Shipping out - Hawaii News

More than two months after its planned startup date, a private company is now ready to begin accepting Oahu's trash for shipping to a mainland dump site. Full Story
Scammers

Kapaa, HI

#1 Sep 26, 2009
cardboard???- why isn't it being recycled or burned at H-power? Thought that the shippers were only going to ship non-burnable and non-recyclable materials? At least that's what the city has been saying. What's wrong with this picture? Who's scamming who?
kapaa

Wahiawa, HI

#2 Sep 26, 2009
All of Oahu is being ripped off.Do you really want Muffi as your GOV?????
Trashy situation

Honolulu, HI

#3 Sep 26, 2009
Ko Olina, Jeff Stone and their lobbyists Todd Apo and Colleen Hanabusa should pay the $100 per ton fee to send trash to the mainland since there's a perfectly good landfill across the street from them.
Environmental Lady

Honolulu, HI

#4 Sep 26, 2009
Trashy situation wrote:
Ko Olina, Jeff Stone and their lobbyists Todd Apo and Colleen Hanabusa should pay the $100 per ton fee to send trash to the mainland since there's a perfectly good landfill across the street from them.
Absolutely NO! They were the ones who lobbied for the bottle bill which saved a lot of trash. Now, if we reduced our consumption, recycled and reused more, we wouldn't have had mountains of trash. The solution starts with us - as consumers!
Environmental Lady

Honolulu, HI

#5 Sep 26, 2009
I wanted to add that shipping our trash out is just abominable! Our island is finite, we can't just dump more and more trash. A good video to watch is "The Story of Stuff." You can view it for free on http://www.storyofstuff.com/

It's funny and light-hearted, not preachy, but it sure gets the message through!
Some guy

Kula, HI

#6 Sep 26, 2009
Environmental Lady wrote:
I wanted to add that shipping our trash out is just abominable! Our island is finite, we can't just dump more and more trash. A good video to watch is "The Story of Stuff." You can view it for free on http://www.storyofstuff.com/
It's funny and light-hearted, not preachy, but it sure gets the message through!
I'm all for recycling. I recycle everything from plastics, paper, carboard and aluminum, but unfortunately the sad truth is that not everything that we consume is recyclable. The city has just been given notice that they have only a few years left to use the current landfill. So what is your solution as to what to do with the trash that can't be recycled? If we keep dumping at our current rate, the landfill will fill up in no time...sooner than when the proposed boiler will be operational at the H-Power plant. The landfill needs relief, the H-Power boiler must be given time to be constructed and we are now out of options for a suitable place to dispose of our solid waste. Reduce, reuse and recycle is possible, but not with everything.
CWD

Waianae, HI

#7 Sep 26, 2009
Bear in mind that the contract allows for the adjustment of the shipping fee paid by the City to the company because of increased fuel costs.

Currently, the actual cost to ship a ton of ANYTHING across the ocean is about $125 per ton. That will increase significantly over the next several years.

What do YOU want to cut from City services to pay for the cost of shipping YOUR solid waste. Or would you prefer to RAISE TAXES?

Furthermore, the environmental costs of pouring additional greenhouse gas emissions into the air to ship a full barge 2500 miles across the Pacific Ocean - and to bring back an empty barge back from Washington State - has not yet been calculated. The only items which could be brought back on a barge are vehicles and construction equipment. Gee - just what we need.

Remember, the garbage is NOT containerized but wrapped in plastic and placed on the decks of the barge. Once it arrives in Washington State, it is then transferred onto trucks and hauled some 140 miles inland to the landfill where it will be converted by the management company - Rabanco - to methane gas to be sold to utility companies to provide electricity for their customers.

PLEASE NOTE: The City's planning assumptions are that the population of O`ahu twenty years from now will 1.4 million people - a 50% increase - and most of that will not be from births or immigration but in-migration from the North American continent.

Live Long And Prosper, Folks.
A Fish Out of H2O

AOL

#8 Sep 26, 2009
Recycle Now!!!!!!!!
trash talk

Wahiawa, HI

#9 Sep 26, 2009
Hanneman identifying Nanakuli as the next landfill site is plain "trash talk". He would like you to think it's a forgone conclusion. He would like you to believe that the residents of Nanakuli are ambivalent to having another dump in their backyards.

You pulled the wool over some people's eyes the last time you campaigned to have the landfill closed - foolish them. Not this time Mufi - foolish you.
CWD

Waianae, HI

#10 Sep 26, 2009
There are specific requirements established by the EPA and the State Department of Health as to where any new landfill can be placed.

Back in 2002-2003, the Site Selection Committee identified 47 - maybe the number was 48 - different locations on O`ahu where a landfill might be placed.

By the time the EPA/DOH criteria were placed on these sites, the number had been reduced to 12.

Then, additional criteria - such as who owned the land & the cost to buy the land if it were privately owned, the access to decent roadways to bring trash to the landfill, and the additional transportation costs to haul the refuse from the landfill to H-Power - were applied to the remaining sites.

By then, only five potential sites remained.

Four of them are on the Wai`anae Coast.

By far, the site which received the most votes - more than the other four combined - was to expand Waimanalo Gulch.

To spend another $500,000 on still aother Site Selection Committee whose conclusions are less than a decade old with no changes in any of the criteria is a waste of OUR money. However, it's not coming out of the Operating Budget but the Capital Improvements Budge so that means long-term bonds will be issued to pay for the Committee's costs.

If you want to be considered for this new Committee, then contact your City Councilmember and ask that you be allowed to apply. Certainly, you should also attend the meetings and offer input.

BTW - tne EPA/DOH criteria have to be followed. Doing so is not optional.
enufalready

Wailuku, HI

#11 Sep 27, 2009
trash talk wrote:
Hanneman identifying Nanakuli as the next landfill site is plain "trash talk". He would like you to think it's a forgone conclusion. He would like you to believe that the residents of Nanakuli are ambivalent to having another dump in their backyards.
You pulled the wool over some people's eyes the last time you campaigned to have the landfill closed - foolish them. Not this time Mufi - foolish you.
The opinion of the residents of Nanakuli is irrelevant. The next dump site will be in a poor, powerless, politically unsophisticated area far from Manoa, Hawaii Kai, Nuuanu and other rich areas. The decision is a foregone conclusion and will be announced after another phony hearings sideshow at which the pols will pretend to be getting "input" from the residents. Nanakuli has already been publicly mentioned as a possible site and that it to start the process of preparing the community for the inevitable despoiling of their area.

Dumps, incinerators, off shipping waste will never be able to keep up with the tsunami of consumer debris that washes onto this small island. Only a radical change that makes corporations take into account all the costs that they currently externalize onto communities will lead to change. Google "The Story of Stuff" for the big picture. Here's the link if this posting of it works. http://www.storyofstuff.com/
Save the Dump

Honolulu, HI

#13 Sep 27, 2009
The dump should stay right where it is. It's the resort across the street that is really behind the push to close it. The city council voted in 2004 to keep the dump where it is. It was the right decision, and it would be a huge waste of money to close it just because a resort moved in.
LauLau

AOL

#14 Sep 27, 2009
Step up big time, Mufi!!!!!!!!
Get real

Kula, HI

#15 Sep 27, 2009
enufalready wrote:
<quoted text>
The opinion of the residents of Nanakuli is irrelevant. The next dump site will be in a poor, powerless, politically unsophisticated area far from Manoa, Hawaii Kai, Nuuanu and other rich areas. The decision is a foregone conclusion and will be announced after another phony hearings sideshow at which the pols will pretend to be getting "input" from the residents. Nanakuli has already been publicly mentioned as a possible site and that it to start the process of preparing the community for the inevitable despoiling of their area.
Dumps, incinerators, off shipping waste will never be able to keep up with the tsunami of consumer debris that washes onto this small island. Only a radical change that makes corporations take into account all the costs that they currently externalize onto communities will lead to change. Google "The Story of Stuff" for the big picture. Here's the link if this posting of it works. http://www.storyofstuff.com/
Get real. It has nothing to do with how rich a community is. It's the amount of space. Think about it. There is simply no room to place a landfill in Manoa, Hawaii Kai, and Nuuanu. If there is, tell me where. The leeward side has more space that was once agricultural land.
Realist

Waianae, HI

#16 Sep 27, 2009
I know this big fat ugery slime ho that's big enough to fill up half the containership with her filth. But we will stay off of your mom's for the time being..or at least until we get her hoosegow b^utch carpet licker to fill up the other half.

....and there they go, on a slow boat to China...er ...I mean the Mainland where they will turn all that dirty sauce into some kind of perfume with tropical ads and everything.

I think that's preety cool...they come here and pollute Waikiki with suntan oil in the ocean and a bunch of stupid hamburger cafes along Kalakaua...and we ship them our garbage.

Good deal.

(Didn't really mean all that about your mother...but then, after they got finished doing what they were doing on the garbage scow...they decided to switch positions and.....)

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