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Church defends bid to build homes in Malaekahana - Hawaii News

There are 249 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Jul 30, 2009, titled Church defends bid to build homes in Malaekahana - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

The property manager for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints says its proposed development on the North Shore is necessary to sustain the financial viability of its Brigham Young University-Hawaii campus in Laie.

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Laie Born

Dallas, TX

#1 Jul 30, 2009
There's a great need for local jobs on the North Shore -- but how on earth do they expect to accomodate the large increase in traffic? It's impossible already.
Kailua Ex-Pat

United States

#2 Jul 30, 2009
Hey the way the mormons are, they don't go outside their community. Once they get up there, you'd never know they were there. As far as putting another lane or two on the Kam Hwy in Laie, that'd be a good thing for everyone--maybe it'd get the Mayor busy with the rest of the road! Let's see--affordable housing, more jobs, increased educational opportunities--yeah, I can see why we ought to fight this! LOL!
Mike-Mililani

Alexandria, VA

#3 Jul 30, 2009
Kam Hwy can't handle current traffic on the North Shore. No way it can deal with this expansion. If this is approved then the developers need to pay for improvements to Kam Hwy. That needs to be done prior to development otherwise the developer will never do it.
Look at the fights the City/County has had with Mililani Town over the years over congestion.
Hauula Diver

Alameda, CA

#4 Jul 30, 2009
I say NO. The affordable housing would be for their own faculty. The jobs would primarily be for them. All we would get is more congestion and another store closed on Sunday! You say widen Kam Highway? You gonna tear down people's houses? I chose Hauula to be in the country. For the relative quiet. 1200 homes will be 5000 people, unless each home is like the nice Mormon family across the way from me. Then it would be 12,000 people!
Laie Born

Dallas, TX

#5 Jul 30, 2009
Now I get it. Nobody wants rail in town -- they'll build it from Kapolei to the North Shore and Laie instead!
ohana

AOL

#6 Jul 30, 2009
How they get the land in the first place? The King give it to them or did they just steal it?
Know your History

Elmhurst, IL

#7 Jul 30, 2009
Ohana,

Steal it? You know what... I am not going to give you the answer, why don't you look it up and then we can dissucss further on it...
No to BYUH

Aiea, HI

#8 Jul 30, 2009
The LDS church does things that only benefits itself and its members. The community at large will pay but only they will benefit. NO, no, no to Hawaii Reserves.
Flexo

Kula, HI

#9 Jul 30, 2009
Too much density for the proposed housing area. Definitely should not opening up the can of worms of putting a hotel in the neighborhood.
The church didn't mention traffic but I'm sure it will be addressed. The problem is that any traffic problem they create won't just be in the area surrounding BYUH, PCC and the proposed housing area. Even if the church were to pay for road improvements in those areas, it is still a 2 lane highway that carries traffic in/out of the area, from either direction.
Flexo

Kula, HI

#10 Jul 30, 2009
Junior Primacio also favors the expansion of Turtle Bay. Imagine if both the Mormon Church expansion happens along with the Turtle Bay expansion. What a traffic nightmare. Our city leaders are setting on their hands with the Turtle Bay problem so don't hold your breath in hopes of any reasonableness with the BYUH expansion.

Since: Jun 09

Waipahu, HI

#12 Jul 30, 2009
The people on the Windward side believe they live in Shangri-la---that they can have their piece of paradise in keeping the "country country". They do this at the expense of the rest of Oahu with the landfill elsewhere, the "train" elsewhere, affordable housing elsewhere,
hotels elsewhere, four lane highways elsewhere, job creation and sustainability elswhere. When are they going to share some of the burden of the high price of paradise on Oahu?
If they are sincere in keeping the Windward side their own little piece of paradise, then perhaps we should have a paradise zoning so that they pay higher land taxes for just such a privilege.

If the LDS church is going to put up 80% affordable housing, we should let them. God knows, this island needs it no matter where it is built or no matter who builds it. As a large landownner on the Windward side, I would think this is admirable.
Ken

Keaau, HI

#13 Jul 30, 2009
The Mormons are Socialists!

Da Big Guy likes big houses, so they bettah build em sumo size. Say, why not build one REALLY big house and they all can live there!

Socialists!...Churchill!...**S **
dump

United States

#15 Jul 30, 2009
waianaeguy wrote:
The people on the Windward side believe they live in Shangri-la---that they can have their piece of paradise in keeping the "country country". They do this at the expense of the rest of Oahu with the landfill elsewhere, the "train" elsewhere, affordable housing elsewhere,
hotels elsewhere, four lane highways elsewhere, job creation and sustainability elswhere. When are they going to share some of the burden of the high price of paradise on Oahu?
If they are sincere in keeping the Windward side their own little piece of paradise, then perhaps we should have a paradise zoning so that they pay higher land taxes for just such a privilege.
If the LDS church is going to put up 80% affordable housing, we should let them. God knows, this island needs it no matter where it is built or no matter who builds it. As a large landownner on the Windward side, I would think this is admirable.
The windward side had a land fill way before waianae side . Sounds like envy
KoolauloaGuy

Honolulu, HI

#16 Jul 30, 2009
waianaeguy wrote:
If the LDS church is going to put up 80% affordable housing, we should let them. God knows, this island needs it no matter where it is built or no matter who builds it. As a large landownner on the Windward side, I would think this is admirable.
But the houses will only be for Mormons or folks associated with LDFS, BYUH, or PCC. There's some kind of fantasy that if they build these houses only people from the area would live there. Not only is it illegal to discriminate like that, there's just no discussion of the population increase.

Development need to be driven by economics. People here can't afford houses because there only service jobs in this area. How come BYUH isn't teaching entrepreneurship and empowering people to create their own businesses? How come most of the 'employees' at PCC are Mormon students and not locals? LDFS talks about jobs, but there's none in this development proposal.
close HTA

Honolulu, HI

#17 Jul 30, 2009
Is this ag or preservation land? I cant imagine its zoned for urban out there. Cant keep paving over like this. Why not house them in any of the already built urban areas? there is plenty of available land that doesnt require ruining the counryside.

there is no infrastructure out in Malaekahana so it would be very costly to build there.
kls

Kailua, HI

#18 Jul 30, 2009
just imagine, a full community of people that don't drink, abuse drugs, go to church, live clean, don't smoke and litter their butts all over, don't have pit bulls chained everywhere, don't have trash all over their yards and at least 3-4 rusted cars and they take care of their own without asking for a refill on their ebt cards
sounds pretty good to me but it sure doesn't sound hawaiian
close HTA

Honolulu, HI

#19 Jul 30, 2009
Use your brains Mormons -if adding 4,000 more students in a rural area and building over pasture land is the only way your leaders says you can be "sustainable" you need to fire him and get someone that can adequately lead.

This is the dumbest plan I ever heard.
junior

Honolulu, HI

#20 Jul 30, 2009
keep da country country
zoe

Honolulu, HI

#21 Jul 30, 2009
If you have hundreds of millions as stated in the article then how can you not be financially sustainable? Which is it?

If the Mormons get a 10% tithe from each member where is all the money? Sounds like Hawaii Reserves is trying to pull a shady development move with the crocodile tears of no mo money! Mormons are great people but these property managers sound terrible.
Me RC

Rexburg, ID

#22 Jul 30, 2009
The religious bigotry in some of these posts sure doesn't sound Hawaiian to me.

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