Rallies across state to protest pit b...

Rallies across state to protest pit bull ban - Hawaii News

There are 20 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Feb 4, 2009, titled Rallies across state to protest pit bull ban - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Pit bull terriers are known as a strong, courageous and loyal breed of dogs, but Hawaii politicians are finding out the dogs are nothing compared to their owners.

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Toma

Honolulu, HI

#1 Feb 4, 2009
There are more pit bulls per capita in Waianae, Hanabusa's area, than there are in any other area of Oahu. Given this fact, why would Hanabusa introduce such a stupid bill? She would offend more of her constituents than she would please the single, lone, constituent who asked her to introduce the bill.

Or is this really about Hanabusa and her personal preferences.
whateva

United States

#2 Feb 4, 2009
Toma wrote:
There are more pit bulls per capita in Waianae, Hanabusa's area, than there are in any other area of Oahu. Given this fact, why would Hanabusa introduce such a stupid bill? She would offend more of her constituents than she would please the single, lone, constituent who asked her to introduce the bill.
Or is this really about Hanabusa and her personal preferences.
It is ok because stupid people here mainly own Pit Bulls (not all) So if you are worried she will lose votes because of the concentration in her area, don't worry most of them don't vote.
JackAce

Waimanalo, HI

#3 Feb 4, 2009
whateva wrote:
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It is ok because stupid people here mainly own Pit Bulls (not all) So if you are worried she will lose votes because of the concentration in her area, don't worry most of them don't vote.
100% agree! As a matter of fact, I haven't come across one Pit Bull owner that doesn't act like a Pit Bull.
Mims

Kihei, HI

#4 Feb 4, 2009
I have known a lot of cute, cuddly, loyal pits and owners that...gave them lots of positive attention, obedience training, and exercise (were responsible masters).
Juris Doctor

Honolulu, HI

#5 Feb 4, 2009
I am appalled by the lack of civility in some of the omments. What happened to the Aloha Spirit? It is possible to disagree wihtout being disagreeable and abusive. As a matter of fact,a number of pit bull owners are responsible citizens who keep pets which reflect their owners' responsibility. In my view, owners who either train their anomals to be vicious or who make them so through ill treatment or ignorance of good dog rearing should be held responsible, either through civil or criminal penalties (depending upon the offense) for the aggressive behavior of their dogs. As the saying goes, "Ban the Deed, Not the Breed." Mahalo.
Juris Doctor

Honolulu, HI

#6 Feb 4, 2009
Sorry for the typos in my post. Somehow, the "c" was left of the word "comments." In addition, I put an "o" in the word "animals", in error.
Max lover

Wahiawa, HI

#7 Feb 5, 2009
Rally on, pit lovers! And sign the petition at www.thepetitionsite.com , or check out www.stopBSLhawaii.com ! We need our lawmakers know they CANNOT take our pups away for slaughter, which is exactly what will happen under this bill. There is no grace period as the law is written, so as soon as it passes (which I hope it won't), anyone who has a dog that looks sufficiently "pit-bull-like" can have their dog taken and destroyed, even if it has never done anything bad. There are lots of peaceful ways to make your views known, and lots of data to back up the fact that breed bans don't work!
Max lover

Wahiawa, HI

#8 Feb 5, 2009
Re: comments about pit bull owners acting like pit bulls and not voting, being ignorant, etc. I am a highly-educated professional who just happens to love pits. I vote, I pay my taxes, I rescue stray animals and rehabilitate them, and I have never had a brush with the law. All my animals are well-cared for, get plenty of exercise, training, and veterinary care, and NONE of them has ever bitten anyone. Funny thing is, the same description could be used regarding many of the other pit bull owners I know! The ignorance on display here is certainly not that of the pit owners.
big bite

Honolulu, HI

#9 Feb 5, 2009
No amount of care or training can overcome the genetic tendencies of pit bulls to be psychotic. They may be great 99% of the time but you never can tell when they gonna turn vicious that 1%. Unfortunately, it may be that it happens when a helpless victim is around, like a young child. The ignorance IS the owners who won't face this fact.
DISGUSTED

Honolulu, HI

#10 Feb 5, 2009
I am disgusted with the person who says that "stupid people mainly own Pitbulls". You sound ignorant! Stupid people exsist all over the world and most of them don't own Pitbulls. My husband and I are professional people that care for our dog and have taken every precaution to make sure he is safe and others around are safe. It's clear my dear that you are the stupid one, your comment was uneducated and just STUPID!

I think these damn law makers should come up with a solution to our economy and education. Killing dogs will not make our islands any safer, only the people that live on these islands can make that possible. Dogs are taught whatever their actions will be. Our dog was attacked by a cocker spaniel and left a whole in his face that needed stitches, he didn't bite back instead he just laid there, but of course that wasn't plastered all over the media but if my dog had attacked back he would have been killed. These law makers are so full of double standards and it's disgusting. Come up with laws that matter,laws that will help us here in Hawaii.

Any dog can attack and cause damage, blame the owners not the breed!
Kristy

Kaunakakai, HI

#11 Feb 7, 2009
The owner should be punished not the dogs.Pitbulls are one of the most living breeds.40 percent of people own pitbulls,just pitbulls not the including the other breeds that they are considering in the law. We might have to kill them all. That will be a huge mistake. It is an unjust thing to do.
blown away

Honolulu, HI

#12 Feb 9, 2009
whateva wrote:
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It is ok because stupid people here mainly own Pit Bulls (not all) So if you are worried she will lose votes because of the concentration in her area, don't worry most of them don't vote.
that is so judgemental and plain stupid to say, what area you live in does not determine how "smart" you are, as proven by you....
The Voice of Reason

Honolulu, HI

#13 Feb 9, 2009
There are strong feelings on both sides of this issue.

As a dog lover myself, I can identify with the powerful bond that develops between owner and dog over time.

On the other hand, while growing up, I was bitten by a pit bull and I can identify with the concern for public safety that arises when pit bulls live in your neighborhood. No matter how well trained the pit bull is, it remains a dangerous and unpredictable animal.

This debate is similar to the issue of owners who let their large dogs run off-leash on a public sidewalk. This act is considered illegal, but while the dog is barking and snarling at a pedestrian, the owner tells the pedestrian, "don't worry, he doesn't bite". To tell you the truth, the pedestrian has no reason to trust the dog owner and doesn't know how the dog will behave on that particular instance.

The point is that no matter how well a dog is trained to behave as desired, dogs remain animals. No matter how well trained or well treated an animal is, the possibility for that animal to disobey remains.

This lack of predictability or reliability has led to the prohibition of ownership rights for other dangerous animals. Poisonous snakes, wild cats, and other non-indigenous species have been banned by law to protect the public.

The pit bull is no less dangerous than many other prohibited animals because of its ability to seriously injure and even kill human beings. Studies have shown that the pit bull is capable of producing a higher pounds per square inch bite than most of the other canine breeds. In addition, the pit bull has been known to viciously attack both neighbors as well as even family members of owners who have treated the animal well.

While many will claim that pit bulls are "just like any other breed of canine", that assessment is simply untrue. A very cursory search for information regarding the dangerous nature of the animal yields factual accounts of people who have been maimed, permanently injured, and even killed by pit bulls. The victims range in ages from under 1 year old to elderly. The accounts are also sickening because many pit bulls have bitten young children on the face and elderly people on their legs and neck.

To cloud the information available to the public, so called animal rights groups and "pit bull lovers" have flooded the internet with misleading links. Some will be titled: "Pit bull attacks" and the link will take you to a photo album of a pit bull owner hugging her pit bull. However, a persistent person searching the internet will find the actual news stories detailing vicious attacks.

A pit bull owner whose dog attacks a member of the public and causes injury should be punished as if the attack was done by the owner herself. Pit bull owners know that they own a dangerous animal that is capable of seriously injuring others. The choice to own that breed of dog should carry the risk of bearing the punishment for the dog's actions.
I love my Pit

Kaneohe, HI

#14 Feb 15, 2009
I agree that although many smaller breeds are more aggressive, it's true that the likelihood of being killed by a Chihuahua is slim. But, what about the other large, aggressive breeds? German sheperds? Rottweilers? I have been chased and scared silly by several German sheperds myself. I totally agree that we need to look at the owners and not punish the entire breed. If they get rid of pit bulls, I'm sure that we will see a rise in other breed dog bites. Bad owners will find other breeds and this will continue. So, we need to find another solution. This will not be the quick fix to this problem. Plus, it would just kill me to lead our dog to the pound and to certain death. I ask you, could you do it to your dog? I hope the answer would be no.
Tita Nanakuli

Ewa Beach, HI

#15 Feb 16, 2009
PillBull must go cause of the owners,they just don't take care of them.
I love my Pits

Englewood, FL

#16 May 7, 2009
I no longer live in Hawaii but plan on returning here in a couple of years. I currently reside in Tampa Florida and own 3 American Pit Bull Terriers. Once the APBT was introduced into America it was bred to fight other dogs but at the same time be a loyal family member. What people don't seem to understand is that it is not in a Pit Bulls nature or tendencies to attack a human being. When they were first being bred, any dog that showed any sign of aggression toward a human being was killed immediately. They refused to breed that dog or keep it alive because they were bred to be loyal and friendly to their masters. Blue Pits were bred as show dogs not for fighting. Yes Pit Bulls can be very dangerous dog if raised the wrong way or have irresponsible owners. They are in a way just like any other breed of dog, any dog can bite. The difference is in the size and power of this breed. People need to look at the facts surrounding the situations as well. There was a Pit Bull attack here in Tampa not too long ago and the first official report was that this lady saw 2 Pits attacking her cat and she went to break it up and the dogs turned on her. First of all you never break up a dog fight regardless of the breed. Later on we came to find out that this lady "breaking up" the fight actually took a wooden chair and started beating the dogs with it before they turned on her. This does not mean it happens in every case but it just goes to show that sometimes there are other reasons a dog attacks. Owners are the number one cause for dog attacks in any breed. Pit Bull attacks are higher than any other breed but you also have to look at the fact that Pit Bulls are also the number one populated dog in the US. Of course the statistics say they should be the highest attackers just by pure numbers. Instead of banning this particular breed of dog why not require a certificate to own this breed or any breed that is of a certain size. When it comes down to it, it is not the breed itself but the size and power which can be found in many breeds of dogs. Even temperment tests have shown that Pits have less aggressive tendencies than most popular "family type" dogs. Don't punish the breed and responsible owners because "gangsters" and irresponsible owners are too stupid to raise a dog the right way. By banning Pits you only make it so that another breed is going to be exploited in the future. It was the same with Rotwielers and Dobermans before the Pit Bull craze even came about. Just make it harder to be able to own a Pit, either by taking a responsible large breed ownership class or some sort of requirement or license to own one. I think most Pit lovers would go the extra mile to keep their beloved family members. There needs to be some sort of compromise where everyone can be happy, I don't like going to the pet store and my Pits being the most behaved dogs there but yet the only ones anyone is scared of. Its not fair to me or my dogs, they have never bitten anyone or anything. They sleep with a cat and are great with my 3 year old daughter. I have had my parents beagle bite 2 of my dogs on 2 separate occasions, my dogs bark once and leave the area with no fighting back and no signs of aggression. I just spent $7000 on a surgery for one of them because they are a member of my family and my wife and I love them all very much. The dogs are only dangerous when the owners are dangerous and teach them to be dangerous. Dogs live to please there masters or "pack leaders" and do what they think you want them to do. Or it can sometimes be frustration from not getting enough exercise or from being neglected or abused. But in any case that is all the fault of the owner. Punish the owners, not the breed.
pit lover

San Antonio, TX

#17 May 30, 2009
I am a fond lover of pit bulls. you have no idea how much affection and love i have for them. i dont see the point of having to make the dogs pay for the mistakes that was made by the owner. i take very good care of my dogs and would hate to see them taken away from me because of others mistakes. Pit Bulls cant fend for themselves when it comes to politics and it take us, those who actually care, to fight for them. Pit Bulls should be given a chance, its not the dog,
its the owner.
DA MEAN

Honolulu, HI

#18 Oct 13, 2009
take da land now the pitz no can
Mark Jenssen

Honolulu, HI

#19 Oct 27, 2009
A pitbull attacked and killed by friend's Minpni yesterday. He was walking the dog on a leash and the pitbull was loose. If we cannot ban this breed can we at least pass strict laws that will protect people and pets from thier aggressive attacks?
Shosei

Ewa Beach, HI

#20 Oct 27, 2009
Mark Jenssen wrote:
A pitbull attacked and killed by friend's Minpni yesterday. He was walking the dog on a leash and the pitbull was loose. If we cannot ban this breed can we at least pass strict laws that will protect people and pets from thier aggressive attacks?
I agree. I always felt there was total lack of accountability by owners when their pitbull maim or kill someone. Sorry to about your friend's Minpni.

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