Ho'opili project doesn't fit Hawaii's...

Ho'opili project doesn't fit Hawaii's renewed focus on a sustai...

There are 37 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Sep 3, 2009, titled Ho'opili project doesn't fit Hawaii's renewed focus on a sustai.... In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

People seem to either love the Ho'opili development, or hate it. And I can understand that.

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Babes

Wahiawa, HI

#22 Sep 5, 2009
nimby wrote:
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Who are these expert's? Where is the data to back them up?
The UH Land Study. Dr. Goro Uehara, professor of Soil Science at UH has studied soils in many different countries and says this is the best farmland in the world. It is a low-lying area, with plenty of sun, gentle winds, and clean water.

Higher elevations have more cloud cover and experience problems with root rot and insects that love wet conditions. Also they have pH levels that require expensive soil remediation for alkalinity or acidity. Ewa farms have none of these problems. Warm, sunny days allow them to produce four crops a year, compared to three on the North Shore and central highlands, and two in Waimanalo.
nimby

Waianae, HI

#23 Sep 5, 2009
Babes wrote:
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The UH Land Study. Dr. Goro Uehara, professor of Soil Science at UH has studied soils in many different countries and says this is the best farmland in the world. It is a low-lying area, with plenty of sun, gentle winds, and clean water.
Higher elevations have more cloud cover and experience problems with root rot and insects that love wet conditions. Also they have pH levels that require expensive soil remediation for alkalinity or acidity. Ewa farms have none of these problems. Warm, sunny days allow them to produce four crops a year, compared to three on the North Shore and central highlands, and two in Waimanalo.
As usual. The standard response.

Provide the data, if you can.

By the way, show me the field that produces 4 crops a year. It has to be the same plot of land for each crop.
Realitybites

Kaneohe, HI

#24 Sep 5, 2009
Flexo wrote:
That being said, we still don't need this project, not with another 30 to 40,000 homes already approved and scheduled for construction in the area.
But Flexo...we DO need the houses. If people are buying them, then there's a "need". If they don't sell, there's no need. If they aren't going to sell, then a developer's not going to invest millions in it. The problem with not meeting the demand for housing is that it forces the prices of existing houses higher due to un-fulfilled demand. It makes things even more unaffordable here. That's always been Hawaii's problem and is one of serveral primary reasons why a house is so expensive here. Basic economics, dude!
Realitybites

Kaneohe, HI

#25 Sep 5, 2009
Stumpy wrote:
Just concrete the entire island and build warehouses already, and stuff the people into them. That's the goal of the developers and polititians.
That's pretty ignornant, dude!
Realitybites

Kaneohe, HI

#26 Sep 5, 2009
Fuzzy Ball wrote:
A local study done last year determined that with 1000 acres in a modern organic technique the whole island of Kauai could be kept sustainably in produce.
Fuzzy! What study is that? By whom and where published? If you don't give that info then it appears you're making it up. Details, man, details.
nimby

Waianae, HI

#27 Sep 7, 2009
Note the lack of response when asked to provide the information requested.

This is a standard tactic. Make statements but provide no details to back up their comment.
alice

Kahului, HI

#28 Sep 7, 2009
Babes wrote:
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The UH Land Study. Dr. Goro Uehara, professor of Soil Science at UH has studied soils in many different countries and says this is the best farmland in the world. It is a low-lying area, with plenty of sun, gentle winds, and clean water.
Higher elevations have more cloud cover and experience problems with root rot and insects that love wet conditions. Also they have pH levels that require expensive soil remediation for alkalinity or acidity. Ewa farms have none of these problems. Warm, sunny days allow them to produce four crops a year, compared to three on the North Shore and central highlands, and two in Waimanalo.
well said
Babes

Wahiawa, HI

#29 Sep 7, 2009
nimby wrote:
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As usual. The standard response.
Provide the data, if you can.
By the way, show me the field that produces 4 crops a year. It has to be the same plot of land for each crop.
hmmmm.... I see you're one of the stalwart ones who choose to eat houses instead of food.
Big Al

AOL

#30 Sep 7, 2009
Save our precious lands from constant development!!!!!!!!
nimby

Waianae, HI

#31 Sep 7, 2009
Babes wrote:
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hmmmm.... I see you're one of the stalwart ones who choose to eat houses instead of food.
Can't answer the questions? Normal for folks that make statements without data to back them up.
Babes

Wahiawa, HI

#32 Sep 8, 2009
nimby wrote:
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Can't answer the questions? Normal for folks that make statements without data to back them up.
I already told you where and from whom that data came from. You do the rest. Do you also need a tit to suck on, big idiot baby?
ipj737

Kapaa, HI

#33 Sep 8, 2009
Realitybites wrote:
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But Flexo...we DO need the houses. If people are buying them, then there's a "need". If they don't sell, there's no need. If they aren't going to sell, then a developer's not going to invest millions in it. The problem with not meeting the demand for housing is that it forces the prices of existing houses higher due to un-fulfilled demand. It makes things even more unaffordable here. That's always been Hawaii's problem and is one of serveral primary reasons why a house is so expensive here. Basic economics, dude!
So using your retarded logic we should just pave over every single square foot of remaining dirt on this island.

Maybe you don't know this but we ship our garbage 3,500 miles because we have no place to put it. That we have limited amounts of fresh water and our current population is maxing out BoW's ability to keep up with demand during dry spells. That we are incapable of treating our current wastewater stream TODAY. That we have a frightening 8 days of food if shipments get cut off (hurricane, war, other natural disaster). That HECO is at full capacity during hot summer days. That our transportation infrastructure is overwhelmed and a ridiculous train is going to do NOTHING to alleviate that.

This island is MAXED OUT and cannot handle any more people. That's it. STOP THE BUILDING. We should preserve what little land is left for agricultural purposes so we can actually FEED OUR OWN PEOPLE instead of rely on imports to do the same. Only idiots like yourself think we should just keep building and building and building to "keep up with demand".

People with your ideology and mindset are destroying what little is left of Hawaii.
Guru

Brea, CA

#34 Sep 9, 2009
This project will push Oahu beyond the tipping point and result in disaster for this island. It should not be built. Food is more valuable than some nice profits for a builder for 10-15 years. What the hell are you guys thinking, Mufi?

Recall this idiot, and all his minions.
Leeward Lolo

Elgin, IL

#35 Sep 9, 2009
They are and have been thinking how it will benefit them personally.
May be too late for tourism, who wants to come to Hawaii to see tall buildings and endless rows of unimaginative tract homes smashed together, not even a row of oleander hiding them from the highways. Or visit the beaches and parks to view the filth taking over there.
And guess who is on a $3 million mainland visit promoting tourism? The four mayors. That should really bring people to Hawaii. ha ha ha ha

“What are we paying for NOW??”

Since: Aug 09

Honolulu, HI

#36 Sep 9, 2009
Enough already! I hope all the people step up, make their voices heard and kill this Hoopili project once and for all. This project will hurt us forever, we just don't have the space to build something of this size there or anywhere else on this ISLAND. What is going to take for the developers who are only after the bucks and could care less of the consequences to realize that this is not what we want or need? They're telling us a bunch of lies, nothing more. Are we the people that stupid? I sure hope not.
alice

Kahului, HI

#37 Sep 9, 2009
Joe Taxpayer wrote:
Enough already! I hope all the people step up, make their voices heard and kill this Hoopili project once and for all. This project will hurt us forever, we just don't have the space to build something of this size there or anywhere else on this ISLAND. What is going to take for the developers who are only after the bucks and could care less of the consequences to realize that this is not what we want or need? They're telling us a bunch of lies, nothing more. Are we the people that stupid? I sure hope not.
Well stated..the West Side is so hideous and crowded as it is.
Stumpy

Honolulu, HI

#38 Sep 10, 2009
alice wrote:
<quoted text>Well stated..the West Side is so hideous and crowded as it is.
Keep telling everyone you see the same thing. Getting way too crowded out here. Just wish they'ed stop building tenements for the Micros out here, and keep them in town.

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