Horses recovering after crash

Horses recovering after crash

There are 28 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Oct 29, 2007, titled Horses recovering after crash. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

As three horses lay dead on a straw-matted barn floor Monday, dozens of survivors hovered in arcs around them, nursing wounds from the horrific crash Saturday that caused a tractor-trailer loaded with 59 ...

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Susan

United States

#1 Oct 30, 2007
It sickens those of us who own horses to imagine how brutal the loading methods must have been to force these BABIES on to this "death trailer". It begs the question, "what men will do for dollars"?. There is no excuse nor should there be any mercy for those involved!! STOP the needless breeding. Where are the 59 mares who lost these BABIES?? Our hearts tugged and tears came as we saw the fireman comforting the tramatized BABY. Thank you to all the rescue help..good ,trying to fight senseless paid horror.
snowdr

Minot, ND

#2 Oct 30, 2007
OMG - how appalling for this horses to suffer. How appalling for this driver, broker and owner to not know better- shame on them. I hope the books are all throw at them. There are NO excuses.

Bless all those vollunteers.

Melanie
ND
BUC

Stillwater, OK

#3 Oct 30, 2007
The only law the driver broke was running a red light. If it had been a load of cows no one would have really cared.
Sheesh

Northbrook, IL

#4 Oct 30, 2007
I would have been appalled if it were a load of cows and/or pigs. But then that was what the vehicle was designed for, wasn't it. And no - I am not a vegan or PETA bleeding heart.

Yes - he ran a red light, but he was transporting the animals in a vehicle not made for the purpose and was probably overloaded.(We all know that truckers run heavy plenty of times, regardless of their cargo).

I am sure there are plenty of laws against those infractions.
2bit

Berkeley, IL

#5 Oct 30, 2007
BUC wrote:
The only law the driver broke was running a red light. If it had been a load of cows no one would have really cared.
The ONLY law?? Who drives from Indiana to Minnesota via Wadsworth that isnt avoiding weigh stations and state troopers??
BUC

Stillwater, OK

#6 Oct 30, 2007
It would have to be a miracle for the driver to have been over weight. The estimated weight of these babies were 600-700 lbs. You know what happens when you assume....
BUC

Stillwater, OK

#7 Oct 30, 2007
2bit wrote:
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The ONLY law?? Who drives from Indiana to Minnesota via Wadsworth that isnt avoiding weigh stations and state troopers??
There was a weigh station close by. It was closed. Yeah, I'm sure it's all one big conspiracy theory.......
EBD Chicago

United States

#8 Oct 30, 2007
As a horse owner I am truly appalled and admire the incredible efforts of the rescuers and volunteers at the scene of the accident and the Carney's kindess and generosity in taking the in the injured horses. But I have to agree w/ HorseFan, horse slaughter and inhumane transport of horses for that purpose is only a symptom of a larger, growing problem. And its not a simple one.

There are just too many horses in need of homes for the homes that are available. The rescue and retirement organizations can only do so much. There is less and less suitable and affordable land, many of the horse farms and open lands have been given over to McMansions and other development. There is irresponsible 'backyard' breeding; a racing industry that sees more and more horses being over-raced just to to try to pay the bills leaving many horses so broken down they're frequently not suitable for a second career; a hunter /jumper/dressage world going to Europe for their horses when in past these disciplines offered a considerable number of thorobreds and other horses second careers and loving homes.

We - horse owners and lovers need to take some responsibility. We need to recognize that there is a commitment when you buy a horse, you may very well need to care for that horse or carry the cost of care for its life. Horses are easy to acquire but not always easy to sell or find a home for.

We need to do much much more to support rescue and retirement programs that care for horses who are no longer fit, productive or adoptable. Its starts and ends with us. Otherwise what alternative is there than slaughter ? But if that's the best we can do, then at least the transport and the process MUST be humane and comfortable
trustkeeper

Ingalls, IN

#9 Oct 30, 2007
Laws broken so far and probably more to come: NO bill of lading for his cargo, NO Coggin's documents, NO health certificates, ran a stop light and caused the death of many horses, could have caused injury or death to the other driver involved etc. etc.

Buc, sweety--buy some glasses so you can read the news reports on this incident, or perhaps the s and the l for your hometown will need to be transposed. I do get a chuckle out of emotional and illogical rantings, so please carry on.
N Deeve

Ingalls, IN

#10 Oct 30, 2007
Wow, this was such a shocking & preventable accident. Everything about it is horrible. I started learning about horse slaughter because of reading this coverage and these kinds of abusive transport violations have been going on for 20 years.
Our horses have been sent to Mexico and Canada to be slaughtered for decades, too!! The way they kill them is not humane at all and it wasn't when it happened right here in America, either!!
I learned all this at www.hsus.org by clicking on 'horses'.
I even contacted my Rep. and Senators right from the website because now I want a federal law to ban all of this horse slaughter malarkey. It's not American, it's not humane, and only foreigners are making money off of it.
BUC

Stillwater, OK

#11 Oct 30, 2007
trustkeeper wrote:
Buc, sweety--buy some glasses so you can read the news reports on this incident, or perhaps the s and the l for your hometown will need to be transposed. I do get a chuckle out of emotional and illogical rantings, so please carry on.
Maybe you need to do a little re reading. The paperwork was faxed to the police station on Monday. And I will agree about emotional and illogical rantings, yours are pretty entertaining. The only thing I get emotional about is the conspiracy theories coming from the anti slaughter side. I do not do well with spin for ones own personal agenda.
Cam

Romeoville, IL

#12 Oct 30, 2007
How anyone who saw this on TV, read this in the papers, and sits and writes like it was not a big deal..well it is a big deal. These horses were on their way to slaughter..6 months to seven years..gee, didn't Cavel and it posse of lawyers and it owners say the horses sent to slaughter are old and no one wants them? Sick. I also agree that horses , like cats and dogs are over bred. But that doesn't mean anyone has a right to harm them, or slaughter them to satisfy some dumb European. That picture of the fireman comforting that injured horse is a beautiful picture...we all should be like that.I have 3 dogs, all rescues..I think it time to rescue a horse.
Sharon Crumb

United States

#13 Oct 30, 2007
Cam wrote:
How anyone who saw this on TV, read this in the papers, and sits and writes like it was not a big deal..well it is a big deal. These horses were on their way to slaughter..6 months to seven years..gee, didn't Cavel and it posse of lawyers and it owners say the horses sent to slaughter are old and no one wants them? Sick. I also agree that horses , like cats and dogs are over bred. But that doesn't mean anyone has a right to harm them, or slaughter them to satisfy some dumb European. That picture of the fireman comforting that injured horse is a beautiful picture...we all should be like that.I have 3 dogs, all rescues..I think it time to rescue a horse.
Cam, well said. The truth speaks, we do not have to put any spin on anything. And, if you go to the USDA site, you can read in their own estimates that 92.3% of horses being slaughtered are young, healthy and re-trainable. Common sense tells you that the foreigners want good meat and that comes from young horses not the tough meat from older and to believe sick horses meat is being sent overseas for human consumption, well we are not dumb.
Bravo to you wanted to rescue a horse, I have helped rescue and support some. Even 10.00 a month really helps these rescues. It is sickening that many horses going to slaughter are racehorses who didn't win their last race. Also, on their pedigrees now, it is being written "saved from slaughter". This is going to be the demise to horseracing, who wants to go bet on a horse and even if he wins, he will still end up going to slaughter, not to mention the drugs in his system at the time.
The picture of the firefighter kissing the horse, speaks for itself. Better be ready to be attacked from those support slaughter, don't know why they have to keep calling us liars when the truth is out there even on the USDA website.
People Wake UP

United States

#14 Oct 30, 2007
Producing Premarin, the estrogen producing menopausal drug requires mares breed foals. 500 of these "farms" exist, the foals are "excess". Unless the demand is addressed, the supply disequilibrium will continue and be met with dollars by those who think horse meat a delicacy.

STOP estrogen drug production and the horrible treatment of mares to produce foals who are sold to slaughter. Get every menopausal woman you know to switch to synthetic estrogen, or even better, try organic methods like Black Cohosh, exercise, diet and cold showers. Premarin is a blockbuster drug for Wyeth. Stop it and you end some of this suffering.
Similar MO accident 06

United States

#15 Oct 30, 2007
Deja vu all over again:
9/27/07:
"Today is the one-year anniversary of the horrific wreck of a double deck trailer carrying 42 horses on Interstate 44 in Franklin County, Missouri. Rescuers from the Humane Society of Missouri’s Longmeadow Rescue Ranch and MERS also led this team. Twenty-five horses and one hinny survived that accident. With excellent veterinary care from several area equine veterinary hospitals and constant attention from Longmeadow staff, today seven of those survivors are in new, adopter homes and 13 additional horses are available for adoption.
What is it going to take?
See PA Law

United States

#16 Oct 30, 2007
and this incident from 2000 - proactive law enforcement; but how many other trailers have gone to Canada transporting horses undetected???
PA State Police Arrest NY Shipper For Cruelty to Horses
June 29, 2000
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Manheim Township, PA- PA State Police stopped a double deck cattle trailer carrying 17 horses and mules along with a number of hogs on Route 30 in Lancaster County Monday evening. The truck was stopped approximately 20 miles west of a New Holland, PA auction barn that holds horse sales on Mondays.
PA State Police charged the owner of the double deck cattle trailer, Arlow Kiehl, Watertown, NY and the driver, Harold Rodgers, Lowville, NY with cruelty to animals under the current PA cruelty law, Title 18, Sec 5511(e),transporting animals in a cruel manner.
The two men were transporting 17 horses and mules to Canada for slaughter for human consumption overseas. Due to the low ceiling height, the horses and mules were unable to hold their heads in a normal upright manner. Double deck cattle trailers can have ceiling heights as low as 5'7". Trailers of the same size designed to transport horses have standard ceiling heights of 8 feet. Hogs were being transported on the top deck of the trailer, above the horses and mules.
YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME

New Market, MN

#17 Oct 30, 2007
We are talking about livestock...cows, pigs, goats, and yes horses. They are all slaughtered the same way. Should we stop eating meat all together? If you believe that there is a difference between how cattle are treated, transported, and slaughtered to how it is done with horses...ignorance is your middle name.

Off course I expect to hear the voice, "they are a domesticated animal...they are pets." Well you tell the 4-H kid that there cow isn't a pet. How many pets (cats/dogs) are euthanized on a daily basis because they can't be taken care of anymore. If you want to save a horse, then good for you. Go to the horse sale and buy a horse. As a matter of fact I guess if we are going to consider it a domesticated animal, then I should go buy one myself. I can fence in my yard and have a horse in my front lawn. I'm sure that my neighbors and the city will love that.

This was an accident and in an accident things happen that you wish wouldn't have. It sucks that these horses were involved in this accident, but would it have been better if it were a different type of animal?

There is a market in the US for cattle and swine...so in the US it is acceptable to freely slaughter cows and pigs. In other parts of the world there is a market for horse meat. If someone from the US has figured out a way to sell to that market, don't they have that right as an American???
Ben Dover

Milwaukee, WI

#18 Oct 30, 2007
MOO!
You Got to Be KIDDING

United States

#19 Oct 31, 2007
Cattle, pigs and goats are raised for meat. Horses are not. There is a difference. Double decker haulers are built for shorter animals. There are load restrictions for humane transport even of livestock. Note the humane designation for meat in stores. If you care about animals, and your own health, you will care about how livestock are treated prior to slaughter, and how even horses not raised for meat are transported to slaughter. To transport live animals in transport too short for them to stand comfortably, to overload them and scare them, makes the meat bad. You shoudl know that. You're so obviously a meat eater. Did you know expensive, grass-fed, humanely killed, free range meat not only tastes better, it's better for you? I guess not. You go for it. It's not an American right to be inhumane.
Worse than an accident

United States

#20 Oct 31, 2007
Malice aforesight; trying to evade detection. Double decker trailers are inhumane transport even if you were raising horses to send them to slaughter houses. By the way, humane euthanasia is difficult for horses and most slaughterhouses can't do it. How many of you eat horsemeat on purpose? Comments like those of You Gotta Be Kidding Me reflect some atavistic farmer nirvana that never truly existed. Horses are a bad bet for a consistent meat product. Cows and pigs are much more consistent and predictable, and more efficient to raise to meat. If You Gotta Be Kidding Me is raising horses to sell to Canadian horsemeat vendors, doubtless he could make more at Kinko's or Starbucks, if his community has one.

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