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There are 161 comments on the The Honolulu Advertiser story from Sep 14, 2007, titled Hawaii real estate suit filed over noisy frog - The Honolulu Ad.... In it, The Honolulu Advertiser reports that:

Comment on this story HITCHED A RIDE The Puerto Rican frogs likely ended up in Hawai'i in shipments of tropical plants.

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Carole Kaufman

Honolulu, HI

#1 Sep 14, 2007
this is ridiculous. the coqui frogs have in Wainaku, and many other places on the Big Island for a long time; this is a typical frivilous lawsuit from people who buy a $2 million dollarpiece of property, sight unseen, and then complain about the local conditions. Moran clearly states that the coqui frogs were signed off on addendums and contracts and that he therefore did not misrepresent the property. The frogs can be controlled with citric acid; but i guess this is too much work for people who want to buy a piece of paradise turnkey!
Roy Yanagihara

Honolulu, HI

#2 Sep 14, 2007
No, actually its called "buyers' remorse".
Quirindongo

San Diego, CA

#3 Sep 14, 2007
Forward Observer wrote:
No, actually its called "buyers' remorse".
Did the "coqui frog" make its' debut with the wave of Puerto Rican workers, who were brought to Hawaii sometime in the 1930's to pick pineapples? I thought the coqui was only found on the island of PR.
Kalena Machado

Kailua Kona, HI

#5 Sep 14, 2007
Maybe we should sue the State for letting the frogs in.
Roy Yanagihara

Honolulu, HI

#6 Sep 14, 2007
Kalena Machado wrote:
Maybe we should sue the State for letting the frogs in.
Why the state? Why not sue the jackass who brought it in, ditto snakes, ditto miconia, etc.
Quirindongo

San Diego, CA

#13 Sep 14, 2007
USMAIL wrote:
A couple of years ago, I remember reading an article from the NY Times that highlighted local government’s effort to eradicate Hawaii’s coqui population – just because of the loud high pitch noise the male makes before it mates. While Puertoricans grow up loving this mating song – Hawaiians complained about the loss of real estate value where coquis were found.
At the time that this article was printed, authorities were spraying plant life with a solution of caffeine which literally caused death by heart attack. Public outcry help change eradication practices to more HUMANE ones. Right..!
La jodienda es que estos animalitos no se han podido reproducir ni en la República Dominicana – quien es más parecida a nuestra isla que cualquier otro lugar. It is as if they left the island of Puerto Rico to find the thousands of Puertoricans who left for Hawaii over a hundred years ago and never returned. To give them company perhaps? Is it my imagination.., or is it poetic justice?
Wish we could hav'em in California.
hahah

Lihue, HI

#15 Sep 14, 2007
must be super-ferry
Citric Acid

United States

#20 Sep 15, 2007
You coqui-frog lovers don't seem to understand that the coqui frog has NO predators in Hawai'i. The coqui frog is INVASIVE. It is ENCROACHING on the the delicate native Hawaiian ecosystem and causing untold and irreparable damage to indigenous flora and fauna. Those who claim to "love the sound" are kindly invited to spend a weekend in lower Puna; go stay at Kehena, Kapoho, Pahoa, or any place in Lower Puna; take a road trip along the Hamakua coast and listen to the frogs, and spend some quality time at Hakalau where the frogs are deeply entrenched. It is apparent that the malihini and Puerto Ricans don't seem to understand the toll that invasive species such as these coqui frogs are taking on our delicate ecosystem. The infestation is so severe that unless there is a unified effort to distribute citric acid, hydrated lime, and baking soda upon coqui infested areas, the battle will never be won. And yes, it is a battle. Coqui frogs have an extremely high reproductive rate; there are stories of homes with coqui frogs coming out of the sink and toilets. Come to Puna and experience it for your self.
Quirindongo

San Diego, CA

#21 Sep 15, 2007
USMAIL wrote:
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I know man..! From your mouth to god’s ears..!
I wish we could have them everywhere..!
¡Ojala que hubieran coquíes… hasta en la luna..!
Their sound is lullingly beautiful. A stark reminder of the magnificent tropical nightfall at my abuela's home en Penuelas.
Quirindongo

San Diego, CA

#26 Sep 15, 2007
USMAIL wrote:
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Paraphrasing Quirindongo’s post above.., Coquis have shared the island of Puerto Rico for millennia..! We know the song of the Coqui..! In fact.., we love the song of the coqui..!
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Won’t this remedy cause the demise of some native species as well..?
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We know..! In fact coquies were the symbol for the ‘god of fertility’ in Taino mythology.
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Those stories may also be mythology. Coquies are terribly shy creatures who go about their business under the cover of darkness. Unlike house insects.., they prefer plant-live and shallow bodies of water to perch.
This Citric Acid fella' paints a scenario out of "creepy crawler" '50's sci-fi
horror film. Your right, the coqui must be a shy creature, hidden in the tropical botanicals of Puerto Rico. I've been to the island many times, and honestly I don't remember seein' one. My only reference is a T-shirt my kid sister had that whimsically depicted the frog in some advertisement stint for the island. But that's it!

If what this guy's sayin' is correct, and given the Taino's assertions of fertility, then maybe we can go to Hawaii and rustle up a batch of coquies and make an aphrodisiac stew. If all works out, then we can start canning production and distribute that sucker. Man..., we'd be MILLIONIARES IN NO TIME!

Since: Feb 07

Juncos, Puerto Rico

#28 Sep 15, 2007
Quirindongo wrote:
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This Citric Acid fella' paints a scenario out of "creepy crawler" '50's sci-fi
horror film. Your right, the coqui must be a shy creature, hidden in the tropical botanicals of Puerto Rico. I've been to the island many times, and honestly I don't remember seein' one. My only reference is a T-shirt my kid sister had that whimsically depicted the frog in some advertisement stint for the island. But that's it!
If what this guy's sayin' is correct, and given the Taino's assertions of fertility, then maybe we can go to Hawaii and rustle up a batch of coquies and make an aphrodisiac stew. If all works out, then we can start canning production and distribute that sucker. Man..., we'd be MILLIONIARES IN NO TIME!
I live in Cidra, in the countryside southwest of Caguas, and I only SEE about one per month or so. Part of the reason for that is their size ... if they're an inch long they're a BIG Coqui.

But, I have a stand of bamboo outside my bedroom window, and those little guys sing me to sleep every night. If I ever move off the island, I'll have to buy one of the tourist CDs at the airport .. "The Tropical Sounds of Puerto Rico", just to get to sleep at night.

Since: Feb 07

Juncos, Puerto Rico

#31 Sep 15, 2007
USMAIL wrote:
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Wait a minute Jester..! ARE YOU TRYING TO POKE FUN AT ME..?
<sheepishly> I bought one..!
It’s a 90 minute nighttime recording of El Yunque’s cacophony. I love it..!
Hell, no. I'm totally serious.

One interesting phenomenon is that the particular frequency range of the Coqui's "song" seems to be picked up to an unnatural degree by telephone equipment. If I talk to my kids at night, they almost always tell me to speak up, because the Coqui's are coming through louder than me.
Quirindongo

San Diego, CA

#32 Sep 15, 2007
USMAIL wrote:
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Wait a minute Jester..! ARE YOU TRYING TO POKE FUN AT ME..?
<sheepishly> I bought one..!
It’s a 90 minute nighttime recording of El Yunque’s cacophony. I love it..!
Wouldn't the more suited word be "lullaphonic" than cacophony. I remember from music class, back at CUNY Lehman, that a cacophonic sound was like a disagreeable incongruent mix of dissonant sounds. Nothin' pleasant, to say the least.

To me, the sound of the coqui is the Brahm's lullabye of the Puerto Rican countryside. No wonder those Jibaros were up with the roosters. Everytime I go there that little critter puts me to sleep.

Since: Feb 07

Juncos, Puerto Rico

#33 Sep 15, 2007
Quirindongo wrote:
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Wouldn't the more suited word be "lullaphonic" than cacophony. I remember from music class, back at CUNY Lehman, that a cacophonic sound was like a disagreeable incongruent mix of dissonant sounds. Nothin' pleasant, to say the least.
To me, the sound of the coqui is the Brahm's lullabye of the Puerto Rican countryside. No wonder those Jibaros were up with the roosters. Everytime I go there that little critter puts me to sleep.
"Lullaphonic". Cool word. I Googled it, got zilch. You should submit this to Webster. Not many have the opportunity to invent a word, in ANY language.

Lullaphonic [luhl-uh-fon-ik](adjective) Having a sound capable of inducing sleep.

Works for me.
Quirindongo

San Diego, CA

#35 Sep 15, 2007
USMAIL wrote:
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All joking aside.., I don’t think I’ve ever heard the full 90 minutes. As a matter of fact.., I don’t think I’ve ever gotten past the first 30. Hey.., Quirindongo.., this may be an opportunity to compete with the makers of Ambien.
What boggles my mind.., is how the hell can this horny little critter give us so much pleasure. To the extent that its song can hypnotize us to sleep.., while it can drive others to outright madness..! Is it nature or nurture..! Could it possibly be: the link to our distant past..?
Go figure..!
Now that's an interesting notion. I know that the "Frenchies" here are referred to as "Frogs", a rather comtemptous slang term. French Canadians are "canucks", also a degrading term. By the way I know this, because my wife's half French and once a year we try to hang with the "parlez vous francais" up in Montreal or Quebec, but as for "distant past" in the Puerto Rican scenario, I'm not sure. I've also heard 'Frog" used in Gene Hackman's denotations of French heroin smugglers in the movie "French Connection". Oh, I get it..., weren't the Corsican pirates French?
Maybe there is some connection based on this.
Quirindongo

San Diego, CA

#39 Sep 15, 2007
USMAIL wrote:
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Then lullaphonic it is..! Thanks..!
__________
I’d like to know how the 4th and 5th generation Puertorican-Hawaiians feel about the whole dilemma..?
Arroz y gandules con pasteles with "PINEAPPLE', is as bad as pizza with the condiment. California's full of such "designer pizza" Takes a bit a' gettin' use to.
Quirindongo

San Diego, CA

#40 Sep 15, 2007
USMAIL wrote:
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Hey Quirindongo.., I’m game.
However.., before you spend any money.., I should explain that the Taino’s veneration for the critter was not based on its mystical aphrodisiac powers.., but on its ability to reproduce itself exponentially. To the Taino, coquies were the epitome of a ‘fertile womb’.
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This begs the questions:
(1) Were coquis the only pre-Columbian critter in Puerto Rico with the ability to reproduce in such high levels?
(2) If there were other vertebrates with this capacity.., why Tainos chose the coqui as their symbolic god (demigod) of fertility..?
(3) If there were other animal-life (barring microscopic life-forms or opportunistic bugs) with those traits.., what were they..?
Perhaps we could start a thread dedicated to naming Puerto Rico’s pre-Columbian fauna. We could start with mammals and work our way down to lower life-forms.
Words of business wisdom: "Always use someone elses money, never your own. If it turns out the "sex brew" is better and more natural than VIAGRA or CIALUS, any bank on this planet will afford you a loan, no questions asked.

We need to experiment in cooking these little critters as much as California needs to import NY water to make good pizza. I always thought a distillation process of some sort might work, but the good algae that accumulates around those NY brass pipes will be hard to replicate.
Quirindongo

San Diego, CA

#41 Sep 15, 2007
USMAIL wrote:
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A MORE ACCURATE DEFINITION:
Lullaphonic [luhl-uh-fon-ik](adjective) Having a sound capable of inducing sleep except in Hawaii.
Gotta hand it to ya'..., ha...ha...ha!
Quirindongo

San Diego, CA

#42 Sep 15, 2007
PRJester wrote:
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Hell, no. I'm totally serious.
One interesting phenomenon is that the particular frequency range of the Coqui's "song" seems to be picked up to an unnatural degree by telephone equipment. If I talk to my kids at night, they almost always tell me to speak up, because the Coqui's are coming through louder than me.
"I told ya' they were a symphony."

Since: Feb 07

Juncos, Puerto Rico

#43 Sep 15, 2007
Quirindongo wrote:
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Arroz y gandules con pasteles with "PINEAPPLE', is as bad as pizza with the condiment. California's full of such "designer pizza" Takes a bit a' gettin' use to.
Eh, why bother? You know what's good, stick to it.

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