Closure proposal affects 3 libraries ...

Closure proposal affects 3 libraries on Maui, Big Isle - Hawaii...

There are 21 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Aug 25, 2009, titled Closure proposal affects 3 libraries on Maui, Big Isle - Hawaii.... In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Maui businesswoman Joan McKelvey is upset about a proposal to close the Lahaina Public Library, because the next nearest library is more than 20 miles away in Wailuku.

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LibaryUser

Kapolei, HI

#1 Aug 25, 2009
Close down a bunch of the library's in Honolulu. A bunch of them only a mile or two away from each other on major bus lines. No need to have that many in a concentrated area.
Kimo Da Cable Guy

Mililani, HI

#2 Aug 25, 2009
State Librarian Burns is another example of why so many people make fun of state workers for being dumbos. First he proposes closing libraries used by schools - about as dopey a move as one can imagine. Now he wants to close the Lahaina library, which is heavily used judging from the times I've been there.(But to correct Joan McKelvey the nearest library to Lahaina is in Kihei, not Wailuku.) How about closing Aina Haina, which is sandwiched between larger libraries in Hawaii Kai and Kaimuki?(And don't try to tell me people in Aina Haina can't afford cars to drive 10 minutes either way.) Or Aiea, another smaller facility close to larger libraries at Pearl City and Salt Lake? If you are looking for workers, take some from Pearl City which always looks overstaffed with sleepy-eyed employees. And next time don't blow your budget on building the Taj Mahal of libraries out in Kapolei while people in Kailua and Manoa, who have been paying taxes for many more years, make do with much tinier facilities.
Kimo Da Cable Guy

Mililani, HI

#3 Aug 25, 2009
LibaryUser wrote:
Close down a bunch of the library's in Honolulu. A bunch of them only a mile or two away from each other on major bus lines. No need to have that many in a concentrated area.
Next time you are at the library, try using the dictionary. You will find there is no such word as "Libary."
konapaddler

United States

#4 Aug 25, 2009
Holualoa library is widely used - what are they thinking?
big isle

Hilo, HI

#5 Aug 25, 2009
It's Lingle's way of keeping the masses ignorant and out of touch. That way she can feed the masses any line of **** with hopes that they'll believe her. Lingle and her oppointed officials are a disgrace and menace to society.
Al Beeman

Kailua, HI

#6 Aug 25, 2009
Sorry to state the obvious but what is needed is to get rid of the centralized Board of Education and let each Island control its own destiny. Firing that useless bunch would save all money needed to keep the libraries open!

Beyond that, I would suggest the "less than august body" consider allowing the library staff shortfalls to be filled with local volunteers who would be happy to perform this vital community service.

Also, I think we should also consider advancing a 100% virtual library concept where you can get/do everything via the Internet. It will save lots of money and the existing facilities could be turned into community centers with quiet places to read, do homework, etc. but also have computer game rooms, home tutors, etc. Also after school babysitting, a play ground, etc. AND of course Virtual Library webstations and printers.
reporting

Honolulu, HI

#7 Aug 25, 2009
konapaddler wrote:
Holualoa library is widely used - what are they thinking?
Despite usage statistics, the problem is staffing. All the staff either retired, quit or transferred, and they are not able to open with just one person on staff (as they have now). Since the library can't hire anyone, and Lingle is making Burns get rid of all the substitutes to save money, that is the actual reason.
reporting

Honolulu, HI

#8 Aug 25, 2009
Kimo Da Cable Guy wrote:
State Librarian Burns is another example of why so many people make fun of state workers for being dumbos. First he proposes closing libraries used by schools - about as dopey a move as one can imagine. Now he wants to close the Lahaina library, which is heavily used judging from the times I've been there.(But to correct Joan McKelvey the nearest library to Lahaina is in Kihei, not Wailuku.) How about closing Aina Haina, which is sandwiched between larger libraries in Hawaii Kai and Kaimuki?(And don't try to tell me people in Aina Haina can't afford cars to drive 10 minutes either way.) Or Aiea, another smaller facility close to larger libraries at Pearl City and Salt Lake? If you are looking for workers, take some from Pearl City which always looks overstaffed with sleepy-eyed employees. And next time don't blow your budget on building the Taj Mahal of libraries out in Kapolei while people in Kailua and Manoa, who have been paying taxes for many more years, make do with much tinier facilities.
Your points are all well observed. Oahu has libraries close to each other that could be consolidated. He probably has personal relationships with the staff at those facilities or other reasons that are not on the surface. When his initial budget was restricted by 15% late last year, he made an official response to Gov. Lingle that any other budget restrictions would result in library consolidations and closures. This additional 8% restriction puts him at 23% and now he must stand by his word.

The other smart thing he could do is work with the 100+ employees that are eligible for retirement to step aside to help with the furlough/layoff side of the equation. There are about 500 employees, and if the ones cleared to retire actually did, this would save about 20%, which is enough to cover most of his budget shortfall.

oh, and about Kapolei Library being the "Taj Mahal" I believe most of that blame goes to the politicians who accepted "donations" to their campaigns from private developers in order to smile for the camera at the groundbreaking ceremony. See the link for the picture of Lingle accepting a check from Campbell estate: http://govsvr1.hawaii.gov/govgallery/main.php...
The Library falls under the BOE and has not had their budget changed since Cayatano crippled the system in the mid-1990's. The library system would not be able to afford this amount of spending.
Heartlight3 - Maui

Makawao, HI

#9 Aug 25, 2009
I would think the idea mentioned above of using local volunteers would be preferable to closing the libraries. There is a concept called a "workaround" where if a problem presents itself that is not solvable by existing protocol, you try to find another way to solve it that may not be the usual way, but that works. It requires a little creativity and imagination, which seems to be in short supply these days, but I'm sure there are other options than closing the libraries.
reporting

Honolulu, HI

#10 Aug 25, 2009
Article: State shows off bookless Kapolei Library
Article from: Honolulu Star - Bulletin
Article date: May 30, 2002
Author: Asato, Lisa

School board member Meyer Ueoka walked into the Kapolei Public Library yesterday and wondered aloud, "Is this a white elephant?"

Display cases are empty, shelves devoid of books, and there are no chairs or tables.

Expected to open in July 2003, the Kapolei library is now slated to open at the earliest in December 2003 because the state Legislature provided $267,000 to pay for five staff positions and overhead costs, but it did not provide money for books and other essentials.
reporting

Honolulu, HI

#11 Aug 25, 2009
http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/storie...

More good reading. Not the paragraph where it a study estimates the Library system pumps $20 mil into the state economy.
Doing the right thing

Honolulu, HI

#12 Aug 25, 2009
When I have ideas about what books I am interested in, I research the books on line then check the reviews at Amazon.com .(Anyone have a better idea?)
I then use the public library site on the internet to reserve the books, when they come in I library to pick them up when they come in.
The Libraries could save money if they send you a notice on line that the books have come in, but they want to pay the postage.
Here is the link to Hawaii Public Libraries, you need a library card to reserve the books.
[ http://www.librarieshawaii.org/ ]

I guess that is what the people on Maui have to do. If we had the super ferry they could drive over to the libraries on Oahu! haha

Have a Great Day!
reporting

Honolulu, HI

#13 Aug 25, 2009
sorry, ment to say "Note the paragraph..."
reporting

Honolulu, HI

#14 Aug 25, 2009
Doing the right thing wrote:
The Libraries could save money if they send you a notice on line that the books have come in, but they want to pay the postage.
Here is the link to Hawaii Public Libraries, you need a library card to reserve the books.
If you visit and read the link that you posted, you would find this link, which allows you to receive an email notice when a book is ready for pickup. Please spread the word! http://www.librarieshawaii.org/information/em...
My-Two-Cents

Honolulu, HI

#15 Aug 25, 2009
The library system does offer email notification of reserved materials. This should eliminate postage costs.

http://www.librarieshawaii.org/information/em...
Doing the right thing wrote:
When I have ideas about what books I am interested in, I research the books on line then check the reviews at Amazon.com .(Anyone have a better idea?)
I then use the public library site on the internet to reserve the books, when they come in I library to pick them up when they come in.
The Libraries could save money if they send you a notice on line that the books have come in, but they want to pay the postage.
Here is the link to Hawaii Public Libraries, you need a library card to reserve the books.
[ http://www.librarieshawaii.org/ ]
I guess that is what the people on Maui have to do. If we had the super ferry they could drive over to the libraries on Oahu! haha
Have a Great Day!
John Kamaka

Honolulu, HI

#16 Aug 25, 2009
reporting wrote:
Article: State shows off bookless Kapolei Library
Article from: Honolulu Star - Bulletin
Article date: May 30, 2002
Author: Asato, Lisa
School board member Meyer Ueoka walked into the Kapolei Public Library yesterday and wondered aloud, "Is this a white elephant?"
Display cases are empty, shelves devoid of books, and there are no chairs or tables.
Expected to open in July 2003, the Kapolei library is now slated to open at the earliest in December 2003 because the state Legislature provided $267,000 to pay for five staff positions and overhead costs, but it did not provide money for books and other essentials.
It's because the priority is for CONSTRUCTION, the most corrupt infested "business" with cronyisum from the top to bottom, did someone actually did an audit on where the tax money allocated to Kapolei went to?

Certainly the primary reason for building this never went to the children or community is was intended to. It went into the pockets of CROOKS...plain and simple.

Surely by the way DOE "allocates" non-bid contracts in the tune of $900 MILLION each year, makes one wonder who's hand is in the "cookie jar"?
Da Library Guy

Honolulu, HI

#17 Aug 25, 2009
Proximity, by itself, is not the most efficient way of determining which libraries should be closed. A more important factor is library usage. If a library is not being used, even if it is the only library for several miles, why not close that one? Why close a library that is closer to other libraries, but busier? Closing a facility that is busy doesn't make sense in government just as it doesn't make sense in the private sector.
LibaryUser wrote:
Close down a bunch of the library's in Honolulu. A bunch of them only a mile or two away from each other on major bus lines. No need to have that many in a concentrated area.
Da Library Guy

Honolulu, HI

#18 Aug 25, 2009
The state librarian is privy to information that you just don't have. Unlike you, he is not simply making observations or selecting libraries based upon his emotions. He has the statistics to back up his decisions, statistics such as staff size and library usage. As for the comments on Pearl City library's staff and the decision to build Kapolei library, it's so far off base. I've also been to Pearl City Library and have not seen staff members sleeping on the job. And if they do look sleepy, did you ever think that maybe they might be a little tired from having worked hard all day? Do you ever look tired from working? If so, don't judge. As for Kapolei Library, it is not a Taj Mahal. The growth on this island is not on the Windward side, but the Leeward. With that many more people living on that side, it's logical to see that they would need a bigger facility than in a place where there is less growth. Please do a little research before making such blanket statements.
Kimo Da Cable Guy wrote:
State Librarian Burns is another example of why so many people make fun of state workers for being dumbos. First he proposes closing libraries used by schools - about as dopey a move as one can imagine. Now he wants to close the Lahaina library, which is heavily used judging from the times I've been there.(But to correct Joan McKelvey the nearest library to Lahaina is in Kihei, not Wailuku.) How about closing Aina Haina, which is sandwiched between larger libraries in Hawaii Kai and Kaimuki?(And don't try to tell me people in Aina Haina can't afford cars to drive 10 minutes either way.) Or Aiea, another smaller facility close to larger libraries at Pearl City and Salt Lake? If you are looking for workers, take some from Pearl City which always looks overstaffed with sleepy-eyed employees. And next time don't blow your budget on building the Taj Mahal of libraries out in Kapolei while people in Kailua and Manoa, who have been paying taxes for many more years, make do with much tinier facilities.
Kamoana

Honolulu, HI

#19 Aug 25, 2009
Da Library Guy wrote:
The state librarian is privy to information that you just don't have. Unlike you, he is not simply making observations or selecting libraries based upon his emotions. He has the statistics to back up his decisions, statistics such as staff size and library usage. As for the comments on Pearl City library's staff and the decision to build Kapolei library, it's so far off base. I've also been to Pearl City Library and have not seen staff members sleeping on the job. And if they do look sleepy, did you ever think that maybe they might be a little tired from having worked hard all day? Do you ever look tired from working? If so, don't judge. As for Kapolei Library, it is not a Taj Mahal. The growth on this island is not on the Windward side, but the Leeward. With that many more people living on that side, it's logical to see that they would need a bigger facility than in a place where there is less growth. Please do a little research before making such blanket statements.
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Everything you stated was so right on the mark.
Some people love to start fires with what they have to say, with no ignition.
If they (those making blanket statements about things they really are just guessing at) were to sit down and take a look at the reality of this situation, and the financial numbers involved...their mouths would be hanging open, with a sudden case of "cat got their tongue syndrome".
I don't believe they are thinking/speaking rationally.
Kamoana

Honolulu, HI

#20 Aug 25, 2009
lol, My post states I am from Midway, Ut. But I am a local! Live in Honolulu.

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