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Marauder
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halemalu wrote: in comparison to police in canada, the police here are scary. i have never been in trouble with them myself but i have seen them arrest a friend who is on pills for a mental problem. he was married to an even more mentally unstable woman at the time who after one of her temper tantrums threw him and his stuff out of the door and put a restraining order against him. he went to maui he had no money and he tried to get help over there and a place to stay. then she phoned him and begged him to come back. he gave in, but as soon as he showed up at her door, the police came and handcuffed him. inspite of her pleas they arrested him and escorted him to a prison on maui where they kept him for two days and then let him go. there was no money for food, medication or a way for him to get back home.
not only did this cost perhaps over a thousand dollars of taxpayer money, but they left a sick person in a predicament. i wonder how often this thing happens. police should not act like machines who blindly follow rules but they should evaluate each situation.
i am happy to say that our friend is doing well with the help of a room to stay and medical care, even parttime jobs over on maui.
another incident here was when police man-handled and bruised up an 80 year old frail woman. Didn't we cover these issues in another forum? Unfortunately, the police on Molokai are the only social workers available during non-working hours. Your friend violated the restraining order issued by the judge so don't blame the cops. You need to tell the whole story of the 80 year old woman because there's always two sides to a story. Let me guess, you didn't actually witness the incident with that woman, did you? The Kaunakakai Coconut Wireless often takes some twists and turns as the messages are forwareded. Sometimes people don't give cops much of a choice and, regardless of the person's age or sex, appropriate action must be taken so don't use this forum that talks about youthful explorers to promote your ideas about police officers. If you have a legitimate beef, take it up with the district commander, K-kai 5355.
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Homey
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elijahhawaii
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whatever helps you obstinately arrogant guys sleep at night with those heavy blinders on....
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“in all things be pono, aloha”
Joined: Aug 1, 2007
moloka'I, hawaii
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well, my oh my! i stepped on holier than thou ground here! i have several stories of reasons why cops scare me. i guess i was just too well sheltered (which is my problem). there is one case which i tried to take up with them with no success. it's like talking to deaf ears. this world is helter skelter, just nuts! i rest my case.
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Marauder
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halemalu wrote: well, my oh my! i stepped on holier than thou ground here! i have several stories of reasons why cops scare me. i guess i was just too well sheltered (which is my problem). there is one case which i tried to take up with them with no success. it's like talking to deaf ears. this world is helter skelter, just nuts! i rest my case. Sorry, I don't understand. You can speak directly. Holy ground, Charles Manson, I don't get it and am trying to understand.
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pali
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elijahhawaii wrote: whatever helps you obstinately arrogant guys sleep at night with those heavy blinders on.... You sound jealous. Maybe with good reason as our club has high standards and requires many rigorous steps for membership. And once in we are always under a microscope and remaining a member is a challenge few could or would accomplish. You confuse arrogance with pride and obstinance with fortitude. Pay the ticket.
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Joined: Nov 24, 2007
Paia, Maui
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The ONE
by Chief Jeff Chudwin
This article first appeared in the
Illinois Tactical Officers Association magazine
"Out of every 100 men, ten shouldn't even be there,
Eighty are just targets,
Nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle.
Ah, but the one,
One is a warrior,
And he will bring the others back."
-- Heraclitus
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Samantha
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Pule wrote: The ONE
by Chief Jeff Chudwin
This article first appeared in the
Illinois Tactical Officers Association magazine
"Out of every 100 men, ten shouldn't even be there,
Eighty are just targets,
Nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle.
Ah, but the one,
One is a warrior,
And he will bring the others back."
-- Heraclitus Heraclitus?! Is that for real? Well anyway, it sounds funny! LOL
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Samantha
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halemalu wrote: well, my oh my! i stepped on holier than thou ground here! i have several stories of reasons why cops scare me. i guess i was just too well sheltered (which is my problem). there is one case which i tried to take up with them with no success. it's like talking to deaf ears. this world is helter skelter, just nuts! i rest my case. Hi dear halemalu, why do you say this is holier ground? The topic is about a HPD program, so expect to be questioned if you say unkind things about law enforcement. They are not giving you a hard time either, and it does seem like they are trying to understand what you are complaining about. You, in turn, should also listen to what they have to say as well. It's not a one way street. Actually, the only ones that should be afraid of the police, are the ones who break the law. period.
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Pule
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A good modern example is SEAL Lt. Michael Murphy USN Medal of Honor. Warrors all.
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“in all things be pono, aloha”
Joined: Aug 1, 2007
moloka'I, hawaii
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i am all for law enforcement but at the same time they don't need to bully regular decent folks. sorry, i am not used to it. that is all i have to say on this subject.
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Perhaps
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halemalu wrote: i am all for law enforcement but at the same time they don't need to bully regular decent folks. sorry, i am not used to it. that is all i have to say on this subject. perhaps "regular decent folks" need to obey ordinances and statutes. that would avoid 'negative' run-ins with police.
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Schwetty Nutts
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Perhaps wrote: <quoted text>
perhaps "regular decent folks" need to obey ordinances and statutes. that would avoid 'negative' run-ins with police. Exactly. If the officers says "excuse me ma'am, can I please see your ID?" and you say "no, I am a decent regular fold, so please go away", then something is wrong with you. Comply, and the experience is painless. Let the officers do their job and move on. Make it harder for them, then they need to work harder and use their "investigative skills", and that may not be a pleasant experience (for you!).
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Krusty
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Aren't we all regular decent folk?
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Krusty
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elijahhawaii wrote: whatever helps you obstinately arrogant guys sleep at night with those heavy blinders on.... Why don't you tell them how you do it?!!
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2dollars
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I think another post in the Advertiser forum brings up a good idea that many of my friends on the Mainland always bring up. We should separate the police from traffic offenses; We should have another unit of highway patrol like CHIPs. It seems as most of the posters who have had negative experiences with officers has been because of suspected traffic violations. This breeds a bad attitude towards law enforcement from otherwise good citizens which doesn't help in the prevention of more violent crimes. Maybe police officers would rather concentrate on real crime rather than doing things like "click-it or ticket". They also would not have to do the mundane jobs like directing traffic; I know officers train hard to do their jobs, and sometimes I think they are over qualified for some of the jobs they are forced to do. We can pay someone else to do these jobs. Of course, this will get rid of a lot of overtime...
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psike
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Actually, what would work is that State Law Enforcement (Sheriffs) take responsibility of State jurisdictions and not just places like the courts and State Capital. How about our STATE highways, and STATE run schools as well? What about our ALOHA stadium? University of Hawaii? Who do you think gets called to take care of these places? The State Sheriffs? Nope, guess again.
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2dollars
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That would be a good idea since they are already in place. But then again, many of these people who end up as sheriffs are the bad eggs that HPD got rid of...the very ones that people might be talking negatively about here. psike wrote: Actually, what would work is that State Law Enforcement (Sheriffs) take responsibility of State jurisdictions and not just places like the courts and State Capital. How about our STATE highways, and STATE run schools as well? What about our ALOHA stadium? University of Hawaii? Who do you think gets called to take care of these places? The State Sheriffs? Nope, guess again.
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alice
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HPD needs all the help it can get. Their ability to prevent and solve crimes is about the worst in America according to national stats.
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elijahhawaii
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pali wrote: <quoted text>
...our club has high standards and requires many rigorous steps for membership. Like making idle threats because of idle criticism?
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