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Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editorials

There are 36 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Jul 29, 2009, titled Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editorials. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

How do we create a healthy economy if we have an unhealthy population? Everyone seems to agree that there needs to be health care reform, so just do it! Why is Congress allowed to go on a four-week vacation now? I am a 2.6-year breast cancer survivor.

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Nobama

Honolulu, HI

#21 Jul 29, 2009
willie wrote:
Jim Doyle - you like the French solution so much move there and leave our system alone, it WORKS for over 85% of the population.
If you want to bone up on long waits, do some research into the MA mandatory insurance plan. The average wait in the USA to see a specialist is 10 days...in MA it is 54, highest by far of all states. That is NOT Republican spin, it is a fact.
By the by, the USA has GREAT care and EVERYONE can get it even those without insurance and not even a citizen. Watch as it goes in the toilet when Uncle Sam takes over and dictates what will be paid for what...the brightest and best doctors will NOT accept the government insurance, they don't want to lose money every time the see a patient or do a proceedure.
That IS the Dems agenda ! To pull the US into the toilet ! It won't happen because of the Mother of all backlashes against ODUMBA and his Commie cohorts in the VERY near future ;)
Union Mafia

Honolulu, HI

#22 Jul 29, 2009
Hawaii 96782 wrote:
How come the Union is not supporting it's members? Perhaps they should be supportive of the furloughs and supplement the lost wages with union money. All they can think of is "raise taxes" and 'we'll see you in court."
Right on Bruddah !

Perreira makes 25K more than Lingle.=Iis HE going to take a cut ;) Low seniority workers should stop paying Union dues until he comes into line !
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#23 Jul 29, 2009
Nobama wrote:
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That IS the Dems agenda ! To pull the US into the toilet ! It won't happen because of the Mother of all backlashes against ODUMBA and his Commie cohorts in the VERY near future ;)
lol! The US wasn't already in the toilet when Obama took office.
ibsimple

Paauilo, HI

#24 Jul 29, 2009
With all the out of state conservative bloggers commenting on a Hawaii paper, seems the Conservative groups are running a "Boiler Room" operation of bloggers to make it seem that they really care about Hawaii. Propaganda and mis-information at its finest.(Joseph Goebbles would be proud)
wendell

Milpitas, CA

#25 Jul 29, 2009
CMK wrote:
I think access to good health care should be a right in, supposedly, the richest nation in the world (maybe I should qualify that with "a right for human beings"). There should be no argument there, right?

Having said that I pay way too much for HMSA and Kaiser (I don't know if double coverage is allowed or not, I've been told both yes and no), but it's because I am willing and able to pay and I like the freedom to choose my care provider (my daughter and wife use Kaiser and my wife, son and I use HMSA. Castle Hospital is private and we have paid full amount there for some services not covered by HMSA or Kaiser.

The point is that my willingness and ability to pay for coverage should not be used to deny health care to someone unable to afford the coverage. Being a student, poor, unemployed, homeless or otherwise unable to afford coverage is not a crime, though, being a convicted criminal qualifies you for government health care.
Seems like overkill to have both HMSA and Kaiser, but you must have your own personal reasons.

The reason why HMSA and Kaiser premiums are high, or I should clarify, and say, higher than needed, is because you're paying for the cost shifting from losses on Medicare, Medicaid, other government plans, and uncompensated care.

All of the government plans, by fiat or law, pays the provider less than their actual cost of providing the services. Say Castle incurs actual costs, not their standard rates, for a Medicare patient amounting to $50,000. Medicare, by their DRG formulary payment scheme, pays $40,000 resulting in an actual cash loss of $10,000. The loss is shifted to the HMSA patient in the form of higher rates. This, in turn, is reflected in the premiums charged by HMSA.

Castle has to do this to stay in business. Same for other providers, including docs.

Actually the example is simplified. There are always complicating factors. No patient is the same. Individuals are different: genetics, age, gender, medical and physical conditions.

Two patients having by-pass surgery will generate or incur different costs based on the tests and procedures ordered, depending on their individual medical conditions. One may have diabetes, and the other high blood pressure. Both may react differently to medications.

And guess what? Medicare still pays the basic $40,000, with some adjustments for secondary diagnoses. But the adjustments normally are not enough to allow the coverage of costs. It's a "one size fits all" approach.

Is it fair? I'd say not if they pay below cost. Then other parties unknowingly have to bear the extra burden. It's like a stealth tax.
informed

Tucson, AZ

#26 Jul 29, 2009
Ben wrote:
The real issue is, if you haven't read the bill, then you shouldn't really comment.
I am plowing through it and it is very scary.
What the WH is telling you on TV and what is actually in the bill, is NOT the same. Thus the reason to rush it through.
If you want to continually follow blindly, then you will love
Page 30, where the Government (FHB) will makes the decisions on what treatment you will or will not receive.
Page 167 where 2.5% fine for those without insurance.
Page 42, Where they will choose your benefits
Page 58 and 59 Where the Gov't will have direct access to an individuals financial accounts. And your finanaces.
Page 127, The gov't will tell the Drs. what they can make.
It tells Drs. what they can own.
There will be no more Dr./patient confidentially
100's will have access to your records
Your Dr. will use the ability to decide what service you need.
If you are senior, you should be very scared.
Your services will be down to the bare minimum.
You will be counseled on euthanasia and end of life treatment pertaining to pain meds only.
They keep telling you that is is the Republicans holding this bill back, another lie.
The Democrats hold all the cards and the majority.
They need no Republicans to vote at all.
They just need someone to blame it all on, when it goes south.
When Alan said it was a lie that people are coming to the States for treatment. They are coming here in masses.
There was a gentleman on TV the other day from the British Parliment, who said, that NHC is not good and very hard to retract once in place.
It is selective treatment and young peole are dying in England. A 22 year old man died because he didn't get a liver transplant because he didn't fit their criteria. A woman from Canada said she would be dead because she had a brain tumor and Canada told her it would be 6 months before she got an appointment.
Drs. are leaving the AMA because of the support.
The life expectancy in Canada has now fallen 16%.
Yes, this sounds like progress.
We all need to call our Congressman and demand they read it through before voting.
Please read the bill yourself and see the lies for what they are. And then ask yourself why the Pres and his Congress will NOT be using this program.
BARACK OBAMA:..."When you rush these budgets that are a foot high and nobody has any idea what's in them and nobody has read them."

A qoute from Barrack Obama in an interview with Randi Rhodes...November 22, 2004.

You can find the ENTIRE radio interview at youtube titled: "Shocking Hypocrisy audio found Obama didn't like it when Bush rushed through legislation"...classic!
informed

Tucson, AZ

#27 Jul 29, 2009
ibsimple wrote:
With all the out of state conservative bloggers commenting on a Hawaii paper, seems the Conservative groups are running a "Boiler Room" operation of bloggers to make it seem that they really care about Hawaii. Propaganda and mis-information at its finest.(Joseph Goebbles would be proud)
It is still our home away from home...some are temporarily outta state due to military service....and another thing...ISP can be decieving due to who you're hooked up with.
steve

Newbury Park, CA

#28 Jul 29, 2009
Blah, blah, blah! Anyone who thinks our medical-health network needs 'reform' needs help. No where on the planet does the medical world shine as it does in the USA. At least for now. When Obama and the Demos get through shoving their 'reform' down our throats, we'll be lucky if we can find a doctor who's a high school graduate and knows the difference between a runny nose and broken neck.
wendell

Honolulu, HI

#29 Jul 29, 2009
steve wrote:
Blah, blah, blah! Anyone who thinks our medical-health network needs 'reform' needs help. No where on the planet does the medical world shine as it does in the USA. At least for now. When Obama and the Demos get through shoving their 'reform' down our throats, we'll be lucky if we can find a doctor who's a high school graduate and knows the difference between a runny nose and broken neck.
even more bad private workers
Hawaiian Republican

Allentown, PA

#30 Jul 29, 2009
informed wrote:
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BARACK OBAMA:..."When you rush these budgets that are a foot high and nobody has any idea what's in them and nobody has read them."
A qoute from Barrack Obama in an interview with Randi Rhodes...November 22, 2004.
You can find the ENTIRE radio interview at youtube titled: "Shocking Hypocrisy audio found Obama didn't like it when Bush rushed through legislation"...classic!
Informed, you left off an important part of that quote from Barack Obama. He continued:

"Uh, and it gets rushed through without any clear deliberation or debate, uh, then these kinds of things happen, and I think that this is -- is in some ways what happened to the Patriot Act. I mean, you remember there was no real debate about that, it was so qui -- uh, quick after 9/11 that it was introduced -- that people felt very intimidated by the administration."

What a difference 5 years makes. Obama shoved his "stimulus" package through Congress and now wants to shove his health care plan through Congress. I do have appreciation for those 52 Blue Dog Democrats who are trying to put some brakes on this and open it up for some real debate.

Meanwhile, the DNC continues to bash Republicans for holding up health care reform. Nevermind there is division in their own party and the Democrats control enough of Congress to pass the legislation without a single Republican vote. It's an upside-down world we live in now, to be sure.
Ben

AOL

#31 Jul 29, 2009
informed wrote:
<quoted text>
BARACK OBAMA:..."When you rush these budgets that are a foot high and nobody has any idea what's in them and nobody has read them."
A qoute from Barrack Obama in an interview with Randi Rhodes...November 22, 2004.
You can find the ENTIRE radio interview at youtube titled: "Shocking Hypocrisy audio found Obama didn't like it when Bush rushed through legislation"...classic!
You are absolutely correct.

What really bothers me is, this is suppose to be health care for the uncovered.
Please, if it doesn't have to do with total control,
Why in the heck is there a need to bother the people that do have it and are completly happy with there coverage? There is absolutely no reason to stick their noses into covered people's lives.

They have gave me no good reason why they want to spend all that money on people already covered.
eula46

AOL

#32 Jul 29, 2009
steve wrote:
Blah, blah, blah! Anyone who thinks our medical-health network needs 'reform' needs help. No where on the planet does the medical world shine as it does in the USA. At least for now. When Obama and the Demos get through shoving their 'reform' down our throats, we'll be lucky if we can find a doctor who's a high school graduate and knows the difference between a runny nose and broken neck.
Oh Steve, are you really that ignorant?
Why don't you try educating yourself about the reality of health care in this country? My daughter is a nurse, the stories she tells me about the incompetent care being given to patients are unbelieveable! Examples; a Dr. who took a Gtube from toxic waste bag, cleaned it off with alcohol and inserted it back into the patient!!!!!! A doctor who was trying to discharge a patient with a fractured ankle that he wasn't even aware of!!!! A Dr. who had to be ordered by the nurse to come in because his patient was hemmhoraging....he thought it was nothing! And the nurses are even no better, if that's possible. My daughter has written up these kinds of things more than once. My, my, but you have been living with your head in the sand.
I worked in a hospital and witnessed case after case of lousy care,a nurse who threatened to shove food down an elderly patient's throat because they weren't eating, nurses who double charged patients on Medicaid/Medicare. my mother's family Dr. earned $100 each time he came in and signed her chart AND HE WASN'T EVEN TREATING HER CANCER!!! The day she died, he got $150!!! Who's abusing the system?
My mother had a biopsy to verify her liver cancer and it came back NEGATIVE even though you could see the mass on the Xray!!!!
I visited my sister in the hospital, found her panting for breath, asked if the nurses knew, she said they had been in there and checked her right before I came in...I informed the nurse again...afterwards the doctor was called and my sister ended up in ICU because her lungs were filling with fluid! And just last month, my 39yr old niece went to the ER because she was having chest pains and difficulty breathing. They sent her home, said she had some fluid in her lungs and she was FOUND DEAD two days later!!!!!
Autopsy said it was congestive hear failure and she had NO HISTORY OF HEART PROBLEMS!!!

So tell me more about our excellent health care!

My Dr. has fought with my insurance company over and over because they would not authorize the amount of meds he had prescribed, generic or othewise. I would have had to wait almost 2 weeks before they would authorize the rest of the meds.

Yep, we sure got it good?
informed

Tucson, AZ

#33 Jul 29, 2009
Hawaiian Republican wrote:
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Informed, you left off an important part of that quote from Barack Obama. He continued:
"Uh, and it gets rushed through without any clear deliberation or debate, uh, then these kinds of things happen, and I think that this is -- is in some ways what happened to the Patriot Act. I mean, you remember there was no real debate about that, it was so qui -- uh, quick after 9/11 that it was introduced -- that people felt very intimidated by the administration."
What a difference 5 years makes. Obama shoved his "stimulus" package through Congress and now wants to shove his health care plan through Congress. I do have appreciation for those 52 Blue Dog Democrats who are trying to put some brakes on this and open it up for some real debate.
Meanwhile, the DNC continues to bash Republicans for holding up health care reform. Nevermind there is division in their own party and the Democrats control enough of Congress to pass the legislation without a single Republican vote. It's an upside-down world we live in now, to be sure.
Wow, I didn't know that the quote didn't come across fully! Sorry, but yeah, there is a transcript I found. Amazing, huh?! Well, not really!:)
informed

Tucson, AZ

#34 Jul 29, 2009
eula46 wrote:
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Oh Steve, are you really that ignorant?
Why don't you try educating yourself about the reality of health care in this country? My daughter is a nurse, the stories she tells me about the incompetent care being given to patients are unbelieveable! Examples; a Dr. who took a Gtube from toxic waste bag, cleaned it off with alcohol and inserted it back into the patient!!!!!! A doctor who was trying to discharge a patient with a fractured ankle that he wasn't even aware of!!!! A Dr. who had to be ordered by the nurse to come in because his patient was hemmhoraging....he thought it was nothing! And the nurses are even no better, if that's possible. My daughter has written up these kinds of things more than once. My, my, but you have been living with your head in the sand.
I worked in a hospital and witnessed case after case of lousy care,a nurse who threatened to shove food down an elderly patient's throat because they weren't eating, nurses who double charged patients on Medicaid/Medicare. my mother's family Dr. earned $100 each time he came in and signed her chart AND HE WASN'T EVEN TREATING HER CANCER!!! The day she died, he got $150!!! Who's abusing the system?
My mother had a biopsy to verify her liver cancer and it came back NEGATIVE even though you could see the mass on the Xray!!!!
I visited my sister in the hospital, found her panting for breath, asked if the nurses knew, she said they had been in there and checked her right before I came in...I informed the nurse again...afterwards the doctor was called and my sister ended up in ICU because her lungs were filling with fluid! And just last month, my 39yr old niece went to the ER because she was having chest pains and difficulty breathing. They sent her home, said she had some fluid in her lungs and she was FOUND DEAD two days later!!!!!
Autopsy said it was congestive hear failure and she had NO HISTORY OF HEART PROBLEMS!!!
So tell me more about our excellent health care!
My Dr. has fought with my insurance company over and over because they would not authorize the amount of meds he had prescribed, generic or othewise. I would have had to wait almost 2 weeks before they would authorize the rest of the meds.
Yep, we sure got it good?
That really is unbelievable and I am very sorry for what you have had to go through.

Being in nursing school myself, I personaly have never witnessed nurses or doctors acting in such derelict manners. That sounds like a case for malpractice if what you say transpired. You should seek out our legal system so other patients do not have to go through that. That being said, for the most part, I have yet to come across such mass negligence on so many levels. WHy are they still employed? Has your daughter filed any grievances or followed hospital protocol in reporting such instances she has personally observed?

I will not throw out our healthcare with the tub because of unfortunate instances. We have courts in place to oversee such negligence and dereliction. Not the gov't!! Our gov't cannot even take care of our soldiers at the VA and you want them dictating to you what you can have or cannot? Or if you opt out as a free citizen in a supposed free country, you will be fined when US comes a knocking at tax time? There has to be better solutions than the gov't takeover
da eyeball

Honolulu, HI

#35 Jul 29, 2009
Too bad for the new state workers who will be bumped or layed off. Those at the top have a pillow cushion and bump down those workers and still receive their high pay. It's all greed and those at the top don't care. The union don't care as long as dues are paid. They can continue their kangaroo court meetings and eat richly thanks to the union dues. Secret meetings, exec board meetings, special meetings all come at the expense of union dues. Eat, eat, eat is all they do and get fat and die.
John Witeck

Mililani, HI

#36 Jul 31, 2009
A temporary increase of 1/2 percent in the excise tax would have negligible impact on the private sector, and is a tax paid by people in both the private and public sector. The public sector should be the employer of last resort for laid off private sector employees and not begin laying off its own workers, adding to the competition for jobs and the unemployment rolls.

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