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Republican lawmakers condemn 'Islam Day' - News

There are 120 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from May 7, 2009, titled Republican lawmakers condemn 'Islam Day' - News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

The state Legislature has declared Sept. 24 "Islam Day," an action that drew condemnation from the Senate's two Republicans, Fred Hemmings and Sam Slom.

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Lefty

Kapaa, HI

#130 Jun 4, 2009
Islam Day Applause wrote:
Some of the posts in this thread demonstrate exactly why Hawaii needs an Islam Day observance! The hatred, ignorance and vile language here is so unworthy of people who claim to have 'aloha'.
And, the representatives' statements that set this off are even worse! It is one thing to have a bunch of online bigots spouting off, it is quite another to have a Republican representative blathering like the batty old uncle who embarrasses the family with the 'n' word. None of this kind of ignorance should be tolerated in public -- let alone in politics.
Today Obama speaks to the Islamic world. We will be a far, far better country to listen to his words. I am proud that the Hawaii Legislature preceded his speech with this action.
Yeah, Obama is going to set everything right. The muslim extremists are still p*ssed over the Crusades and Obama is going to call for a new begining. Right. Man on the street interviews by the networks in Egypt yesterday echoed the same sentiment. Speechifying is great, but show me something concrete besides talk. Apparently they are less accepting of a grandioise speech without substance than the american electorate. I am waiting for the King of Saudi Arabia to make a similar speech on Christian Day (or Hebrew Day, or Buddhist Day) in Riyadh.
Fred Forrett

Lincoln, MA

#131 Jul 6, 2009
Our leaders are lost, confused, ignorant or insane.

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#132 Jan 19, 2010
Islam Day Applause wrote:
Some of the posts in this thread demonstrate exactly why Hawaii needs an Islam Day observance! The hatred, ignorance and vile language here is so unworthy of people who claim to have 'aloha'.
And, the representatives' statements that set this off are even worse! It is one thing to have a bunch of online bigots spouting off, it is quite another to have a Republican representative blathering like the batty old uncle who embarrasses the family with the 'n' word. None of this kind of ignorance should be tolerated in public -- let alone in politics.
Today Obama speaks to the Islamic world. We will be a far, far better country to listen to his words. I am proud that the Hawaii Legislature preceded his speech with this action.
Um....anyone with a functioning brain knows it's extremely inappropriate and retarded to have an Islam day especially while we are at war with radical Islam.

Hellooooo?? DUH!!

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#133 Jan 19, 2010
Islam Day Applause wrote:
Today Obama speaks to the Islamic world.
Which is one of the many reasons why he's tanking in the polls as we speak.

Just remember: We were calling Obama a fraud long time ago and only now the entire country is realizing it!
alice

United States

#134 Jan 19, 2010
It would make more sense to declare Buhhism day given our population
16inch50

Honolulu, HI

#135 Jan 19, 2010
American_Infidel wrote:
....anyone with a functioning brain knows it's extremely inappropriate and retarded to have an Islam day especially while we are at war with radical Islam.
You might find this item recently received from a friend of interest:
QUOTE
The West has been in a defensive war against Islam since its hordes flooded out of the wastes of Arabia in the 7th century. The war has been fought in fits and starts, and there are many sorry tales, especially from the Balkans and from the final centuries of Byzantium, but even as far back as the Crusades, of intra-Christian warfare resulting in alliances between Christian and non-Christian forces, which worked to the benefit of the Ottomans and their Muslim allies.
The West needs to stop apologizing to the Muslims for the Crusades, and instead apologize to the Orthodox Church and the Jews for the well- intentioned but badly executed efforts to liberate the Holy Land from the infidel that instead seriously damaged [perhaps fatally] the Byzantine Empire and also led the Jews of the Holy Land and southeastern Europe to look to the Muslims as protectors.
The West cannot win against Islamey by waging a limited war. We've tried that, and it hasn't worked. The West also cannot win against Islamey by offering a "war of ideas," attempting to assert that secular social-democracy is superior to Islam, and thus any reasonable person will adopt it and reduce Islam to a "weddings, funerals, and one hour on sabbath" social activity. They're not buying. Those leading the Islamist charge are usually young men [at least when they start], often middle-class or wealthier, have at least some Western education, and are neither ignorant nor cowardly, but rather are desperate to drive what they see as a corrupting Western influence [more later] out of Islamey.
The Islamists see the West as working through corrupt, bought-out Muslim apostate rulers [e.g., Egypt, Jordan, etc.], through armed military/CIA interventions [Iraq, Djibouti, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, etc.], through cultural absorption [aimed at Muslim students in Western universities], & through cultural penetration [internet & media which the Muslim regimes are unable or unwilling to block]. Remember, the Muslim, unlike the Christian, views man as born morally neutral, but from the start torn between the temptations of Iblis [their devil] and the call of Allah to submission to his legalistic totalitarian rule.
Unless the West unequivocally rejects the false turns of the Continental Enlightenment to secularism, statism, and social democracy and returns to the Scottish Enlightenment concepts of Christian-based liberty, limited government, and free markets, it cannot eliminate the Islamist threat. But even that isn't enough. There's more. All of Christendom must agree to a common cause: Baptist, Protestant, evangelical/charismatic, Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox [including Copt, Syriac, and Armenian]-- whatever our very real doctrinal differences, we must not let them interfere with cooperation against the common foe, which is Islam.
// tbc //
16inch50

Honolulu, HI

#136 Jan 19, 2010
// concludes //
The West must wage a war to render Islam totally illegitimate, despicable, and illegal, as it did against NAZIism or Marxist-Leninist Communism -- and this would be a total war, a very costly war in blood and treasure, in part because previous efforts focused on territorial gains [the Crusades and the imperialism of the 19th-early 20th century], whereas this war must focus on SPIRITUAL and social gains [liberating millions from Islam]. It is made harder because we cannot impose Christianity... but we can explicitly legalize it & protect its practice, worship, evangelism, etc. We cannot coerce it, but we can coercively suppress Islam. The goal must be to liberate Muslims by destroying Islam -- not directly to destroy Muslims unless they refuse to part with their terrible religion.
BTW, our Christian allies in Africa and Asia are ready -- they've been on the front lines, almost unsupported, trying to use spiritual power in prayer, evangelistic outreach, as well as armed efforts, to stop the tide of Islamist aggression across Africa. They are playing the role of Britain as the last bastion in the eastern hemisphere against NAZIism, or the role of the Germans and Koreans -- divided by and put on alert against Leninist aggression. Will we awaken and rally to them? Or will we content ourselves with pointless, futile efforts to spread secular-social-democracy in Muslim reactionary or tribal lands by armed force?
Since I do not see this massive shift in direction even in America, much less across what remains of Christendom, I propose a less demanding alternative that would at least buy time until either the Lord's Return or a genuine revival of the church in the West:
-- Withdraw ALL US forces and political presence from Islamey;
-- Re-emphasize use of US resources for the securing of US frontiers including border barriers and enhanced coast security, air/missile defense, and immigration enforcement/reform;
-- Expel all non-US citizens who practice Islam except spouses/ children of US citizens, including parents of US citizens [with their children or without, as they choose], minimizing "diplomatic" representation at embassies and consulates and terminating "cultural exchanges" as these are a one-sided invite to the Wah'abi and their friends to "share" Islam in the US;
-- Begin the legal process to delegitimatize Islam in the US, ultimately leading to a formal definition of Islam as a subversive ideology rather than a 1st Amendment-protected religion;
-- Encourage and assist the same by other Western nations;
-- Work to minimize interaction with Islamey down to basic consumer goods [no high-tech dual-use technology]; to be blunt, oil and gas in exchange for food, clothing, and other low-end consumer goods.
We will NOT win a "grinding war of attrition" -- Islam has been winning that sort of war for about 1500 years, despite occasional setbacks during the early crusades and in the 19th century. They have much less to lose, and much more to win, and are not inherently self- satisfied and decadent as the status quo "dominant world civilization" is. We must either rely upon genuine defense and containment -- a new Cold War -- and pray for the eventual self-destruction of Islamey from its own internal corruption, fear, and self-loathing, or we must bring about a broadly based revival of Christianity and wage a spiritual and temporal Crusade of Liberation to send Islam into the same netherworld where Communism and NAZIism preceded it.
UNQUOTE
alice

United States

#137 Jan 19, 2010
Israel wants us to hate islam hon....it is in their interest to make enmeies of them. I do not dislike Islam. I love all mankind.

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#138 Jan 20, 2010
16inch50 wrote:
// concludes //
The West must wage a war to render Islam totally illegitimate, despicable, and illegal, as it did against NAZIism or Marxist-Leninist Communism -- and this would be a total war, a very costly war in blood and treasure, in part because previous efforts focused on territorial gains [the Crusades and the imperialism of the 19th-early 20th century], whereas this war must focus on SPIRITUAL and social gains [liberating millions from Islam]. It is made harder because we cannot impose Christianity... but we can explicitly legalize it & protect its practice, worship, evangelism, etc. We cannot coerce it, but we can coercively suppress Islam. The goal must be to liberate Muslims by destroying Islam -- not directly to destroy Muslims unless they refuse to part with their terrible religion.
BTW, our Christian allies in Africa and Asia are ready -- they've been on the front lines, almost unsupported, trying to use spiritual power in prayer, evangelistic outreach, as well as armed efforts, to stop the tide of Islamist aggression across Africa. They are playing the role of Britain as the last bastion in the eastern hemisphere against NAZIism, or the role of the Germans and Koreans -- divided by and put on alert against Leninist aggression. Will we awaken and rally to them? Or will we content ourselves with pointless, futile efforts to spread secular-social-democracy in Muslim reactionary or tribal lands by armed force?
Since I do not see this massive shift in direction even in America, much less across what remains of Christendom, I propose a less demanding alternative that would at least buy time until either the Lord's Return or a genuine revival of the church in the West:
-- Withdraw ALL US forces and political presence from Islamey;
-- Re-emphasize use of US resources for the securing of US frontiers including border barriers and enhanced coast security, air/missile defense, and immigration enforcement/reform;
-- Expel all non-US citizens who practice Islam except spouses/ children of US citizens, including parents of US citizens [with their children or without, as they choose], minimizing "diplomatic" representation at embassies and consulates and terminating "cultural exchanges" as these are a one-sided invite to the Wah'abi and their friends to "share" Islam in the US;
-- Begin the legal process to delegitimatize Islam in the US, ultimately leading to a formal definition of Islam as a subversive ideology rather than a 1st Amendment-protected religion;
-- Encourage and assist the same by other Western nations;
-- Work to minimize interaction with Islamey down to basic consumer goods [no high-tech dual-use technology]; to be blunt, oil and gas in exchange for food, clothing, and other low-end consumer goods.
We will NOT win a "grinding war of attrition" -- Islam has been winning that sort of war for about 1500 years, despite occasional setbacks during the early crusades and in the 19th century. They have much less to lose, and much more to win, and are not inherently self- satisfied and decadent as the status quo "dominant world civilization" is. We must either rely upon genuine defense and containment -- a new Cold War -- and pray for the eventual self-destruction of Islamey from its own internal corruption, fear, and self-loathing, or we must bring about a broadly based revival of Christianity and wage a spiritual and temporal Crusade of Liberation to send Islam into the same netherworld where Communism and NAZIism preceded it.
UNQUOTE
thank you for this...

and on another note:

THANK YOU MASSACHUSETTS !!!

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#139 Jan 20, 2010
16inch50 wrote:
// concludes //
The West must wage a war to render Islam totally illegitimate, despicable, and illegal, as it did against NAZIism or Marxist-Leninist Communism -- and this would be a total war, a very costly war in blood and treasure, in part because previous efforts focused on territorial gains [the Crusades and the imperialism of the 19th-early 20th century], whereas this war must focus on SPIRITUAL and social gains [liberating millions from Islam]. It is made harder because we cannot impose Christianity... but we can explicitly legalize it & protect its practice, worship, evangelism, etc. We cannot coerce it, but we can coercively suppress Islam. The goal must be to liberate Muslims by destroying Islam -- not directly to destroy Muslims unless they refuse to part with their terrible religion.
BTW, our Christian allies in Africa and Asia are ready -- they've been on the front lines, almost unsupported, trying to use spiritual power in prayer, evangelistic outreach, as well as armed efforts, to stop the tide of Islamist aggression across Africa. They are playing the role of Britain as the last bastion in the eastern hemisphere against NAZIism, or the role of the Germans and Koreans -- divided by and put on alert against Leninist aggression. Will we awaken and rally to them? Or will we content ourselves with pointless, futile efforts to spread secular-social-democracy in Muslim reactionary or tribal lands by armed force?
Since I do not see this massive shift in direction even in America, much less across what remains of Christendom, I propose a less demanding alternative that would at least buy time until either the Lord's Return or a genuine revival of the church in the West:
-- Withdraw ALL US forces and political presence from Islamey;
-- Re-emphasize use of US resources for the securing of US frontiers including border barriers and enhanced coast security, air/missile defense, and immigration enforcement/reform;
-- Expel all non-US citizens who practice Islam except spouses/ children of US citizens, including parents of US citizens [with their children or without, as they choose], minimizing "diplomatic" representation at embassies and consulates and terminating "cultural exchanges" as these are a one-sided invite to the Wah'abi and their friends to "share" Islam in the US;
-- Begin the legal process to delegitimatize Islam in the US, ultimately leading to a formal definition of Islam as a subversive ideology rather than a 1st Amendment-protected religion;
-- Encourage and assist the same by other Western nations;
-- Work to minimize interaction with Islamey down to basic consumer goods [no high-tech dual-use technology]; to be blunt, oil and gas in exchange for food, clothing, and other low-end consumer goods.
We will NOT win a "grinding war of attrition" -- Islam has been winning that sort of war for about 1500 years, despite occasional setbacks during the early crusades and in the 19th century. They have much less to lose, and much more to win, and are not inherently self- satisfied and decadent as the status quo "dominant world civilization" is. We must either rely upon genuine defense and containment -- a new Cold War -- and pray for the eventual self-destruction of Islamey from its own internal corruption, fear, and self-loathing, or we must bring about a broadly based revival of Christianity and wage a spiritual and temporal Crusade of Liberation to send Islam into the same netherworld where Communism and NAZIism preceded it.
UNQUOTE
Thank you for this.....

and on another note:

MAHALO MASSACHUSETTS FOR GIVING OBAMBA, PELOSI, REID AND ALL THE LEFT WING KOOKS THE SYMBOLIC MIDDLE FINGER FOR IGNORING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE....LETS DO IT AGAIN IN 2012!!!!!!
Jerome

Honolulu, HI

#140 Jan 21, 2010
realmerv wrote:
Why didn't the Senate make September 11th Islam Day? It would be easier to remember and would have greater significance.
Excellant suggestion Merv. 911 should be the day for Muslims to celebrate the Koran with a parade through Waikiki, and end it with a cook out featuring Lamb chops. I'm all for that I love lamb.
Lee Ohana

Honolulu, HI

#141 Jan 21, 2010
alice wrote:
Israel wants us to hate islam hon....it is in their interest to make enmeies of them. I do not dislike Islam. I love all mankind.
Alice Hawaii's has many different races which basically live in harmony. Your attack on the Jewish people shows just how totally ignorant you are. I hope this forum wakes up and bans you from posting. I am going to write to them to do exactly that. We don't need to read your racist idiotic statements on every subject posted. I'm sure I am not the only reader that feels this way.
alice

United States

#142 Jan 21, 2010
The policies of the Israeli government is not the Jewish people hon. Mnay jews in israeli agree with me. Look it up. And grow up and stop being manipulated.
wethepeople

United States

#143 Jan 21, 2010
alice wrote:
The policies of the Israeli government is not the Jewish people hon. Mnay jews in israeli agree with me. Look it up. And grow up and stop being manipulated.
....And many Christians disagree with you.
alice

United States

#144 Jan 21, 2010
I agree...so what is your point? Israeli-funded pressure groups openly priude themselves on controlling USA policy. Go to their wen sites. It has hurt America greatly. I would complain if the government in question were France or Russia.
wethepeople

United States

#145 Jan 21, 2010
alice wrote:
I agree...so what is your point? Israeli-funded pressure groups openly priude themselves on controlling USA policy. Go to their wen sites. It has hurt America greatly. I would complain if the government in question were France or Russia.
giggle, it's booming on the west side
alice

United States

#146 Jan 21, 2010
west side of LA? maybe. Bye for now...off to class.
Santa Monica

Mililani, HI

#147 Jan 21, 2010
Uh, beaches on the west side. You can add Geography to the Alice unknowns.
16inch50

Honolulu, HI

#148 Jan 22, 2010
Santa Monica wrote:
Uh, beaches on the west side. You can add Geography to the Alice unknowns.
HUMPH!

You can add GALAXIES to the realm of that which is not known by our dear Alice.

Indeed, if she knew ANYTHING, her offerings would not be nearly so charming.

No doubt she is an honors student at UH Manoa.
Mickey mouse

Honolulu, HI

#150 Feb 1, 2010
alice wrote:
west side of LA? maybe. Bye for now...off to class.
What class? You are off to continue your family tradition started by your mother. No truck stops here so you go to Chinatown to do your dirty business. PIG....

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