Developer plans 12,000 homes on 'the best ag land' on Oahu - Ha...

There are 20 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Aug 12, 2009, titled Developer plans 12,000 homes on 'the best ag land' on Oahu - Ha.... In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

A proposal for building 12,000 homes on what is described as the best agricultural land on Oahu goes back before the state Land Use Commission tomorrow.

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OMGWTF

Honolulu, HI

#245 Aug 14, 2009
you watchdogs out there: becareful how developers work this out to have things their way. if they don't get the rezoning, most likely, they will do this one small piece at a time so that impact won't be so great at once.
waimea jim

United States

#246 Aug 14, 2009
Spirited wrote:
Go ahead, destroy the best agricultural land in Oahu, let money prevail over common sense. The mere fact that there are people proposing that this insane project goes through proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that paving over perfectly good and needed agricultural land seems to be the rule around these parts. Keep it up, make sure Oahu imports EVERYTHING once and for all. Make sure there is no land left to grow food. Surely humans will develop the ability to eat concrete, right? Most people who live here cannot even afford to buy a home. New homes for whom exactly? Go ahead, carry on with your senseless destruction. And then wonder where you went wrong as human beings.
The only way these homes are going to be affordable is when they are made of canvas. The cost then will still be $200,000. The developer is just lying to everyone about the cost.
Look at the Moana Vista condominium in town, the developer is having a hardtime trying to sell all the units.
Do you think that a home costing just as much as that condominium, that is 30 miles from town, going to be worth it?(You would be better off buying a lot in Kalihi, build a house, erect a 6' high wall with barbed wire, and buy guns and ammo to defend yourself. Closer to town, more buses, and closer to all kinds of shopping and eating places. Kalihi, the diamond in the rough on
Oahu).
Just so you can have some dirt in the back yard and plant grass. You won't even be able to plant vegetables and fruit trees because of the toxic soil.
You will still need to rent storage as the homes will be matchbox in size and the covenants won't let youu clutter up your garage.
DA SCAM

Honolulu, HI

#249 Aug 14, 2009
It's not about the rail or the development of homes or the agriculture land; it's about the tremendous amount of MONEY that all who are part of this scheme are set to make. Over development, traffic gridlock and on and on, is by product problems that is of no concern to those in the "know" of what is really going down.
So face it, nothing is going to stop what is already in motion. Yap all you want, it's a done deal. Mufi and those in this power grid will make a ton of money personally.
Socialism Rocks

Waimea, HI

#250 Aug 14, 2009
OMGWTF wrote:
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you understand english?'honest' is an english word. yeah right and whatever happened to WMD?
There's a difference between honestly believing something is true, even if it may not be (i.e., Bush and WMD), and purposely being dishonest in trying to deceive people. I believe that Bush truly believed that there were WMDs in Iraq. It wasn't as though he pulled that belief out of thin air. The Democrats also apparently had enough reason to believe it too, right?

My basic take on Bush is that he truly believed in what he said and did, and was pretty much what-you-see-is-what-you-get -- at least, as much as any politician/elected official goes. Whether you agreed with him or not is a whole 'nother story.

Obama, on the other hand, seems two-faced. Whereas Bush was upfront with things whether it was popular or not, Obama wants to be popular, and everyone's friend. In the process, he ends up deceiving and misleading a lot of people, including his own supporters.
Pelosi Hypocrisy

Honolulu, HI

#251 Aug 14, 2009
Socialism Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>There's a difference between honestly believing something is true, even if it may not be (i.e., Bush and WMD), and purposely being dishonest in trying to deceive people. I believe that Bush truly believed that there were WMDs in Iraq. It wasn't as though he pulled that belief out of thin air. The Democrats also apparently had enough reason to believe it too, right?
My basic take on Bush is that he truly believed in what he said and did, and was pretty much what-you-see-is-what-you-get -- at least, as much as any politician/elected official goes. Whether you agreed with him or not is a whole 'nother story.
Obama, on the other hand, seems two-faced. Whereas Bush was upfront with things whether it was popular or not, Obama wants to be popular, and everyone's friend. In the process, he ends up deceiving and misleading a lot of people, including his own supporters.
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LEGAL immigrant

Reno, NV

#252 Aug 14, 2009
DA SCAM wrote:
It's not about the rail or the development of homes or the agriculture land; it's about the tremendous amount of MONEY that all who are part of this scheme are set to make. Over development, traffic gridlock and on and on, is by product problems that is of no concern to those in the "know" of what is really going down.
So face it, nothing is going to stop what is already in motion. Yap all you want, it's a done deal. Mufi and those in this power grid will make a ton of money personally.
You hit it right on! It's ALL about the MONEY AND POWER.... Follow the money trail... it will lead right into the corrupt politicians' and developers' pockets!

Inouye also owns vacant land on O'ahu..... it is on a disclosure website..... Wish I had bookmarked the page....He, NO DOUBT, will also make a bundle!
alice

Honolulu, HI

#256 Aug 14, 2009
LEGAL immigrant wrote:
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You hit it right on! It's ALL about the MONEY AND POWER.... Follow the money trail... it will lead right into the corrupt politicians' and developers' pockets!
Inouye also owns vacant land on O'ahu..... it is on a disclosure website..... Wish I had bookmarked the page....He, NO DOUBT, will also make a bundle!
i agree

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LEGAL immigrant

Reno, NV

#257 Aug 14, 2009
Inouye has ALWAYS had a hidden agenda!! Going back to his flagrant lies (2005)....He WILL benefit BIG TIME by any land deals (including the choo choo to Hell)......

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Keanuenue

Pearl City, HI

#263 Aug 15, 2009
Nuff wrote:
Where is the Sierra Club on this issue?
Is this the "substainable Hawaii" vision the state administration is pushing?
"The Ho'opili project calls for creating a community the size of Hawaii Kai or Mililani...
the land is designated agricultural by the state..."
Does "Go Green" mean giving the developer the money and then when they leave Hawaii we're stuck with the mess they created?
Where is the Sierra Club on this issue?
They are aligning themselves with the developer so they can get there GO Green contracts for photo votaic and solar. Blue Planet is already doing a Homemake over to go green, so what do you think. Follow the money.
EwaBrah1

Ewa Beach, HI

#264 Aug 24, 2009
All the people who have posted here pretty much sum up the feelings of most Ewa Beach residents. We are considered last on what do we want! So stop taking it I encourage West end and leeward kanaka that are concern and care about sustainable future, to go to the LUC meeting for opposing this and "WE need to get mad" Enough is enough! 12,000 homes is not just 12,000 people it is probably 30 to 35,000 people if you count offspring.

Plus the count for cars In Hawaii is already 2.5 per household, so this will be an additional 30,000+ cars and trucks.

This is just Greed from the mainland at it's best.
This will be a MPC(Master plan community) like Mililani, but at a time where economically housing is at a glut.

The aina can only support so many people from food, to water, to recreation. This is not what my ancestors would have wanted for these islands.

What's with Urban planning in the city and county??
Why isn't there a Master plan for the City and County that is going to reasonable to the future of the Island. It is beyond me how the Developers (most from the Mainland originally) Get away with not having to contribute more to the impacts they will obviously cause, Traffic,Sewage,Water,pollution ,Schools etc.
So they get away with donating land to the state to build the schools, Big deal! I worked in California and EIS would have to be done before they even broke ground. and the Mello-russe Bill made it mandatory that bonds be taken out by the profiteering Devlopers to pay for the road expansions, and sewer and water impaction, and Highway connections and not passing all these things on to the Public taxes. This is BS.

Haseko, DR Horton/Schuler, etc. Should not be allowed to get away with so little contribution to the community considering they make the most profit!

Example: Haseko did a photo-op donating the new firestation land??, which they bought as cheap Ag land in the first place now the City and County will pay for this station..Why isn't anyone demanding they build the Schools and the Firestations and while there at it Has LUC thought of the impactions on Hono'uli'uli waste water treatment it already doesn't conform to EPA standards I don't care what Mufi says about his experts findings. It's the EPA for Christ sake they make the standards. It's this lack of foresight that has gotten this state in trouble always Hindsight. "OH yeah no worries Bumbai fix em" this has to stop for our Keiki's sake. I live in Ocean pointe and I can only afford the Townhouses, so if these new houses go up "Track home style". How will these be affordable for most locals??? They won't and it will be just like Ocean pt. My neighbors are either renter's from the Military or locals that bought back in the late 90's. the newer homes sit empty or rented with out-of-state owners who bought out of greed to flip to make a profit. and now they can't sell em. so why do we need 12,000 more not affordable houses for CA, FL, NY etc resident's to have a second home or investor home.

This is all Bullshit! a True WTF moment.
Enough is enough join me at LUC meeting to stop this nonsense. Let's take back our aina. If our future depends on energy independence, with like solar and wind and BIofuels, How if we can't grow them we will be substituting one imported fuel for another since we won't be self-sufficient..

Make your voice heard, it's not enough to gripe online, you need to let these legislators know what you think.
Stumpy

Kaneohe, HI

#265 Aug 25, 2009
Haseko has been raping Ewa Beach for years, and hired Ewa Beach residents to do the pumping for them. Look at the make-up of your neighborhood board, it's like mini-California. Jeff Alexander was the one person who fought all those years for you, tried to fight the developers, but the Ewa beach people drove him out. The Filipinos mostly, but others too, fought him at every turn just because they saw him as a white hippy, So they backed Espero, and now you get what you asked for. Have fun in new Los Angeles.
Close HTA

Kalaheo, HI

#266 Aug 26, 2009
Stumpy wrote:
Haseko has been raping Ewa Beach for years, and hired Ewa Beach residents to do the pumping for them. Look at the make-up of your neighborhood board, it's like mini-California. Jeff Alexander was the one person who fought all those years for you, tried to fight the developers, but the Ewa beach people drove him out. The Filipinos mostly, but others too, fought him at every turn just because they saw him as a white hippy, So they backed Espero, and now you get what you asked for. Have fun in new Los Angeles.
Sad when ignorance, greed and racism win . Your analysis is dead on. Ewa is the poster child for this.
Charlie Brown

Dallas, TX

#267 Aug 26, 2009
Leeward side people said they wanted rail. This gave the red light to more development for the Second City. What Stumpy said was kind of bawdy, but in effect, it is true. The west and north shores and much of central Oahu are toast now. It's all politics, and it's not a pretty sight.
mush

Kihei, HI

#268 Aug 27, 2009
When it comes to a point where water is gone, then we'll all get to take dry type baths the way birds do it, by flapping and floundering in dirt and sand to delouse or we could all turn to using packets of alcohol wipes.
NOW I Oppose Hoopili

Waimea, HI

#269 Aug 28, 2009
I had to laugh when I saw the op-ed in support of the Ho`opili development in today's Honolulu Advertiser. It was jointly written by John Whalen, Don Clegg, Cheryl Soon, Pat Onishi, Jan Sullivan, Randall Fujiki, Eric Crispin and Henry Eng - as noted at the end of the piece, all "former planning directors of the City and County of Honolulu."

LOL! If their endorsement is not a clear indication that we should do the exact opposite of what they're suggesting, and OPPOSE the Ho`opili development, I don't know what is!! Look at Honolulu, at O`ahu, and tell me - do you think it's been well-planned?? And so now we're supposed to ooh and ahh that these supposed experts - who were responsible for creating the mess we're in now - support the project?? ROFLMAO! The hubris and delusions of city administrators and politicos never ceases to amaze me. I was undecided until I read their piece, but now that I see they support Ho`opili, I'm definitely against it!!

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/200...

Sarcasm aside, if you want to read a good op-ed in opposition to Ho`opili, here's the counter provided by Kioni Dudley.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/200...
nalo town

Kalaheo, HI

#270 Aug 28, 2009
NOW I Oppose Hoopili wrote:
I had to laugh when I saw the op-ed in support of the Ho`opili development in today's Honolulu Advertiser. It was jointly written by John Whalen, Don Clegg, Cheryl Soon, Pat Onishi, Jan Sullivan, Randall Fujiki, Eric Crispin and Henry Eng - as noted at the end of the piece, all "former planning directors of the City and County of Honolulu."
LOL! If their endorsement is not a clear indication that we should do the exact opposite of what they're suggesting, and OPPOSE the Ho`opili development, I don't know what is!! Look at Honolulu, at O`ahu, and tell me - do you think it's been well-planned?? And so now we're supposed to ooh and ahh that these supposed experts - who were responsible for creating the mess we're in now - support the project?? ROFLMAO! The hubris and delusions of city administrators and politicos never ceases to amaze me. I was undecided until I read their piece, but now that I see they support Ho`opili, I'm definitely against it!!
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/200...
Sarcasm aside, if you want to read a good op-ed in opposition to Ho`opili, here's the counter provided by Kioni Dudley.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/200...
yes our useless planning directors are what got us in the mess . zero proactiveness invites the mainland developers to come and run wild
Laie Born

Dallas, TX

#271 Aug 28, 2009
NOW I Oppose Hoopili wrote:
I had to laugh when I saw the op-ed in support of the Ho`opili development in today's Honolulu Advertiser. It was jointly written by John Whalen, Don Clegg, Cheryl Soon, Pat Onishi, Jan Sullivan, Randall Fujiki, Eric Crispin and Henry Eng - as noted at the end of the piece, all "former planning directors of the City and County of Honolulu."
LOL! If their endorsement is not a clear indication that we should do the exact opposite of what they're suggesting, and OPPOSE the Ho`opili development, I don't know what is!! Look at Honolulu, at O`ahu, and tell me - do you think it's been well-planned?? And so now we're supposed to ooh and ahh that these supposed experts - who were responsible for creating the mess we're in now - support the project?? ROFLMAO! The hubris and delusions of city administrators and politicos never ceases to amaze me. I was undecided until I read their piece, but now that I see they support Ho`opili, I'm definitely against it!!
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/200...
Sarcasm aside, if you want to read a good op-ed in opposition to Ho`opili, here's the counter provided by Kioni Dudley.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/200...
Great article. Thanks for the link. Some critics say the land is highly contaminated with pesticides- Would ag be allowed on it now if that were true?
Stumpy

Kaneohe, HI

#272 Aug 28, 2009
nalo town wrote:
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yes our useless planning directors are what got us in the mess . zero proactiveness invites the mainland developers to come and run wild
Follow the money. There are always high-salary jobs for these folks after leaving political office or key positions. Doesn't a sudden million-dollar a year raise in salary seem unusal for a person that only worked for the city during a big-development decision seem strange? Vote for pro-developer one year, make a million dollars as a "consultant" next year, either for the developer, HECO, or someone else in the hui. Or maybe you suddenly become a millionaire trustee.
NewsFlash

Pearl City, HI

#273 Aug 28, 2009
Uh, Not all of us who live Ewa, Kapolei, etc... We all don't work around where we live.... I don't understand this fantasy... Why do these spokespersons keep bringing up this live where you work fantasy ????

Signed,

Civilian Employee on Camp Smith, living Kapolei just trying to pay earn my keep and pay my taxes.
missudpat

Saratoga, CA

#274 Aug 29, 2009
D R Horton is RICO. See the proof: www.drhortonsjudges.info Good luck.

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