Landfill to stay open until 2012 - Ha...

Landfill to stay open until 2012 - Hawaii News

There are 27 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Sep 25, 2009, titled Landfill to stay open until 2012 - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

The closing of the Waimanalo Gulch landfill has been pushed back again. By a 5-3 decision, the state Land Use Commission voted yesterday to extend the life of the landfill by three years to July 31, 2012.

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enufalready

Wailuku, HI

#1 Sep 25, 2009
And the list of people who expected any differently is to be found ... where? The dilemma Oahu faces is that there will never be a solution as long as the tsunami of "disposables" continues to flood this small island.

A commercial aired tonight touting a room air freshener that has a motion sensor incorporated into the design. The sensor triggered the device to spritz some odorant into the room and then cycled off for thirty minutes until the next activity caused it to go off again. This piece of consumer delight, to judge from the ecstatic smiles of the people in the commercial, would make one's life happier by far. And what a boon for the maker that the thing would automatically exhaust itself regardless of whether or not a spray was needed. Now, if you add the empty device to the shoddy, particleboard furniture, the cheap plastic toys, the layers of packaging, the wasted food ... and on and on, you end up with an endless and increasingly hard to "throw away" river of waste for which manufacturers assume no responsibility. The costs of the "disposal" are externalized onto taxpayers while the corporations pocket the profits.

So Oahu can be seen as a a kind of model for the country (and the world) in that the interests of the corporate marketeers are in conflict with what is best for the community and the environment. Add a citizenry that has been turned into a zombiefied shopping mob that has no connection to the deep ecological cycles of its environment, and you get what you've got: hundreds of thousands of tons of trash that nobody wants anything to do with and so gets dumped in the backyard of the least powerful neighborhood, region, country.

The dump is located where it is because that is where the rich and powerful want it ... as far away from Nuuanu, Manoa, Hawaii Kai, Kailua, Kaneohe, North Shore as possible. It will never be moved from where it is other than a few miles down the road and will of necessity be relocated in another weak, disorganized, poor, and politically unsophisticated area. This is precisely why car batteries end up being torn apart in India and Africa, ships are grounded for dismantling in India, coal waste is flooding Appalachia, Uranium mining ore waste blows in the wind of Indian lands in the Southwest.

As long as the tsunami floods in, the disposal stream must flow downhill. Nothing short of a radical and revolutionary change in consciousness will make a difference, regardless of all the "green" advertising shills that companies hire. Too bad for the nearest neighbors of the dump that they are too poor, too distracted, too disheartened, too co-opted, too politically naive, and maybe too afraid to confront the monstrous, uncaring, short sighted, corrupt rich and powerful professional politicians who literally dump their waste all over them.
enufalready

Wailuku, HI

#2 Sep 25, 2009
And the list of people who expected any differently is to be found ... where? The dilemma Oahu faces is that there will never be a solution as long as the tsunami of "disposables" continues to flood this small island.

A commercial aired tonight touting a room air freshener that has a motion sensor incorporated into the design. The sensor triggered the device to spritz some odorant into the room and then cycled off for thirty minutes until the next activity caused it to go off again. This piece of consumer delight, to judge from the ecstatic smiles of the people in the commercial, would make one's life happier by far. And what a boon for the maker that the thing would automatically exhaust itself regardless of whether or not a spray was needed. Now, if you add the empty device to the shoddy, particleboard furniture, the cheap plastic toys, the layers of packaging, the wasted food ... and on and on, you end up with an endless and increasingly hard to "throw away" river of waste for which manufacturers assume no responsibility. The costs of the "disposal" are externalized onto taxpayers while the corporations pocket the profits.

So Oahu can be seen as a a kind of model for the country (and the world) in that the interests of the corporate marketeers are in conflict with what is best for the community and the environment. Add a citizenry that has been turned into a zombiefied shopping mob that has no connection to the deep ecological cycles of its environment, and you get what you've got: hundreds of thousands of tons of trash that nobody wants anything to do with and so gets dumped in the backyard of the least powerful neighborhood, region, country.
enufalready

Wailuku, HI

#3 Sep 25, 2009
The dump is located where it is because that is where the rich and powerful want it ... as far away from Nuuanu, Manoa, Hawaii Kai, Kailua, Kaneohe, North Shore as possible. It will never be moved from where it is other than a few miles down the road and will of necessity be relocated in another weak, disorganized, poor, and politically unsophisticated area. This is precisely why car batteries end up being torn apart in India and Africa, ships are grounded for dismantling in India, coal waste is flooding Appalachia, Uranium mining ore waste blows in the wind of Indian lands in the Southwest.

As long as the tsunami floods in, the disposal stream must flow downhill. Nothing short of a radical and revolutionary change in consciousness will make a difference, regardless of all the "green" advertising shills that companies hire. Too bad for the nearest neighbors of the dump that they are too poor, too distracted, too disheartened, too co-opted, too politically naive, and maybe too afraid to confront the monstrous, uncaring, short sighted, corrupt rich and powerful professional politicians who literally dump their waste all over them.
brokenpromises

San Diego, CA

#4 Sep 25, 2009
blasting? the landfill is full!

expand from 96 acres to 200 acres?

the gulch becomes more narrow, the farther upslope they blast -- that means to double in size, they are going to need to strip mine the mountain much, much farther up into pristine land

land that they are strip mining --- such a terrible shame perpetrated on such a beautiful mountain
brokenpromises

San Diego, CA

#5 Sep 25, 2009
and --- why do you double in size for just 3 more years of use?
Bob

Ashburn, VA

#6 Sep 25, 2009
This is beyond ridiculous. The landfill should have been closed in 2005 as promised. And for the mayor to say "Well i wasn't Mayor then so I don't have to honor it" is a slap in the face. He won't be Mayor in 2012 either. Does that mean the city won't have to honor that agreement?
Trash Man

Honolulu, HI

#8 Sep 25, 2009
The City Council was required in 2004 to choose a landfill sight, and they chose Waimanalo Gulch.
Shutting it down will be a windfall for the trash shippers, but the joke is on us because it costs a lot of money to ship, and we will all pay.
Mark my words.
Scammers

Kaneohe, HI

#9 Sep 25, 2009
So ms. hanabusa, look who's calling a spade a spade about government doing what they say they will do. best you stop flapping those lips and save it for january.
tita inside

Honolulu, HI

#10 Sep 25, 2009
enufalready-you hit it right on the kinipopo! The Hawaiian community has taken the brunt of the islands opala for decades. The community have objected this dumping on the westside for just as long-decades! Their plight has always fallen on deaf ears!
It is really called enviormental racism-let's just call it like it is. The majority population of the westside is Hawaiian. With all the unfair things that is imposed on them is outrageous. The powers that be are to blame too. Catering to the rich and privledged is a huge hurdle to clear for ANY people. What's it gonna take?
Who do these politcal people think their kidding? Any body want to make a wager that in 2012 the commission will once again extend the permits to the C&C? No other location will ever be looked into. Moving the dump a little further down the road would suit those in power but that cannot be acceptable-give the westside communities a break. They have had enough already. Each county/area should take care of their own rubbish within their own county/areas!!
And Mufi thinks that a million or two dollars for special projects makes it ok to treat those communities like that. Heva!
Flexo

Kula, HI

#11 Sep 25, 2009
And where do all the nay sayers in this forum, the commissioners who voted against the extension or Hanabusa propose to put a solid waste disposal facility. Saying to put it anywhere besides where it is isn't a solution. And even if a location were found, how do they propose to pay for it. I guess it's okay to raise taxes if you don't want something in your backyard but it's not okay in the other 99% of the instances.
Face it, there will always be a need for a landfill, and since Waimanalo is already an operating landfill, we should make maximum use of it before shutting it down. It makes no sense to dot the entire island with landfills. And it's adjacent to H-Power, giving the city the flexibility it needs in handling the rubbish.
Hopefully we will have more sensible Land Use Commissioners when this issue next arises.
And get over the lying part. Politicians lie all the time. In fact, the biggest lie to ever hit this island is sitting in the Mayors office at this time.
Kealoha

Kahului, HI

#12 Sep 25, 2009
The LUC took the easy way out...pushed the problem (and decision) down the road 3 years. Hanabusa is right on...3 years from now, with Mufi as Gov, the City and County will be back looking to extend the time and Waimanalo Gulch and Mufi, well Mufi will have appointed the LUC Commissioners by then, Commissioners who will gladly do the City's dirty work and extend the life of the land fill.

Hanabusa for Congress!
kapaa

Lihue, HI

#13 Sep 25, 2009
kailua was the dump for years...now that mountain of rubbish is high value real estate...so the west side hawaiians will have many moneys in the future...mainly hanabata
Von

Aiea, HI

#14 Sep 25, 2009
Actually that is a good idea because according to most prophecies like Nostradamus, Mayan calendar and others the world will end in the year 2012.
abc123xyz

Honolulu, HI

#15 Sep 25, 2009
It needs to stay open until a new site is fully approved and online and has/can stand up to legal challenges. If Coleen Hanababble wants to support her self-interest, why doesn't she spearhead getting a new site approved BEFORE it is closed.

Besides it should go in a junky area like the leeward side, not in Waikiki or other nice areas where tourists are.
tita

Hilo, HI

#16 Sep 25, 2009
Hey tita ! maybe if u did not treat ur back yard like a dump , other folks might not .
SkipJack

Honolulu, HI

#17 Sep 25, 2009
Thanks Mayor Mufi!
Niele

Honolulu, HI

#18 Sep 25, 2009
Mayor Hanneman needs to stop kicking the can down the road and take the leadership role with a plan & timetable.
If this is the way he tackles the big challenges, running for governor will surely mean he's not qualified.
He has been passionate with a very questionable and expensive rail project and is indifferent to the landfill issue.
That's just too much opala from the mayor.
Okole Maluna

AOL

#19 Sep 25, 2009
The Land Use Commission is spineless and indecisive!!!!!!!! What a joke!!!!!!!!

Since: Aug 09

Honolulu, HI

#20 Sep 25, 2009
Thanks Mufi!! we'll be sure to remember this when you try to run for governor. That goes for all the spineless jawflappers now in office.

When I see 'incumbent' I am voting for WHOEVER is on the other side of the ticket....time to get these yahoos OUT.
alice

United States

#21 Sep 25, 2009
Niele wrote:
Mayor Hanneman needs to stop kicking the can down the road and take the leadership role with a plan & timetable.
If this is the way he tackles the big challenges, running for governor will surely mean he's not qualified.
He has been passionate with a very questionable and expensive rail project and is indifferent to the landfill issue.
That's just too much opala from the mayor.
very true..Mufi is always a ttoal crook and shibai.

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