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Lawmakers still cool to session on schools - Hawaii News

There are 31 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Nov 6, 2009, titled Lawmakers still cool to session on schools - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

House leaders again resisted calls for a special legislative session to deal with public schools, asking instead for a reopening of the state teachers' contract to restore classroom time being lost to furloughs.

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Honolulu, HI

#21 Nov 6, 2009
What are you talking about the State has no money, there is lots of money, but its in someone else's pocket. What there is my friends, is a lack of political will to go get it. Mind you I don't want them to raise taxes, I'm just stating a matter of fact.

I said this before - the union contrct is closed. If the governor, DOE and teachers all agreed to it they gotta live with it.

Parents, students, legislators, you know this was coming and said nothing until the deal was done and the furloughs were upon us. Holding a protest after the fact is just lame; you clowns forfieted you right to complain when you said nothing during negotiations. You let the furloughs happen you gotta live with it too.

Okay you "no tax guys". We live in a representative democracy, if the legislators bow to the unions, parents, administrators etc. and say something like "education is our highest priority because our future is dependent on a well educated workforce and the furloughs are contrary to this value so we are going to inplement a 5 percent sales tax (not excise tax) with an automatic sundown of 2 years and earmark the revenue for education" we gotta live with that too and all we can do is hold them rascals accountable come election time.

What ever we do, let's stop the bashing of each other. Stop calling the unions evil, the teachers lazy and the legislators stupid. Stop calling the people who don't want their taxes raised "facists". We live in a small place no need to do this kind stuff.

Honolulu, HI

#22 Nov 6, 2009
reasonable wrote:
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they didn't get the 36% raise and they also took a 13% paycut.
They did get a pay raise!! They only took a 5% pay cut. While everybody has to deal 6% to
8% pay cut. And now she UPW to take 14% pay cut. Figure that one out. I did not hear our Governor say on NO I will give up my raise.

Honolulu, HI

#23 Nov 6, 2009
"We have the ability and the power to change what's happening here," said Lee (D, Lanikai-Waimanalo). "We believe it's not something that can wait."

Ok, Rep. Lee, what you going do? Print some money? Teachers could reconsider taking pay cuts instead of furloughts but they won't do that; therefore, you have to close the schools. It's not rocket science.

Honolulu, HI

#24 Nov 6, 2009
This year every parent, every relative, and everyone who interacts with Hawaii's public school kids needs to work a bit harder. Maybe the furlough days can be fixed, maybe not. But the one thing that each and everyone of us can do, starting right now, is to use every opportunity with our kids to create learning opportunities. A trip to the grocery store is rich in learning opportunities. Ask questions and be ready to think out loud to help your children learn. Where does our food come from? Why are those growing/manufacturing regions productive? What is the economy like in those areas? How does geography affect food production? Read the newspaper with your kids. Talk about current events and discuss the reasons for these events. Go to the Friends of the Library book sales. The books are dirt cheap there. Go to public libraries: read magazines or get the free ones that are available there. Go home and make subject specific collages. Create your own Thanksgiving decorations. Plan meals with your kids. Discuss portions, get out the measuring cups and study fractions. If your kids don't already write in a journal, start one today. Go to the many homeschooling sites on the internet. Download lessons for every subject imaginable. Do something constructive and not just on Furlough Fridays. Engage kids in learning, and the joy of learning, every single day.

I don't like these Furlough Fridays at all. But we are stuck with at least some of them. This is one of those moments when we have to make lemonade from the lemons of life. As adults, we need to fight certain battles: rally at the capital, file lawsuits, participate in online discussions, and the list goes on. But carve out the time to pick up the slack caused by the shortened school year. Our kids deserve no less and they definitely deserve full commitments from their families.

And for the next legislative session, we should set a minimum number of instructional school hours or require the Board of Education to do so. We need to specify what doesn't count as instructional time such as recess and homeroom. As a matter of public policy, we need to make a statement about where we stand on the necessary time allocations for our children's education. The number of instructional hours should not be an issue for bargaining in the teachers' contract. Other states mandate this time. Why? Because these are matters of public policy, not contract issues.

See "Minimum Number of Minutes/Hours in a High School Day" at

See "What Cannot Count Toward Official Instructional Time" at

Honolulu, HI

#25 Nov 6, 2009
Pualani wrote:
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The Legislature is NOT part of the bargaining process! The Governor is the one who floated the furlough idea and I don't recall the public grumbling about furloughs being offered while the negotiations were going on. Also, taking $ from special funds is not going to cure anything. There has to be serious efforst by the DOE to find out where their $ is and setting up viable accounting system.
whew, somebody got it straight. Its basically up to the Union, the DOE and the teachers. The Union screw the teachers and hiding in the back and not taking responsibilities.

Waipahu, HI

#26 Nov 6, 2009
looking4results wrote:
a special session won't change anything because there's no money
They got 36% alright. A 13% pay cut makes it 23% raise. And they want everyone else to go negative. they are a bunch of Shammers.
lookie here

Honolulu, HI

#27 Nov 6, 2009
Xie Xie wrote:
If I remember correctly the three choices offered to teachers were:
a) 17 % cut in pay but teach the
same number of days (188).
b) Layoff and large number of
low tenured teachers.
c) Furloughs.
Choice (c) was a no brainer.
The problem is not with the's somewhere else.
close, but not the whole picture.

Gov. Lingle's initial offer was highly regressive, and took away many of the things negotiated for in previous contracts. it would have taken away almost all collective bargaining rights, grievance procedures, and almost doubled the amount of furlough days she agreed upon (17).
lookie here

Honolulu, HI

#28 Nov 6, 2009
Wordsmith wrote:
Our so-called Lawmakers have no Balls.

no balls = no bills.

Pearl City, HI

#29 Nov 7, 2009
reasonable wrote:
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they didn't get the 36% raise and they also took a 13% paycut.
Uh, the governor, cabinet and judges got raises from last year.

Wailuku, HI

#30 Nov 7, 2009
Please do not have a Special Session, because the Legislators already wasted their time and the tax-payers money this past session. Why should they pay themselves extra money and not deal with the issues. You watch, the first order of business when they go back in session in January will be to give themselves another pay raise.

Wailuku, HI

#31 Nov 7, 2009
lookie here wrote:
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no balls = no bills.
You are so right!

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