor would my kid be driving with anybody other than me...
so with all that said...EVERYBODY in this tragic accident is in my prayers...
Or maybe the fact that the motorcyclist was speeding, AND SWERVED INTO THE LANE FOR OPPOSITE TRAFFIC? Or did that little tidbit escape you. He was an idiot for driving the way he did. That girl did nothing wrong. She was already out of his way when HE SWERVED INTO. HER! Read the article thoroughly before making dumb comments...
Common Sense

United States

#174 Dec 28, 2009
pauoagirl wrote:
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wow. you really are something. i didn't want to have to bring up my sis but obviously i had no choice. u made it seem like i didn't understand. but i do. you got your s**t all twisted!
If my sister got killed by a drunk driver, racer, speeder, or otherwise, I wouldn't wish them well. I would want his head on a platter, or better, give him a rope with which he could hang himself out of shame.

By the way. Still glad the guy is dead...
pauoagirl

Hilo, HI

#175 Dec 28, 2009
Common Sense wrote:
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If my sister got killed by a drunk driver, racer, speeder, or otherwise, I wouldn't wish them well. I would want his head on a platter, or better, give him a rope with which he could hang himself out of shame.
By the way. Still glad the guy is dead...
it's not like i wish da guy well. i don't believe in wishing people would die or stuff like that.
get real

Honolulu, HI

#176 Dec 28, 2009
itz me wrote:
reading all these nasty comments about the motorcyclist really irks the crap out of me...because the news pretty much makes it seem like its the motorcyclist fault because it was speeding...thats all people go by...take a look at it from the other side...inexperienced driver at the wheel...stop sign...possibility it did a "california stop"? possibility she did not look both ways before proceeding? and what is up with 4 children in the back...not enough seat belts for all of them...
dude...my kid with a permit would definetly not be driving around with kids in the car ESPECIALLY if theres not enough seat belts...nor would my kid be driving with anybody other than me...
so with all that said...EVERYBODY in this tragic accident is in my prayers...
Go read the story again and the estimation of the M/C's speed in this case. If you still can't see that the M/C rider was at fault in this collision, then you are either dumb, or just plain ignorant. Your choice, which would you rather be.

get real
Slow Down

Kaneohe, HI

#177 Dec 29, 2009
get real wrote:
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Nah, too expensive....and for what? A warning!?!?? Hah! That should curb speeders from speeding! get real
You say the idea of videocams in speed areas is too expensive. Your idea is more law enforcement. That would require hiring more officers. Salaries, benefits, overtime -- how much do they cost? Videocams are one time purchases.
Slow Down

Kaneohe, HI

#178 Dec 29, 2009
Common Sense wrote:
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Warnings don't work for stupid people (and that's really what these idiots are). They should increase fines more or even better... ACTUALLY ENFORCE THE LAWS WE HAVE NOW. Anyone doing more than 20 (forgive me for not knowing the exact amount) over the speed limit or over 80 period can be arrested on the spot. Do more of those and you'll see a lot less speeders. Confiscation of cars would be good but HPD says they. Have no where to store them. Screw it! Take them and scrap them...espcially if it's racers. Those cars are usually illegaly modded anyways.
You can call them anything you want, but speeders don't like expensive fines.
When traffic cams went up on the Pali, people hated them and booted them out -- but man, they were effective.
Stumpy

Kaneohe, HI

#179 Dec 29, 2009
If modern vehicles were involved, the on-board computers could tell exactly what speed the vehicles were going at the exactmoment of impact. The truth is, no-one really cares to check.
get real

Honolulu, HI

#180 Dec 29, 2009
Slow Down wrote:
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You say the idea of videocams in speed areas is too expensive. Your idea is more law enforcement. That would require hiring more officers. Salaries, benefits, overtime -- how much do they cost? Videocams are one time purchases.
I am all for slowing down drivers and think we are on the same team here, but to give a warning, instead of significant fines and / or confiscation of their vehicles - or something other than what would be in essense, a "slap on the wrist", is something that I would jockey for.

The van cams of the past were very effective, but there were some major issues that were not completely addressed (constitutionality, private enterprise in collecting fees from each tag given,...) that ultimately got them booted out. It was a scam introduced by that crook of a representative from Waipahu - Roy Sakamoto - who was probably getting kickbacks from the van cam company he pushed to get the contract for that short period. Business as usual in the Nei. Unreal!!

Since: Jan 08

Wailuku, HI

#181 Dec 29, 2009
Stumpy wrote:
If modern vehicles were involved, the on-board computers could tell exactly what speed the vehicles were going at the exactmoment of impact. The truth is, no-one really cares to check.
Not all vehicle manufacturers allow for the retrieval of crash data. The truth is, the data is downloaded in cases of serious crashes by some police departments, including in Hawaii.

Some of the information you can extract includes speed, engine RPM, seatbelt use or nonuse, and braking. I am not aware of any Event Data Recorders on motorcycles, since they were initially installed to improve airbag performance.

The data extracted comes very close to speed estimates by police reconstructionists using traditional methods.
Stumpy

Kaneohe, HI

#182 Dec 29, 2009
get real wrote:
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I am all for slowing down drivers and think we are on the same team here, but to give a warning, instead of significant fines and / or confiscation of their vehicles - or something other than what would be in essense, a "slap on the wrist", is something that I would jockey for.
The van cams of the past were very effective, but there were some major issues that were not completely addressed (constitutionality, private enterprise in collecting fees from each tag given,...) that ultimately got them booted out. It was a scam introduced by that crook of a representative from Waipahu - Roy Sakamoto - who was probably getting kickbacks from the van cam company he pushed to get the contract for that short period. Business as usual in the Nei. Unreal!!
Willy espero too. I asked to see a list of the people that invested in the van-scam vans, because there was word that a few polititians were involved before they were even delivered. The investigation revealed that there was no investigation, and then the vans were stopped so nothing was ever done. But, connected people were really grumbling about their loss of revenue from the vans, and Willy led the charge to bring them back.
Slow Down

Kaneohe, HI

#183 Dec 30, 2009
get real wrote:
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I am all for slowing down drivers and think we are on the same team here, but to give a warning, instead of significant fines and / or confiscation of their vehicles - or something other than what would be in essense, a "slap on the wrist", is something that I would jockey for.
The van cams of the past were very effective, but there were some major issues that were not completely addressed (constitutionality, private enterprise in collecting fees from each tag given,...) that ultimately got them booted out. It was a scam introduced by that crook of a representative from Waipahu - Roy Sakamoto - who was probably getting kickbacks from the van cam company he pushed to get the contract for that short period. Business as usual in the Nei. Unreal!!
I would go for a warning the first time, for people who are first time offenders, and who aren't going unreasonably fast. The reason people despised van cam sweeps was that they were merciless. Like giant speed traps. Sometimes nine miles over the speed limit meant a ticket in the mail.
It was an excellent way to get traffic to slow down in chronic speeding zones though. Pali Highway has been safer ever since.
We need Highway cams in dangerous areas, with a bit more mercy except for the worst cases.
Stumpy

Kaneohe, HI

#184 Dec 31, 2009
Slow Down wrote:
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We need Highway cams in dangerous areas, with a bit more mercy except for the worst cases.
reasonable speed limits would help too. Speed limits from the fifties with today's cars? For example, Ft. Weaver road. The speed limit is set artificially low, and this morning cops were using lasers to catch people speeding. I imagine they did well, because people aren't going to crawl down an open, wide stretch.
disappointed

United States

#185 Jan 22, 2010
Shame on all of you who are speaking ill..

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