Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editor...

Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editorials

There are 34 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Oct 19, 2009, titled Letters to the Editor - Hawaii Editorials. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

What is our society coming to when one can watch another human being "either shoving or choking her with both hands near the throat area" ... "made the choking or shoving movement five times, then stopped for a total of 30 repetitions" ? How can anyone witness that kind of brutality and never make a 911 call? It is a dangerous world we live in ...

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willie

Plymouth, MI

#1 Oct 19, 2009
"Open hotels to the homeless"

You have to be kidding. There are already shelters they can go to but many do not. Why? because they have RULES.

For some reason I just can not picture say Hilton having homeless people occupying rooms next to visitors.

When the homeless themselves decide to better their lives they will. There are a multitude of paths they can choose besides sleeping on the sidewalks. You can not force them to do anything. The services available to them are set up so they have to make the first step.
satch7

Aiea, HI

#2 Oct 19, 2009
Mr. Cannel should set an example and allow one or two of these homeless orphans sleep in his domicile than lets see what his attitude would be toward these homeless. I am tired of these liberals that make suggestions as long as it does not affect them. Personally, I would like to round up all these homeless and ship them to Kahoolawe or some island and let them make do for themselves. Sick of these bleeding liberals always making recommendations etc...for these homeless idiots. Yes, I do expect a multitude of criticism towards me but so be it.
mischal

Kaneohe, HI

#3 Oct 19, 2009
willie wrote:
"Open hotels to the homeless"
You have to be kidding. There are already shelters they can go to but many do not. Why? because they have RULES.
For some reason I just can not picture say Hilton having homeless people occupying rooms next to visitors.
When the homeless themselves decide to better their lives they will. There are a multitude of paths they can choose besides sleeping on the sidewalks. You can not force them to do anything. The services available to them are set up so they have to make the first step.
You`re right. Churches starting locking their doors at night because the homeless were less than sanitary staying there. The city or state would have to take over a hotel and assume all liability. So many homeless have mental problems and/or are drug addicts. So, easier said than done. Some city on the mainland tried to force the homeless off the streets and into shelters, and a homeless woman tried to sue the city for a vilolation of her rights!
mischal

Kaneohe, HI

#4 Oct 19, 2009
Re: what is our society coming to

While I believe in separation of Church and State, outlawing God is another matter. Most Americans believe there is a god; it was a common bond that united the founders of the Constitution. Yet, to appease a minority of atheists, God has been taken out of society. There`s something wrong when a high school football team can`t put their hands together before a game and pray no one gets hurt. Can`t the Ten Commandments be seen as a philosophy of life, rather than a religious symbol? Look at the human rights violations in godless countries like China. Brutal crimes of violence are being committed by kids nowadays. Schools need to start teaching kids about conscience and doing the right thing, along with tolerance for differences. While most religions teach that homosexuality is wrong, our public schools are indoctrinating kindergarteners that it`s fine, through stories like two male penquins can raise a baby together! Aren`t somebody`s rights being violated there? I have no problem with homosexuals, live and let live, but I`d like to have that conversation with my kids when I think the time is ready. The more we move away from believing there is a god, the more chaos and crime we`ll have. We`re already seeing it.
Bob

AOL

#5 Oct 19, 2009
Some of the homeless are homeless because they have chosen to be. They have chosen to get lost in the system, due to drugs,alcohol, illegal activities, running from the law and/or responsibilities. Some have come here from the mainland to get lost.
They could find other places beside right on the beach and right downdown Waikiki to plant their tents.
There have been many orgainzations offering all kinds of help, and they choose not to accept because of the rules. But many do find the food lines and accept the help.
Some have mental problems and we need to find them help.
If someone is temporarily hurting from loss of job, health, house, then we should help them for sure.
But many just don't want to help, they are making a statement.
Some colder cities have chosen to ship their homeless out of town to warmer climates. This happened all the time in San Diego and they found Balboa Park and took over. Chicago was always sending people there on the bus.
We do need to relocate them from the tourist areas. That is a large chunk of this state's income and if the people come here, only to see such sights and be harrassed, they will stop coming.
Many have turned very belligerent and are even frightening the locals on the beaches.
We are all losers in this mess in the long run. We have businesses losing expensive shopping carts, people avoiding places that have the homeless sleeping at their doors, the beaches are becoming an eyesore and it hurts us all in the long run.
Something has to be done.
JayTrennoche

Half Moon Bay, CA

#6 Oct 19, 2009
Many of us feel that every single state worker including Gov. Linda should all take a pay cut equal in percentage and adapt to the new lower income without taking any days off work. This already is happening to private sector business owners and many private workers...it's just a temporary pay cut.

When our taxes fund pay raises to public workers we don't ask them to work more hours. If the job description says 40 hours a week, there you go, just do it.

All economies go up and down throughout history, individuals need to take responsibility for themselves and their families and learn to roll with it. Words like recession and depression, bear/bull, inflation/deflation,and economic up and down swing will be here forever.

None of this equals furlough. All of us must shoulder our share of society's burden and go to work happily.

Jay Trennoche, Kapa'a
Fisherman

Honolulu, HI

#8 Oct 19, 2009
Providing hotel rooms for homeless people is the most ridiculous idea I've heard in a long time!
Do you know how many would move to Hawaii from the mainland, and all over the world, if they heard they can stay in a hotel in Waikiki for free!
Fisherman

Honolulu, HI

#9 Oct 19, 2009
Providing hotel rooms to the homeless is one of the most ridiculous ideas I've heard in a long time! Do you know how many would move to Hawaii from the mainland, and all over the world, to live in a hotel room in Waikiki for free!
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#10 Oct 19, 2009
mischal wrote:
Re: what is our society coming to
While I believe in separation of Church and State, outlawing God is another matter. Most Americans believe there is a god; it was a common bond that united the founders of the Constitution. Yet, to appease a minority of atheists, God has been taken out of society. There`s something wrong when a high school football team can`t put their hands together before a game and pray no one gets hurt. Can`t the Ten Commandments be seen as a philosophy of life, rather than a religious symbol? Look at the human rights violations in godless countries like China. Brutal crimes of violence are being committed by kids nowadays. Schools need to start teaching kids about conscience and doing the right thing, along with tolerance for differences. While most religions teach that homosexuality is wrong, our public schools are indoctrinating kindergarteners that it`s fine, through stories like two male penquins can raise a baby together! Aren`t somebody`s rights being violated there? I have no problem with homosexuals, live and let live, but I`d like to have that conversation with my kids when I think the time is ready. The more we move away from believing there is a god, the more chaos and crime we`ll have. We`re already seeing it.
There are schools that already do that. They do allow the football team to pray. They even have school prayers. They're called parochial schools.

And since when did parents abdicate their responsibilities to bring up and teach their children? So you do have a choice. You simply want the government to pay for what you believe in and no one else.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#11 Oct 19, 2009
It's curious to see up to this point, most on the right are more "sick" about the homeless and the associated costs than they are about a murder on the beach.

Seems money carries more weight since a conscience is "free" of any monetary value.

Interesting.
Fisherman

Honolulu, HI

#12 Oct 19, 2009
Yeah wrote:
It's curious to see up to this point, most on the right are more "sick" about the homeless and the associated costs than they are about a murder on the beach.
Seems money carries more weight since a conscience is "free" of any monetary value.
Interesting.
This new mantra from the right that they are more poor and compassionate is BS.
Fisherman

Honolulu, HI

#13 Oct 19, 2009
mischal wrote:
Re: what is our society coming to
While I believe in separation of Church and State, outlawing God is another matter. Most Americans believe there is a god; it was a common bond that united the founders of the Constitution. Yet, to appease a minority of atheists, God has been taken out of society. There`s something wrong when a high school football team can`t put their hands together before a game and pray no one gets hurt. Can`t the Ten Commandments be seen as a philosophy of life, rather than a religious symbol? Look at the human rights violations in godless countries like China. Brutal crimes of violence are being committed by kids nowadays. Schools need to start teaching kids about conscience and doing the right thing, along with tolerance for differences. While most religions teach that homosexuality is wrong, our public schools are indoctrinating kindergarteners that it`s fine, through stories like two male penquins can raise a baby together! Aren`t somebody`s rights being violated there? I have no problem with homosexuals, live and let live, but I`d like to have that conversation with my kids when I think the time is ready. The more we move away from believing there is a god, the more chaos and crime we`ll have. We`re already seeing it.
"Yet, to appease a minority of atheists, God has been taken out of society." > That is not true on many levels.

"While most religions teach that homosexuality is wrong, our public schools are indoctrinating kindergarteners that it`s fine, through stories like two male penquins can raise a baby together! Aren`t somebody`s rights being violated there?" > Not the penquins.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#14 Oct 19, 2009
Fisherman wrote:
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This new mantra from the right that they are more poor and compassionate is BS.
lol! That's exactly why I had to make a comparison to the murder on the beach. It seems they're all things to all people but when the rubber hits the road, they get politically selective about what they ACTUALLY support.

Even this crying about schools. Those on the right complain about paying for other peoples health care, yet they demand government impose their religion on everyone.

Talk about hypocrites.
How Come asks

Honolulu, HI

#15 Oct 19, 2009
As an interested observer, I don't see the connection to the homeless posts as being to 'the right' or 'the left'. Did I miss something?
Maybe this is not a left-right thing but a practical, economic, concerned citizen thing.
Does anyone have a concrete solution for the homeless problem? I certainly don't.
Shelters have been built, at great cost to the taxpayer, yet many homeless refuse to take advantage of them. Don't we have laws and regulations to handle this? Can keeping children on the beach or in parks be considered child abuse? Remove the children from that environment, maybe the parent(s) will follow. What about trespassing? Instead of jail, force them to spend a couple of nights in a shelter. Maybe they'll learn to see the benefit of having a roof over head.
I, and I'm sure many others, would appreciate it if anyone could come up with a solution that satisfied all concerned.
Maybe some of those social science professors at UH could put their heads together to prove their worth.
alice

United States

#16 Oct 19, 2009
Most UH profs do not research and create new knowledge..most are coasting on their tenure. Not more thna 15% are active, original reserachers.
Hey David

AOL

#17 Oct 19, 2009
How about you do what I did... take in someone homeless or having financial problems and give them a hand until they can get back on their feet.

Thinking that hotels should house the homeless is just flat out absurd. There are shelters for that. The people that refuse to follow shelter rules, want to use drugs, or are mentally ill.... or just plain lazy and refuse to take responsibility for their lives and circumstances are the ones on the sidewalks.

You want to make a difference in someone's life that can use a helping hand? Reach out your own hand and offer to help them.
Broke Dem

Aiea, HI

#18 Oct 19, 2009
Just go down Waikiki and broke thier asses. Bus' up a few homeless and they will learn quick that they ain't wanted here. Or offer them a one-way ticket to some place warm like Mexico.
waimea jim

United States

#19 Oct 19, 2009
Think conservatively, but vote Democrat, that is the mantra of most voters in Hawaii.

We believe in God, but allow the taking of life (abortion).

We voted to allow abortion, yet we don't want gambling.

We don't want women to sell their bodies, but we allow men to sell their souls.

We remove the crosses on Camp Smith and Punchbowl during Easter, yet we have Bhuddist gateways in Moiliili.

The Hawaiian activists say we are desecrating their sacred sites, yet they seldom go to these sacred sites to perform rites (Mauna Kea). If they were that sacred then go to the site like going to Church.

PETA wants everyone to become vegans, but the pet food they feed their animals have animal byproducts in them.

The Nature Conservancy, Sierra Club,
Hawaiian environmentalists, say non native species are killing off native species, yet they allow newer invasive
species to come in without quarantine, and PETA says we are hurting animals if we try to eradicate them.

We want a rail system, yet we don't have the money to build it. If, after they build it, the people who were for it, want the others to ride it.
I akin this to going over the rapids without a life vest or raft with paddles.

HYPOCRACY, the newest state in America!!
waimea jim

United States

#20 Oct 19, 2009
satch7 wrote:
Mr. Cannel should set an example and allow one or two of these homeless orphans sleep in his domicile than lets see what his attitude would be toward these homeless. I am tired of these liberals that make suggestions as long as it does not affect them. Personally, I would like to round up all these homeless and ship them to Kahoolawe or some island and let them make do for themselves. Sick of these bleeding liberals always making recommendations etc...for these homeless idiots. Yes, I do expect a multitude of criticism towards me but so be it.
No can do, no trash cans on Kahoolawe for them to find their next meal. Also, no shopping carts to put all their possesions.
Frequent Visitor

Honolulu, HI

#21 Oct 19, 2009
Fisherman wrote:
Providing hotel rooms to the homeless is one of the most ridiculous ideas I've heard in a long time! Do you know how many would move to Hawaii from the mainland, and all over the world, to live in a hotel room in Waikiki for free!
You're absolutely right! It is more economical for cities on the mainland to export their mentally-challenged individuals to Hawaii.

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