Letters on Homestead Heritage: Commun...

Letters on Homestead Heritage: Community or cult?

There are 8868 comments on the Waco Tribune-Herald story from May 20, 2007, titled Letters on Homestead Heritage: Community or cult?. In it, Waco Tribune-Herald reports that:

For seven years, we've shared fence lines with members of Homestead Heritage on three sides of our land.

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Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6509 Apr 1, 2013
And another secret for discerning believers:

The One in the Shema is the One of Person grammatically, no matter how you define PERSON, especially pertaining to YHWH.

Brown or Avery or Baaah can define 'person' this way or that, but the Bible says God is a 'HE'.

And 'he' does not connote substance or essence primarily, but 'person'. This was where you fudged, making the essence or substance of YHWH the HE of the Bible.

So then how many HEs are the Father and the Son? Two? I would say so. What sayest thou?

And how many HEs are in the formulation, Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Three? Just a guess, but who can say that this is false?

The Shema has one 'HE'. This is fundamental. And you fudged the Great Fudge in 325 A.D.

28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; AND THERE IS NONE OTHER BUT HE:

33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

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How obvious can we get here? This ain't rocket science, and this ain't something we can really haggle about. Jesus says HE IS NOT GOD here for those who are paying attention. He RATIFIES the ancient interpretation of the Shema.

One HE. Plain simple language. You would distort.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6510 Apr 1, 2013
How many 'HEs' did JESUS say the Father and Son make?

TWO testifiers.

17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of TWO men is true.

18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Two testifiers makes two HEs. Short length inference, but you see the reasoning here?

NOT reasonable? How so?
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6511 Apr 1, 2013
See, we gotta get out of this heepy mentality.

Heepies smoked too much Mary Jane.

Heepies liked the paradox, the contradiction.
These pointed the way to Heepy Truth.

"All things not true makes the most sense of all.
Especially correlated together, hopefully as contradictions."

Do you see that I just took down Ireneus, Thomas Aquinas and Athanasias, all our later pagan Church Fathers? The one HE in the Shema cannot correlate with the two he's of the Father and Son.

No way, stoned or not. No THEY were not stoned, but their thinking caps were not either on.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6512 Apr 1, 2013
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and HIM only shalt thou serve.

That came from our Lord's mouth.

One 'him'.

Oh, ILTTTT likes the NIV:

Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written:'Worship the Lord your God, and serve HIM only.'"

Fudgers all. Am I right or am I right?

And no, I am not Muslim. But they WILL teach you your own Bible if you don't repent.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6513 Apr 1, 2013
Massoretic Text:

YHWH Elohim -of*you, you-shall-fear, and you-shall-serve and*in*name-of*him you-shall-swear...

This name is the name of our God.

Not "Jesus."

From the mouth of Jesus.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6514 Apr 1, 2013
He was quoting Deut 6:13-14 only a few verses AFTER the Great Command, the Shema.

As a Jew born under the Law.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6515 Apr 1, 2013
On theological forums they say Jesus never says he is God, true...

but Jesus never says he is NOT GOD either, so ground zero is either or...rationally speaking.

But no, Jewish DEFAULT is true rationally speaking, not either/or with either possibility equally or semi-equally possible.

Jewish Default is true. And everyone then KNEW it.
Shema has only one HE. And the Father and Son makes for two HE's.

I have just defeated Steven Avery's high Christology. Whatever it is, it cannot be on that high a spiritual level

after all.

We are the remnant of the remnant. God help us, and this means you.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6516 Apr 1, 2013
Doesn't matter how much 'learning' you have...

Echad means the numerical one in the Hebrew.
'Eis' means the numerical one in the Koine. It is in masculine singular form.
'Hen' used of Christ when he said "I and the Father are one," is the neuter one of compound unity...in the Koine.

God is the numerical One. We are unified in Him in some way, and this is ideal, but we are not God.

And Jesus was not either.

Plain simple text. The Echad of the Adonai, who is YHWH is numerically One. All quasi-Jews who would make this a compound one are fudgers.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6517 Apr 1, 2013
I could be talking to Gomer Pyle...you know the guy on the Andy Griffith Show (we know you don't watch TV, that was way back)

or any esteemed scholar or professor or rabbi,

and this is all true. Check it out. The Bible was not written only for geniuses. Hint.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6518 Apr 1, 2013
What is monotheism? One God. In Jewish parlance this means One Being and One Person, even though this is GOD-person.

Although His Person is not known exhaustively, we still know by Shema He is one "HE."

This is pretty basic stuff but I know you don't get it.

That's okay. My patient spamming trumps your patient ignorance.

Some day it will hit home. The bulb will light up and you will go, HEEEY!

Trinitarianism isn't cool! Makes God into three Persons! And Oneness Pentecostalism isn't cool neither! Makes God into two Persons who ditch the one for the other!
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6519 Apr 1, 2013
I get affronted by so-called grammarians all the time...the latest poster on Carm claimed 8 years experience in Koine studies...over moi who forgot the one year or less he had, forgetting even the courses he took...

yet they do ignore the fact that two he's makes a 'we' do they not? And if 'elohim' really does mean WE or THEM then all pronouns will coincide, will they not?

Two 'he's' makes a 'we'. Wow, what a revelation.

I must be a genius. Start sending money.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6520 Apr 1, 2013
WE ARE GOD.

I KNOW you can find this somewhere in scripture.

IF you look hard enough.

Would that not be the claim of Yeshua? You know the one we are usually talking about?

In plain simple language. Be it Koine or Hebrew or Aramaic or Latin or English.

REALLY Old English way back then.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6521 Apr 1, 2013
By your paradigm, YHWH said "I am" in Exodus 3...

And Jesus said "I am" in Jn 8:58...

And since they understood YHWH to be the Father, then now you have the same old fundamental problem.

Two 'I's' makes a 'WE'.

We is. I mean grammatically, "WE ARE."

God uses good grammar, doesn't HE??

Maybe this makes sense for you IF Jesus IS the Father. But where does he say this?

Anywhere? "I and the Father are One?"

Then "I AM the Father." Aren't some Oneness Pentecostals saying this?

But Jesus doesn't. Ever.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6522 Apr 1, 2013
Modern trinitarianism says this, but grammatically they are getting a 'd' minus...

Three Persons in One Being makes for a "We are God" every time.

And if God doesn't use good grammar then why should I even go to class?

Put your primers away. Home schooled or not. No need, anymore.
I lived to tell the truth

Jackson, NJ

#6523 Apr 2, 2013
{And no, I am not Muslim. But they WILL teach you your own Bible if you don't repent.}BAAAH

Revelation speaks of the beheading of the Saints during the great tribulation.

That is beginning to happen through Jihad.

The Muslims know nothing about the Holy Bible AND YOU CLAIM THEY WILL TEACH US THE HOLY BIBLE?!!!

Their Koran instructs them to KILL the ‘infidel.’ Either you join their faith or you die. During the tribulation they will impose their beliefs through force on the whole world; notably through beheadings.

They are trying to bring Sharia law to the U.S. even now. When that happens there will be alot of bloodshed.

They are the ones who need to repent-those who love the LORD JESUS ARE SAVED.

You should get your facts straight in all of this excessive babbling.
I lived to tell the truth

Jackson, NJ

#6524 Apr 2, 2013
REVELATION 20:
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6525 Apr 2, 2013
I lived to tell the truth wrote:
{And no, I am not Muslim. But they WILL teach you your own Bible if you don't repent.}BAAAH
Revelation speaks of the beheading of the Saints during the great tribulation.
That is beginning to happen through Jihad.
The Muslims know nothing about the Holy Bible AND YOU CLAIM THEY WILL TEACH US THE HOLY BIBLE?!!!
Their Koran instructs them to KILL the ‘infidel.’ Either you join their faith or you die. During the tribulation they will impose their beliefs through force on the whole world; notably through beheadings.
They are trying to bring Sharia law to the U.S. even now. When that happens there will be alot of bloodshed.
They are the ones who need to repent-those who love the LORD JESUS ARE SAVED.
You should get your facts straight in all of this excessive babbling.
Fact is that their singular God of Abraham is closer to the truth
by Himself, Allah than your two or three-headed God of the mainstream variety. As true monotheists they have the One True God.

They have gone astray with the prophet and his sayings among Mohammedism.

The Rock at Mecca, I don't know what that is all about.

They missed out by not making Jesus Lord. This does not entail making him God, which has stymied millions of Muslims dead and alive.

Get your facts straight. They will teach you your own Bible REGARDING the impossibility that Jesus can be God.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6526 Apr 2, 2013
I lived to tell the truth wrote:
REVELATION 20:
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Is God and Christ the same Being here, or is God juxtaposed with Christ?

Who is the HIM in the last sentence? Two entities, one HIM?

Did you just morph Christ into God? Or are you now trinitarian, ILTTTT?
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6527 Apr 2, 2013
What Boyarin and his ilk sees is a rudimentary
set of 'visions' of two Gods in Heaven, El and Baal, which Daniel's vision makes El and the Son of El.

Further revelation must make these two somehow the same Being since the Hypostatic Union is still required for Boyarin to remain mainstream in theology
and get all the kudos required to be a bestselling
Christian author.

I don't have a problem with two ELOHIM in heaven, one whom I call God and one whom I call the glorified man. You can call them GODS in Heaven,
but the orthodox word is 'elohim'.

Secondly there is no equality involved. YHWH will always be over the Son, just as he said a jillion times without exception.

1 Cor 15

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Baaah

San Antonio, TX

#6528 Apr 2, 2013
Baaah wrote:
<quoted text>
Fact is that their singular God of Abraham is closer to the truth
by Himself, Allah than your two or three-headed God of the mainstream variety. As true monotheists they have the One True God.
They have gone astray with the prophet and his sayings among Mohammedism.
The Rock at Mecca, I don't know what that is all about.
They missed out by not making Jesus Lord. This does not entail making him God, which has stymied millions of Muslims dead and alive.
Get your facts straight. They will teach you your own Bible REGARDING the impossibility that Jesus can be God.
I just finished working for an Iranian woman who converted from Islam to Christianity. I asked her about the divinity of Jesus and she ONLY said what the scripture says about this.

When I dug deeper the truth came out. She did not arrive at her blessed conclusions about her Messiah from OTHER Christians who gave testimony to her; for the main part it was a personal prayer for God to show Himself to her in the name of Jesus.

She also brought her parents into the fold. This miracle comes in SPITE of false testimony that Jesus is God.

All Muslims know first hand that there is only one God. This is what they are taught.

And this is true. Sophia knows the One True God. And Jesus Christ whom HE sent.

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