Heat's on over trash - Hawaii Editorials

There are 13 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Sep 30, 2009, titled Heat's on over trash - Hawaii Editorials. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

There's something unseemly about Oahu, marketed worldwide as an island paradise, shipping piles of garbage to the mainland, to be dumped in somebody else's backyard.

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enufalready

Wailuku, HI

#1 Sep 30, 2009
As long as corporations are allowed to externalize all the "disposal" costs associated with products that they mass market to consumers the garbage/waste problem will not be solved. The image of Hawaii's garbage sailing into the sunrise is a foul one, but it does reflect a certain reality in that a lot of the trash is generated by the tourists who come here. For an overview of the cycle that waste is a part of, Google 'The Story of Stuff" and spend a few minutes watching an entertaining and informative video on the subject. Here is the link; sometimes posted links do not work, so sorry if it is a dud.
http://www.storyofstuff.com/
willie

Farmington, MI

#2 Sep 30, 2009
enufalready wrote:
As long as corporations are allowed to externalize all the "disposal" costs associated with products that they mass market to consumers the garbage/waste problem will not be solved.
So it is all the fault of corporations? The MAKE everyone buy their products?

Like all resources on Oahu a trash disposal site is a finite one. Just keep piling it on in the gulch and pretty soon Ohau can claim the title for having the world's highest mountain.

Yes visitors do generate some of the waste. Perhaps a law should be passed saying whatever they use they have to take home with them including trash. Of course they are paying a lot in taxes to the state for the priveledge of visiting paradise...additional burdens won't hurt anyone.
wacos202

Honolulu, HI

#3 Sep 30, 2009
Your absolutely right {LOL}. We shouldn't ship trash to the Mainland! We should recycle! Where do you think the materials collected through recycling go -- they are shipped to the Mainland. I'm sure recycling costs more than collecting trash and the result is the same -- we ship it to the Mainland.
Kimo Da Cable Guy

Waianae, HI

#4 Sep 30, 2009
This editorial is so dopey that you have to suspect Cynthia Oi is behind it. So, we shouldn't ship garbage to the mainland because it is "unseemly?" What a bunch of nonsense. Where do you think all that "stuff" came from in the first place? Yeah, that's right, it was shipped here from the mainland. Why is it perfectly ok to bring things here but not send them back? We send toursts back where they came from, why not trash? Besides, a two-way flow of goods makes for more balanced and rational use of ocean transport. Shouldn't that make the editorial writer happy?

How does shipping garbage back to the mainland hurt Hawaii's image as a tourist paradise? What, you mean other tourist spots like Tahiti or Paris or Las Vegas don't have garbage to dispose of? Yeah, sure. Do they load the outbound garbage at a pier in Waikiki? Do tour buses visit the landfill? How would tourists even know or care whether the garbage goes in a landfill or back to the mainland? And quit fretting over where the next landfill will be. There is a giant hole in the ground over at Kapaa Quarry and that's where it is going when the quarry closes. As for the editorial writer, if you are so upset about trash on Oahu then why don't you take personal responsibility and do your part to reduce it by moving to the mainland?
What a scam

Honolulu, HI

#5 Sep 30, 2009
The Ko Olina resort should pay for shipping trash to the mainland, since it it the one creating the most pressure to close the landfill.
CWD

Waianae, HI

#6 Sep 30, 2009
This decision is both economically as well as environmentally UNsustainable. The contract allows for the adjustment of the shipping fee paid by the City to the company because of increased fuel costs.

Currently, the actual cost to ship a ton of ANYTHING across the ocean is about $125 per ton. That will increase significantly over the next several years.

Although $17 million is currently available -$7 million was carried over from last fiscal year and $10 million has been appropriated for this year - when there is an even larger bump in bunker fuel prices, then the Council will be forced to readjust the budget.

Come next spring when the next fiscal year's budget and property tax rates are up for discussion, I predict that we'll be asked to put $20 million into the budget to pay for shipping our solid waste across the Pacific Ocean.

What do the voters want to cut from City services to pay for this? Or would we prefer to raise taxes?

Furthermore, the environmental costs of pouring additional greenhouse gas emissions into the air to ship a full barge 2500 miles across the Pacific Ocean - and to bring back an empty barge back from Washington State - has not yet been calculated. The only items which could be brought back on a barge are vehicles and construction equipment. Gee - just what we need.

Remember, the garbage is NOT containerized but wrapped in plastic and placed on the decks of an open-air barge. Once it arrives in Washington State, it is then transferred onto trucks and hauled some 140 miles inland to the landfill where it will be converted by the management company - Rabanco - to methane gas to be sold to utility companies to provide electricity for their customers.

It does not just sit in another landfill - our trash will be sold for a profit from which we will get nothing in return.

With respoect to the call for finding another landfill site here on O`ahu: There are specific requirements established by the EPA and the State Department of Health as to where any new landfill can be placed.

Back in 2002-2003, the Site Selection Committee identified 47 - maybe the number was 48 - different locations on O`ahu where a landfill might be placed.

By the time the EPA/DOH criteria were placed on these sites, the number had been significantly reduced.

Then, additional criteria - such as who owned the land & the cost to buy the land if it were privately owned, the access to decent roadways to bring trash to the landfill, and the additional transportation costs to haul the refuse from the landfill to H-Power - were applied to the remaining sites.

By then, only five potential sites remained.

Four of them are on the Wai`anae Coast.

By far, the site which received the most votes - more than the other four combined - was to expand Waimanalo Gulch.

To spend another $500,000 on still aother Site Selection Committee whose conclusions are less than a decade old with no changes in any of the criteria is a waste of OUR money. However, it's not coming out of the Operating Budget but the Capital Improvements Budge so that means long-term bonds will be issued to pay for the Committee's costs.

BTW - tne EPA/DOH criteria have to be followed. Doing so is not optional.

PLEASE NOTE: The City's planning assumptions are that the population of O`ahu twenty years from now will 1.4 million people - a 50% increase - and most of that will not be from births or immigration but in-migration from the North American continent.

The City also plans to deal with a 35% increase in the amount of garbage which needs to be disposed of even AFTER a full-on comprehensive curbside recycling program has been initiated and requiring that manufacturers reduce the amount of excess and throw-away packaging.

Shipping our trash will last forever.

Live Long And Prosper, Folks.
dumpnoco2

Honolulu, HI

#7 Sep 30, 2009
C'mon what a waste of taxpayer's money shipping trash to another state! These "wasteful ones" should be ashamed of their careless behavior. If these individuals would just pitch-in and do their civic duty; it would not come to this drastic measure. Reuse, Recycle, Redeem!
Remember When

Kaneohe, HI

#8 Sep 30, 2009
All I can say is we would not be in this mess if the third boiler had been built when Mayor Jeremy Harris sought the funding from the City Council. Now, five years later, the cost for the third boiler has nearly tripled.
Thanks Johnny

United States

#9 Sep 30, 2009
To quote Johnny Carson (he was referring to nuclear waste): Just send it through the US Mail. What they don't lose they'll totally destroy!
The Truth

Honolulu, HI

#11 Sep 30, 2009
For all those advocating to close Waimanalo Gukch, please state where you would ut the new landfill? And Kailua is out, because we had the landfill for 20+ years (after the houses were built mind you) and if the argument applies to Waimanalo (we've done our share) then it certianly applies to Kailua.
Calling all aces

Honolulu, HI

#12 Sep 30, 2009
Remember When wrote:
All I can say is we would not be in this mess if the third boiler had been built when Mayor Jeremy Harris sought the funding from the City Council. Now, five years later, the cost for the third boiler has nearly tripled.
That's right, and some investigave reporter type should follow up on this and examine why the third boiler was delayed for so long. I'll bet there's a real story there.
CWD

Waianae, HI

#13 Sep 30, 2009
The person responsible for delaying the construction of the third boiler at H-Power is no other than the current chair of the City Council's Public Infrastructure Committee - Ann Kobayashi.

Ann spent at least 15 minutes grilling the head of the Department of Environmental Services at a special committee meeting last week about the City's refusal to move ahead with "alternative technologies." Yes, they do exist, but the technology is currently only servicing municipalities of around 75,000 customers. It cannot be used to service the island of O`ahu until someone figures out how to expand the technology without blowing out the City's budget. Still, she keeps asking in that whiny voice of hers: I don't understaaaayannnd why we don't use it nowwwyy."

Mahalo to the folks in Council District V who voted for her a couple of months ago in the Special Election to fill the vacancy created by Duke Bainum's deathj. The rest of us are very likely to have her around for another 11 years unless she shuffs off this mortal coil before then.
Environmental Lady

Honolulu, HI

#14 Sep 30, 2009
enufalready wrote:
As long as corporations are allowed to externalize all the "disposal" costs associated with products that they mass market to consumers the garbage/waste problem will not be solved. The image of Hawaii's garbage sailing into the sunrise is a foul one, but it does reflect a certain reality in that a lot of the trash is generated by the tourists who come here. For an overview of the cycle that waste is a part of, Google 'The Story of Stuff" and spend a few minutes watching an entertaining and informative video on the subject. Here is the link; sometimes posted links do not work, so sorry if it is a dud.
http://www.storyofstuff.com/
I suggested it as well a couple of days ago. Glad that I am getting reinforcements.

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