After crash, future of 46 horses in q...

After crash, future of 46 horses in question

There are 474 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Oct 28, 2007, titled After crash, future of 46 horses in question. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The fate of 46 horses that survived a weekend wreck in Lake County remained unclear Sunday as investigators looked into why 59 Belgian draft horses were being transported in a double-deck trailer made for ...

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Wakeupcall

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#510 Nov 3, 2007
My point being that these ar enot high dollar big breeder horses going to slaughter!!!

and by horses being cheaper more stupid breeders are able to breed JUNK horses!!!
Another Horselover

Deerfield, IL

#511 Nov 3, 2007
lisa_j wrote:
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You do make a VERY valid point, and something which many of us involved in animal welfare know is true. Perhaps "we" will never convince Europeans to stop eating horsemeat or Canadians to stop slaughtering horses to supply the demand, but we can do something about the treatment of horses in our own country. We've made HUGE strides in the last year to shut down the last 3 horse slaughter plants here in the US, and now the fight is to close the borders to export of horses for slaughter.
I agree wholeheartedly. We need to push legislation that closes the loopholes on these horses being taken to an "auction" which we all know is a bogus cover-story. And I do believe that the supply will go down once people realize they can't just dump their unwanteds to the slaughter-house. This bill just passed this year - many mares had already been bred from the prior year. I think it may take a year or longer to turn the tide.
Another Horselover

Deerfield, IL

#512 Nov 3, 2007
I was at Carney's today to see the horses. The ones who survived are pretty banged up, but they look good, are eating well and are being well cared for. The look in their eyes makes my heart melt. Two of my friends each want to apply to adopt one.
lisa_j

Las Vegas, NV

#513 Nov 3, 2007
Wakeupcall wrote:
My point being that these ar enot high dollar big breeder horses going to slaughter!!!
and by horses being cheaper more stupid breeders are able to breed JUNK horses!!!
No, you're absolutely correct. The horses going to slaughter are unwanted & "junk" horses - I'm guessing because of the business of breeding horses either for slaughter (to make a profit that way) or for premarin. One web-page I found from a simple google search stateed that there are still 490 PMU (pregnant mare urine) farms at this time - the site is copyrighted 2007, so I'm assuming that's close to accurate still. That's a lot of mares & a lot of unwanted foals. Another search I found that the most common PMU breeds were those that were on this trailer.... interesting!!
Another Horselover wrote:
I was at Carney's today to see the horses. The ones who survived are pretty banged up, but they look good, are eating well and are being well cared for. The look in their eyes makes my heart melt. Two of my friends each want to apply to adopt one.
They'll never forget their ordeal on that trailer, or whatever their life was before. Maybe they'll find great homes where they can forget all that's happened to them. I have spent enough time around horses to know their eyes are amazing windows.
lisa_j

Las Vegas, NV

#514 Nov 3, 2007
Oh, I forgot to add, that it's really simple to find info on Premarin. Just google "premarin" and you'll get stuff from both sides, pro & con.

One big step is to encourage our menopausal moms, friends, sisters, every woman we know of age, to opt out of Premarin & ask their doctor for one of the many many synthetic (and safer) hormone therapies out there.
Glenview IL

United States

#515 Nov 4, 2007
Gloria Picchetti

United States

#516 Nov 7, 2007
Peggy, I spoke to someone that was at the scene of the accident today. He was at the stable where I take riding lessons.
Get this. The truck was so crammed full of large horses it flew before it tipped. Some of the horses ripped the truck open spilling into a MacDonalds parking lot. Some of the horses were laying there dismembered. Dismembered means one or more of the legs were removed. The living, dismembered horses had to wait until a vet could get there to put them down. The reason it took five hours to get all the horses out is because some of them were trapped under the truck therefore large equipment had to be brought in to get to those innocent creatures. There you go, Peggy, do you feel good about yourself now? Maybe instead of spouting stupid things off the top of your head you should make a donation to the Newport Township Fire Department for equine life saving equipment at the same time as you ask G-d to forgive you for being so mean to innocent creatures that G-d created to be loved not murdered.
Gloria Picchetti

Chicago, IL

#517 Nov 7, 2007
Peggy, I spoke to someone that was at the scene of the accident today. He was at the stable where I take riding lessons.
Get this. The truck was so crammed full of large horses it flew before it tipped. Some of the horses ripped the truck open spilling into a MacDonalds parking lot. Some of the horses were laying there dismembered. Dismembered means one or more of the legs were removed. The living, dismembered horses had to wait until a vet could get there to put them down. The reason it took five hours to get all the horses out is because some of them were trapped under the truck therefore large equipment had to be brought in to get to those innocent creatures. There you go, Peggy, do you feel good about yourself now? Maybe instead of spouting stupid things off the top of your head you should make a donation to the Newport Township Fire Department for equine life saving equipment at the same time as you ask G-d to forgive you for being so mean to innocent creatures that G-d created to be loved not murdered.
Kasey

Fargo, ND

#518 Nov 8, 2007
Dave you are ignorent the driver swerved to miss the person he along with the other driver would have been killed but instead he swerved to miss the pickup to save two humans was more fricken imortant then this livestock animals.
Billie

United States

#519 Nov 14, 2007
Ell, I can't say anything about the transporting of animals as long as it's done humanley and obviously, this tranport was not. If the animal is designated to go to market, or to auction, or just a trip to the nearest farm, then it should be in the most humane conditions possible. The trailer should not be overcrowded and given both feed and water and adequate space at least its final journey should be the most humane with a driver who cares more about his load than what will end up in his pocket. I can't stop the slaughter of animals but at least I can speak up for how they're transported.
ell wrote:
Billie, the normal semi trailer is 8 1/2 feet wide and 80 feet of length when double decking the center that gives 680 square feet minimum for any transported animals. Why would a driver risk craming the trailer so full and being over loaded when he is crossing 4 states. The chances of getting caught being overloaded is extremly high when crossing state lines. Why would a driver risk the fines of being over loaded which would be more than what the driver makes to deliver the load. If caught overloaded you also have to unload the extra weight! The driver would have to find a place to keep the horses, thus causing more expense. No driver would take that risk. Our family buys cattle and horses from auction barns all the time. Most of the horses have died on the place from old age. Just because animals are going to auction does not mean they are going to be slaughtered.
Most drivers who have these type of trailers and haul animals around have livestock of their own. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to stand the smell and have the patience of loading and unloading.
I can't verify that these horses were going to caring homes but how can you verify they were going to slaughter?
How fast can you stop your car when the light turns yellow when you are going 55 mph give or take a few mph. Now add the weight of the horses and figure out how long it would take to stop. If a road is 55 mph the yellow light timer should stay yellow long enough for semi's to cross.
Also factor in human life or horses lives. I'm sorry, but most people would pick a human life. The driver risked his own life by swerving to save another mans life.
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liz from Michigan

AOL

#520 Nov 14, 2007
Okay I only have one question... Why didn't the driver of the double rig have shipping papers. Whether these horses came from a sale or going to a sale, "the numbers on ther buts" Isn't it a state requirement to have a negative coggins to transport across the borders, and a requirement to sale a horse through an auction. SO WHERE ARE THE PAPERS????? This story is so disgusting it makes me want to puke. THE DRIVER IS RESPOSIBLE FOR DOUBLE STACKING THEM AND NOT HAVING PROPER PAPER WORK.. Lock him up to.
Jennifer Alexander

Plymouth, MI

#521 Feb 20, 2008
You are all missing the point. We have so many unwanted horses and other "pets" there needs to be better ways of disposing of them. To put a horse down in my state will cost you $450.00. Now imagine a large sacle farm, and the cost. Are you prepared to take in all of those unwanted, sick, improperly bread horses? I know I cannot. I am a horse owner I have four of them. I agree with horse slaughter as do many vets and horse owners in my area. However, there needs to be regulations on it. Now that the slaughter houses are closed, that has openned the door for others to pick up that business, and with less standards. I have seen the videos. So, if we are to have a voice at least make good argument. Not one made of non-facts and your own uneducated beliefs.
Jennifer Alexander

Plymouth, MI

#522 Feb 20, 2008
Kasey: Right on!! But what idiot would put Large Belgin horses in a double decker trailer anyway. It was an accident waiting to happen due to gross over loading. How greedy! Those horses could have been shipped in two or three different loads, but then they would have probably lost money-sometimes you pay for being stupid and greedy!! I hope that asshole and whoever else was involved for grossly overloading that trail get what is comming to them!!
April Abbott

Syracuse, NY

#523 May 27, 2008
Can anyone tell me where you can go to find the horses that are going to be sold to the butchers. I am about to buy a couple of horses and I would like to buy those. I know that they can be auctioned off to the people that are going to end up killing them, I just dont know where these auctions are. I got all my horses through my riding teacher or people she knew. So I am just trying to find out where to go to save these horses, atleast as many as I can.

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