Hawaii Governor Vetoes Civil Unions B...

Hawaii Governor Vetoes Civil Unions Bill After Weeks Of Stalling

There are 561 comments on the www.huffingtonpost.com story from Jul 6, 2010, titled Hawaii Governor Vetoes Civil Unions Bill After Weeks Of Stalling. In it, www.huffingtonpost.com reports that:

Hawaii's governor on Tuesday vetoed legislation that would have permitted same-sex civil unions, ending months of speculation on how she would weigh in on the contentious, emotional debate.

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Since: Jan 07

Utica, MI

#1 Jul 6, 2010
Not surprised. Quoting the governor, from the article:

"I have been open and consistent in my opposition to same-gender marriage, and find that House Bill 444 is essentially marriage by another name."

Then why did she make us all wait? Because she was engaged in deep contemplation of the issues? I'd sooner think it was deep contemplation of her own political career.

What she has essentially told gay Hawaiians is that in her judgment, they don't deserve equality. She has told them they don't deserve the experience of being married. She has told them they don't deserve any status for their relationships. And she has told them that they don't deserve to be considered a family.

Quoting the governor again: "The subject of this legislation has touched the hearts and minds of our citizens as no other social issue of our day"

Well, clearly it hasn't touched hers. Oh, I guess that would require her to actually use her heart to feel something, and her mind to reason with compassion.

Further quoting the governor: "It would be a mistake to allow a decision of this magnitude to be made by one individual or a small group of elected officials."

Such hypocrisy. The decision was made by one individual - Governor Lingle - overriding the people's elected representatives - people whose job it is to make decisions of great magnitude on behalf of those they represent.

Shame on you, Governor Lingle. Shame and Ignominy.

“Trump fixing Obama's mess”

Since: Mar 09

& Making America Great Again!

#3 Jul 6, 2010
This is a GREAT day for Hawaii and a GREAT day for our country!

THANK YOU GOVERNOR LINGLE FOR OBEYING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE....YOU ARE A TRUE LEADER!!

Since: May 09

Marin County, CA

#5 Jul 6, 2010
Dingleberry's legacy = bigot.

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Since: Mar 09

& Making America Great Again!

#6 Jul 6, 2010
Lingle 2012!!!

Since: May 09

Marin County, CA

#7 Jul 6, 2010
American_Infidel wrote:
This is a GREAT day for Hawaii and a GREAT day for our country!
THANK YOU GOVERNOR LINGLE FOR OBEYING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE....YOU ARE A TRUE LEADER!!
She represents Gay/Lesbian citizens TOO. She has an OBLIGATION to protect the FULLY EQUAL FREEDOMS of EVERY citizen - not just the tyrannical majority who lays claim to "the will of the people." Her actions are bigoted and will be overturned in time, leaving her a legacy of being a bigot instead of a true American heroine like Rosa Parks or a civil rights leader such as MLK, Jr.

Her choice, her legacy.

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Since: Mar 09

& Making America Great Again!

#8 Jul 6, 2010
Joe in Novato wrote:
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She represents Gay/Lesbian citizens TOO. She has an OBLIGATION to protect the FULLY EQUAL FREEDOMS of EVERY citizen - not just the tyrannical majority who lays claim to "the will of the people." Her actions are bigoted and will be overturned in time, leaving her a legacy of being a bigot instead of a true American heroine like Rosa Parks or a civil rights leader such as MLK, Jr.
Her choice, her legacy.
Her legacy will be obeying the will of the people of Hawaii which means she will go down in Hawaii's history books as one of the greatest leaders of Hawaii.

Maybe if you people were a little more humble in your wishes instead of being demanding in-your-face militant flaming gays the bill might have had a chance.

Meh...I doubt it.

LOL

Since: May 09

Marin County, CA

#9 Jul 6, 2010
American_Infidel wrote:
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Her legacy will be obeying the will of the people of Hawaii which means she will go down in Hawaii's history books as one of the greatest leaders of Hawaii.
Maybe if you people were a little more humble in your wishes instead of being demanding in-your-face militant flaming gays the bill might have had a chance.
Meh...I doubt it.
LOL
She's already destroyed any positive legacy she may otherwise have had. She will be poorly judged in history books.

She spat on the very core values that America stands for - Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and the revered belief that ALL men are created EQUAL.

She has nothing to be proud of.

“Brutally honest. ”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#10 Jul 6, 2010
American_Infidel wrote:
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Her legacy will be obeying the will of the people of Hawaii which means she will go down in Hawaii's history books as one of the greatest leaders of Hawaii.
Maybe if you people were a little more humble in your wishes instead of being demanding in-your-face militant flaming gays the bill might have had a chance.
Meh...I doubt it.
LOL
You have "OBAMA SUCKS" on your banner.

Clearly, you don't give a flying fuck about the will of the people. You just care about your own personal views and you want things to go YOUR way, and when the "will of the people" upholds what you consider to be moral and correct, you are all for it. But when the will of the people elects someone that is qualified and capable of running office, I'm sure you did a little hissy fit, stomping your feet and crying about how Obama doesn't represent the "moral majority" of America.

In other words...

YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.

And therefore, your opinion on the matter, while it may be a strong opinion, is an invalid opinion. You essentially have proven yourself to be an idiot, and in my opinion, I'd figure you to be a WASP. If you don't know what that is, look it up. If you are incapable of looking it up, get off the computer and try to figure out that this country is not dependant on the will of the people when it comes to civil rights.

Since: May 09

Marin County, CA

#11 Jul 6, 2010
American_Infidel wrote:
Lingle 2012!!!
DINGLEBERRY - retiring in disgrace just like "W".
alice

Waterloo, Canada

#12 Jul 6, 2010
Please do not feed the trolls (I.e., Am Infidel, Carole, etc.). Thx
Duped since birth

Birmingham, MI

#13 Jul 6, 2010
It's sad to see, once again, the "aloha" of the 50th state being further tarnished. Making sure that one group of humans is not accorded the same respect and the same rights as all the others. Hawaii is (was?) such a melting pot of cultures and groups, I was always awed by its welcoming nature. Not so much any more.

So making a decision on something like this merely requires weighing the yays and nays in the letters she received? And a 60:40 split means the nays win? Despite the action of the elected legislature? What if it had been 52:48? Were duplicate letters from the same persons tossed out in coming up with the 60% against? This is how one governs? I didn't realize it was so easy. Perhaps one might consider that, in some cases, the "will of the majority" is not the right, just, or moral course.

I am sorry for my brothers and sisters in Hawaii, once again not even allowed a seat at the back of the bus.

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Since: Mar 09

& Making America Great Again!

#14 Jul 6, 2010
Thank you once again Governor Lingle for listening to we the people unlike the Nazi in the WH who routinely ignores the will of the people and does whatever the hell he wants.

Palin, Breyer, Lingle, Bachman...Watch out liberals...these Conservative women know how to kick some ass.

NO GUTS, NO GLORY.

WOOHOO!!!
Duped since birth

Birmingham, MI

#16 Jul 6, 2010
Message to children of gay parents: "Sorry, kids, your parents aren't as good as other parents, and I cannot in good conscience allow them any of the benefits that we extend to other families." Not as good as the Samoan down the street who regularly beats his wife. Not as good as the Filipino next door who kicked his son out of the house when he found out the boy was gay, but who goes to his church every Sunday. Not as good as the haole dude who is marrying his 5th wife. And certainly not as good as the members of the various religious groups who have made Hawaii their vacation destination in order to vilify gay people.

It appears that the missionary influence in Hawaii is still strong. How unfortunate.
Duped since birth

Birmingham, MI

#17 Jul 6, 2010
American_Infidel wrote:
Palin, Breyer, Lingle, Bachman...Watch out liberals...these Conservative women know how to kick some ass.
And where would these pathetic souls be if people before them had not denounced, and overcome, the stigma of being born without a penis? They'd be just where you'd want them - at home, barefoot and pregnant. Ineligible to vote. Not eligible to even hold public office, much less spout off their hateful and twisted rhetoric in the public square.

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Since: Mar 09

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#18 Jul 6, 2010
Duped since birth wrote:
Message to children of gay parents: "Sorry, kids, your parents aren't as good as other parents, and I cannot in good conscience allow them any of the benefits that we extend to other families." Not as good as the Samoan down the street who regularly beats his wife. Not as good as the Filipino next door who kicked his son out of the house when he found out the boy was gay, but who goes to his church every Sunday. Not as good as the haole dude who is marrying his 5th wife. And certainly not as good as the members of the various religious groups who have made Hawaii their vacation destination in order to vilify gay people.
It appears that the missionary influence in Hawaii is still strong. How unfortunate.
Oh yes, use the worst case scenario as a desperate attempt to further your gay agenda.

We win,you lose... get over it.

“Brutally honest. ”

Since: Nov 08

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#19 Jul 7, 2010
American_Infidel wrote:
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Oh yes, use the worst case scenario as a desperate attempt to further your gay agenda.
We win,you lose... get over it.
52% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce.

Over 70% of families are dysfunctional.

Approximately 60 million Americans have survived child abuse.

4 children are reported to die a day by abuse.

You might think it's a worst-case scenario, but there are realities, and the reality remains. And what is the one thing that provides stability in a household? Married parents.

“Trump fixing Obama's mess”

Since: Mar 09

& Making America Great Again!

#20 Jul 7, 2010
whitefalcon1678 wrote:
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52% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce.
Over 70% of families are dysfunctional.
Approximately 60 million Americans have survived child abuse.
4 children are reported to die a day by abuse.
You might think it's a worst-case scenario, but there are realities, and the reality remains. And what is the one thing that provides stability in a household? Married parents.
Credible link??

By the way, if the institution of marriage is a failure why do you people want so desperately to be a part of it?? You can't say something is a failure and then say you want to be a part of it. That's retarded.
Ducksoup

Honolulu, HI

#21 Jul 7, 2010
Duped since birth wrote:
Making sure that one group of humans is not accorded the same respect and the same rights as all the others. Hawaii is (was?) such a melting pot of cultures and groups, I was always awed by its welcoming nature. Not so much any more.
So making a decision on something like this merely requires weighing the yays and nays A 60:40 split means the nays win? Despite the action of the elected legislature? What if it had been 52:48? Were duplicate letters from the same persons tossed out in coming up with the 60% against? This is how one governs? I didn't realize it was so easy. Perhaps one might consider that, in some cases, the "will of the majority" is not the right, just, or moral course.
I am sorry for my brothers and sisters in Hawaii, once again not even allowed a seat at the back of the bus.
The Hawaii public had a vote on this issue in 1998 and the results were 73% against same sex unions, 27% in support of same sex unions.

The Gov is correct... If you want to know what the people want....let the people who vote decide on it AGAIN at the ballot box.

Again, the local Hawaii voter will say no to same sex unions just as they did in 1998.

What special rights do same sex folks not have that they need right now that a straight couple has? Anybody?

“Brutally honest. ”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#23 Jul 7, 2010
American_Infidel wrote:
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Credible link??
By the way, if the institution of marriage is a failure why do you people want so desperately to be a part of it?? You can't say something is a failure and then say you want to be a part of it. That's retarded.
Why do you care whether or not we are a part of it? If it's such a failure, surely you want us to learn the hard way? Or do you want to keep the only thing that makes you feel superior to other human beings?

Here are a few questions.

If the institution of marriage is about committment, then why is the divorce rate so high?

If it's about morality, then why do rapists and child molesters and murderers get to be a part of this institution while in prison?

If it's about procreation, then why do sterile people and people who are past child-bearing age get to be married?

http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/statsinfo/ni...

“Brutally honest. ”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#24 Jul 7, 2010
Ducksoup wrote:
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The Hawaii public had a vote on this issue in 1998 and the results were 73% against same sex unions, 27% in support of same sex unions.
The Gov is correct... If you want to know what the people want....let the people who vote decide on it AGAIN at the ballot box.
Again, the local Hawaii voter will say no to same sex unions just as they did in 1998.
What special rights do same sex folks not have that they need right now that a straight couple has? Anybody?
Hmm. You have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. You do not have the right to marry someone of the same sex.

You simply think they are "special" rights because you do not WANT to marry someone of the same sex.

Until you realize that marriage is about compatibility with the person of your choice, you won't get that. And because you don't get that, you don't understand the dilemma of not feeling compatible with someone of the opposite sex. Your lack of interest in the same sex is the same feeling that gays and lesbians have towards the opposite sex. We're not asking for special rights, just the rights that you get when you marry the person of your choice.

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