Wabash factory to close, losing 600 jobs

Wabash factory to close, losing 600 jobs

There are 40 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Oct 19, 2007, titled Wabash factory to close, losing 600 jobs. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

GDX Automotive gave closure notices to union leaders this afternoon, telling them the plant will shut down near the end of November, putting more than 600 people out of work.

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“BALLARD LIED”

Since: Jul 07

Indianapolis

#27 Oct 21, 2007
HoosierBrian wrote:
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Funny how idiots like you always seem to blame Mitch for bringing good, high paying jobs to Indiana.
Funny how boot lickers like you keep backing his lack of leadership. High paying jobs to Indiana? Where the sam hill you been jobs are leaving Indiana at a much faster pace you must not keep up on the employment news. Higher paying jobs what a joke. Ditch shorty mitch in 2008 so we can fix the property tax problem!!!
Kat

United States

#28 Oct 21, 2007
who the heck do you think will buy those automobiles if we are making the same pay the Mexicans are making. The greedy corporate americans would love us to all be making 1-2 dollars per hour, who would buy the cars then?
Don W

Aberdeen, MD

#29 Oct 21, 2007
Cerberus has annual revenues of 60 billion. Their Board of Directors are multi millionaires & billionaires. They are in business to make billions more. They didn't care about GDX employees when they purchased them and don't care one bit about them now either. If they could have eleminated the union and lowered wages to about $7. an hour they would have been profitable and then sold GDX.
rr69half6bbl

AOL

#30 Oct 22, 2007
In rebut to Gov. mitch. Hey clown, why dont you tell your constituants about how honda isnt considering anyone for hire who lives more then 50 miles away from their plant site, Due to future absenteeism issues.
And how about telling them about how you trashed all those middle class paying jobs like the lisence branch closings, and the highway workers . You didnt tranfer all those state employees to other sites did you!!
Then you try to act like joe Hoosier job saver by touting about Honda, you make me sick. then you talk about raising taxesagain to balance the state budget. But gee i find it strange that you talk about the taxes after we just had a big tax change raising the prop. values to market value, then the realastate market goes sour, so now were talking about tax increases again. I hope you enjoy your tenor in office now, Because Its my hope that the Hoosiers have had enough of your whitewash and vote the new guy in. HE cant be any worse of a sellout to his state then you have been, have a nice day, Gov.
Kat

United States

#32 Oct 23, 2007
anyone would be better than Mitch.
Ditch Mitch is my motto.

He raised the property tax values so now he has a plan that will be released today to lower the premiums, it will make him look good for the election.
Honday is way to far away to drive for Wabash workers.
You Are Hilarious

Florence, KY

#33 Oct 23, 2007
Gov Mitch wrote:
Apply at Honda!
Two problems with that: 1. They live too far away and thus don't qualify to apply per Honda's residency restrictions and 2. Most folks who grow up in a small town and just want a good job at the local factory enjoy the comforts of those surroundings. They are good people who work hard and go to church on Sunday and pay their taxes. It's highly traumatic to just up and move your family -- there are generations of folks in Wabash and this just completely turns their lives upside down. So, can the joking stop now?
VERY ANGRY

League City, TX

#34 Oct 24, 2007
I'll tell you one thing, you all do not know what the Hell your talking about unless you work there. Its not our fault the factory is shutting down and our wages does not have anything to do with it. We lost the jobs from Ford because Ford was paying for materials for their products, and instead of using it for Ford materials The company used the money to keep Freightliner running which is Chrysler "DUH DUMB AS*ES" a competitor of Fords.We lost GM because instead of fixing the problems with the line when getting scrap managment would say keep running any ways so GM would get nothing but junk parts. Losing Freightliner, well thats quite the odvious owned by Chrysler "Cerebus". The building is old and Cerebus did not want to put money into it nor does wynnchurch so Cerebus found out that nobody would buy it as is so they quit paying property taxes on it"on purpose" because they do not care if they lose it or not now but what they didn't know is they are responsible for bringing the building up to code or demolishing it. By Federal law they also have to pay us for the warn act among other things they are calling negotionable. I am a very strong believer in carma and it will follow back on Cerebus and whatever kind of idiots that thinks its funny. So for all the people who is running there mouth and don't work there or realy knows whats going on, keep your damn mouth shut and opinions to yourself.As for Cerebus I wish you people the worst luck ever, I think ypu all are a waste of life thieves who should burn in the gates of hell. I realy do not know how you all sleep at night.
Shorebreak

Indianapolis, IN

#35 Oct 24, 2007
Protect yourselves wrote:
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Who said I was selling out? I'm a business man and a conservative, you idiot. I don't want government telling me how to run my businesses, and I dont' want my money paying for losers like you to sit around and whine about how the "chinese" took you poor wittoo jobs away.
Funny how all you rednecks want government to spoon feed you, until someone else gets the gravy. Cry me a river Billy Bo Bob.
If you all were willing to compete on wages, you would still have jobs. But you aren't, so they went away.
Don't like it, it's the American way! I'm doing fine because I went to school. Try it it will work out well for you. I bet you made fun of guys like me in high school. Who's laughing now!
What kind of conservative sits back and tells fellow citizens to suck it up when our goverment has opened our markets to compete with near-slave labor? And you care to insult me and call me a redneck because I don't believe that Americans should be forced to sacrifice our economy to the whims of foereign despots who control their citizens and industry with an iron fist?

What kind of conservative believes in that? You've been brainwashed into believing the lies of free trade because the RINO globalists have fooled you into supporting them - by telling you that they believe in family values and in sound business policy.

Anyone with common sense can see that a policy that results in the elimination of US jobs in favor of cheap foereign labor is not sound, secure, or fiscally responsible. And it's not capitalism. It's the treatised allowance of despotic, communist, and socialist economic systems to undermine and overtake US industry.

If you call that fair and competitive capitalism, I'm afraid that you have very little understanding of how a free and fair market is supposed to operate.
worker at GDX Wabash

Lansing, IL

#36 Nov 7, 2007
Listen noone who works at GDX Wabash wants anyone to feel sorry for them. Yes we can do something better with our lifes now but it is still heartbreaking. So people who think we should suck it up well I hope one day that it is not your job too. Just because you have a degree does not mean that you are untouchable.
worker at GDX Wabash

Lansing, IL

#37 Nov 7, 2007
Rico wrote:
Interesting how so many manufacturing jobs are migrating to Mexico for cheaper labor, while at least 12 million Mexicans (more than the entire population of Indiana and Kentucky combined) have migrated to the US to try to find better paying jobs and a better way of life. I wonder at what point the cost of labor will rise to typical US levels (due to lack of qualified workers, since they are moving on up)?
Maybe GDX and the Steel Workers Union could save the day for Wabash by keeping the plant open, firing all the current employees (as planned), then hiring all illegal immigrants at the wage they plan to pay at the new plant in Mexico? Just a (twisted) thought...I am guessing the south of the border wage would not have enough cushion for the new employees to pay their union dues.
My heart really does go out to those losing thier jobs and Wabash in general: with about 3100 household in the town, the loss of good paying jobs for 600 households will be devastating.
Thank You for your concern.
worker at GDX Wabash

Lansing, IL

#38 Nov 7, 2007
You Are Hilarious wrote:
<quoted text>Two problems with that: 1. They live too far away and thus don't qualify to apply per Honda's residency restrictions and 2. Most folks who grow up in a small town and just want a good job at the local factory enjoy the comforts of those surroundings. They are good people who work hard and go to church on Sunday and pay their taxes. It's highly traumatic to just up and move your family -- there are generations of folks in Wabash and this just completely turns their lives upside down. So, can the joking stop now?
Thank you so much. It is not a joking matter. Several people will be effected over this. My whole family either has worked or currently works there including my husband. We are good people and hard workers but some people just dont care about others. Thank you for your statement.
Jim

Richmond, IN

#39 Nov 7, 2007
DougSmiley wrote:
Maybe if we were'nt pouring billions of dollars down the sinkhole in Iraq we could be investing in this country and making jobs instead of letting corrupt capitalist private finance groups control our lives.
Corrupt capitalist groups, okay Comrade. I am sorry that Wabash has lost this manufacturer. However, the manufacturing sector of this country has been going the way of the dinosaur since the 80s if not earlier. Each age is defined by the technology we use..Stone, Iron, Bronze, Agrarian, Manufacturing, Information. The demise of manufacturing was expedited by the catalyst of overreaching labor unions who have pushed companies to relocate their manufacturing overseas more quickly to avoid the over inflated costs unions have imposed on them hear.
From a selfish stand point, I was very disturbed by seeing the loss of this company in Wabash since we have an investment property there we wanted to sell.
Jim

Richmond, IN

#40 Nov 7, 2007
Shorebreak wrote:
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What kind of conservative sits back and tells fellow citizens to suck it up when our goverment has opened our markets to compete with near-slave labor? And you care to insult me and call me a redneck because I don't believe that Americans should be forced to sacrifice our economy to the whims of foereign despots who control their citizens and industry with an iron fist?
What kind of conservative believes in that? You've been brainwashed into believing the lies of free trade because the RINO globalists have fooled you into supporting them - by telling you that they believe in family values and in sound business policy.
Anyone with common sense can see that a policy that results in the elimination of US jobs in favor of cheap foereign labor is not sound, secure, or fiscally responsible. And it's not capitalism. It's the treatised allowance of despotic, communist, and socialist economic systems to undermine and overtake US industry.
If you call that fair and competitive capitalism, I'm afraid that you have very little understanding of how a free and fair market is supposed to operate.
It isn't a government issue, it is a economic issue. No government can save such jobs without nationalizing the industry which would be infinitely worse than losing them and letting the free market system fill the void.
If you look at history economies evolve, in 1930 there were nearly 30 million farmers barely feeding the balance of Americans. By 1980 there were just 3 million farmers producing so much that the government was paying them to leave land idol. This happened over a 50 year time line so families moved off the farm and the farmers retired, the final death rattle happened in the early 80's, don't you remember Farm Aid Concerts, and Hollywood doing movies about the loss of the family farm? Government tried to save them, didn't work, economics simply proved that there wasn't a need for that many any more.
Many of the farm refugees went to work in the factories making Carburetors, in fact there were 250,000 people doing just that in 1980, but because of fuel injectors coming out by 1985 nearly none were still working doing that.
In 1985 there were around 250,000 people in Indiana and Ohio making vinyl records at the peak year of that industry. An industry that disappeared in 1985 with CD's.
All I can say is learn to learn, being the best at one thing today isn't the best idea. Being the fastest to adapt is.
Shorebreak

United States

#41 Nov 20, 2007
Jim wrote:
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It isn't a government issue, it is a economic issue. No government can save such jobs without nationalizing the industry which would be infinitely worse than losing them and letting the free market system fill the void.
If you look at history economies evolve, in 1930 there were nearly 30 million farmers barely feeding the balance of Americans. By 1980 there were just 3 million farmers producing so much that the government was paying them to leave land idol. This happened over a 50 year time line so families moved off the farm and the farmers retired, the final death rattle happened in the early 80's, don't you remember Farm Aid Concerts, and Hollywood doing movies about the loss of the family farm? Government tried to save them, didn't work, economics simply proved that there wasn't a need for that many any more.
Many of the farm refugees went to work in the factories making Carburetors, in fact there were 250,000 people doing just that in 1980, but because of fuel injectors coming out by 1985 nearly none were still working doing that.
In 1985 there were around 250,000 people in Indiana and Ohio making vinyl records at the peak year of that industry. An industry that disappeared in 1985 with CD's.
All I can say is learn to learn, being the best at one thing today isn't the best idea. Being the fastest to adapt is.
The only problem I have with your response is that when forced to compete with near-slave wages of a totalitarian regimne like China, the only successful adaptation is to either send the jobs to somewhere that's just as cheap - or to lower our own standard of living until our wages are in parity.

That's where government DOES come into play. By not protecting US industry from foreign state-run undercutting by unregulated slave-like conditions, the only possible adaptation is to lower our own lifestyle expectations. That isn't the result of economic conditions - it's the result of unfair trade agreements that expose our economy to the same unfair working conditions that Americans fought to triumph over.
Jim

Richmond, IN

#42 Nov 20, 2007
Shorebreak wrote:
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The only problem I have with your response is that when forced to compete with near-slave wages of a totalitarian regimne like China, the only successful adaptation is to either send the jobs to somewhere that's just as cheap - or to lower our own standard of living until our wages are in parity.
That's where government DOES come into play. By not protecting US industry from foreign state-run undercutting by unregulated slave-like conditions, the only possible adaptation is to lower our own lifestyle expectations. That isn't the result of economic conditions - it's the result of unfair trade agreements that expose our economy to the same unfair working conditions that Americans fought to triumph over.
Whether we like it or not, whether is comfortable to us or not, we live and work in a world market. It has changed the playing field. The day of families working for the same factory, where once you got in you were set for life with an income much higher than any other comparable job could or would pay, and compound that with unbelievable benefits are over. We will never see them again. Japan came in with Toyota and started beating up our auto industry by selling less expensive cars, now Korea and Kia are doing the same thing to Toyota.
It isn't confined to manufacturing, but manufacturing is on the front of the curve and has been getting hit longer. When it comes to manufacturing it is much like the ones still functioning are the best darn buggy whip manufacturers on the planet. I have a friend who is an electrical engineer, or was. Several years ago he was making 80k a year, today he is scrambling around doing contract work when and where he can. He fills in with night watchman jobs and works for a carpet cleaning company. His industry is moved heavily to Punjabi, India, where they can hire brilliant engineers for a fourth of that. Many banking, tech support, and other jobs have located in that same region due to the high education levels and the time difference actually works perfectly with US companies. You can email work to India as you are going home, and when you get back in the morning they have completed their day there and it is waiting on you in your inbox.
Today, the key is not to learn to specialize to be the best at any one task, but to learn to learn and adapt quickly so that your value stays with you and you don't go out of date. Today that happens fast.
The thing is the only thing we can count on is change, and those who embrace change and try to help make it happen will prosper. Those however, that allow human nature to set in and fight change will be buried by it.
It really doesn't matter if you like it or not, that is simply the way it is, and the way it is going to be..... just faster.
None of these things have anything what-so-ever to do with who the President, or Governor are, what their party is or isn't. In fact it has nothing to do with politics. If the body politic tries to "protect" us with isolationist attitudes it would simply make things infinitely worse.
Shorebreak

United States

#43 Nov 21, 2007
Jim wrote:
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Whether we like it or not, whether is comfortable to us or not, we live and work in a world market. It has changed the playing field. The day of families working for the same factory, where once you got in you were set for life with an income much higher than any other comparable job could or would pay, and compound that with unbelievable benefits are over. We will never see them again. Japan came in with Toyota and started beating up our auto industry by selling less expensive cars, now Korea and Kia are doing the same thing to Toyota.
It isn't confined to manufacturing, but manufacturing is on the front of the curve and has been getting hit longer. When it comes to manufacturing it is much like the ones still functioning are the best darn buggy whip manufacturers on the planet. I have a friend who is an electrical engineer, or was. Several years ago he was making 80k a year, today he is scrambling around doing contract work when and where he can. He fills in with night watchman jobs and works for a carpet cleaning company. His industry is moved heavily to Punjabi, India, where they can hire brilliant engineers for a fourth of that. Many banking, tech support, and other jobs have located in that same region due to the high education levels and the time difference actually works perfectly with US companies. You can email work to India as you are going home, and when you get back in the morning they have completed their day there and it is waiting on you in your inbox.
Today, the key is not to learn to specialize to be the best at any one task, but to learn to learn and adapt quickly so that your value stays with you and you don't go out of date. Today that happens fast.
The thing is the only thing we can count on is change, and those who embrace change and try to help make it happen will prosper. Those however, that allow human nature to set in and fight change will be buried by it.
It really doesn't matter if you like it or not, that is simply the way it is, and the way it is going to be..... just faster.
None of these things have anything what-so-ever to do with who the President, or Governor are, what their party is or isn't. In fact it has nothing to do with politics. If the body politic tries to "protect" us with isolationist attitudes it would simply make things infinitely worse.
Sorry Jim, but I have to disagree.

When our Presidents sign agreements like NAFA, CAFTA, GATT etc into law, that is when the door is opened for people like your friend to lose their jobs to nations with much lower living standards. Without the signed agreement, the job wouldn't be sent offshore. It's not a natural progression - it's a planned and calculated act.

With regards to "protectionism", when our elected officials are sworn into office, they are taking a solemn oath to protect and ensure the well being of the American people. Your friend is chasing after contract jobs, trying to make ends meet, because our elected representatives chose not to protect him.
Jim

Richmond, IN

#44 Nov 22, 2007
Shorebreak wrote:
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Sorry Jim, but I have to disagree.
When our Presidents sign agreements like NAFA, CAFTA, GATT etc into law, that is when the door is opened for people like your friend to lose their jobs to nations with much lower living standards. Without the signed agreement, the job wouldn't be sent offshore. It's not a natural progression - it's a planned and calculated act.
With regards to "protectionism", when our elected officials are sworn into office, they are taking a solemn oath to protect and ensure the well being of the American people. Your friend is chasing after contract jobs, trying to make ends meet, because our elected representatives chose not to protect him.
Every instance of isolationism, and protectionism in the History of this or any other country has ended in disaster. We are living on an ever smaller and more intertwined globe, it is imperative that we think globally and compete globally.
When you look through the lens of history you will see the shift of power move from Kings who could conscript and army to take from their neighbors, that power shifted to the Church later, then to national governments, now has shifted to businesses. An example to help you understand how businesses now hold sway over governments. Do you remember a few years ago when Pakistan and India were rattling swords against each other? The world was concerned about a war breaking out between the two. A friend of mine who lives in India and is kind of a player over there called me and told me not only that nothing would happen, but explained why. Later it proved to be totally correct. Both of those economies are booming due to the call centers, banking, and more that has come there from all over the world, including the USA. Those companies called the respective governments and told them to stop this potential war or they would pull their companies and people out of their countries. Once those economic realities set in, everyone decided to make nice even though none of the issues that started the potential war ever changed. There will come a time where all wars, except those with tyrannical despots and mullahs who are either crazy like Korea's or believe some sort of distorted religious cause like Iran, or other Radical Muslims, because it would disrupt business too much.
GDX wiffe

Grand Rapids, MI

#45 Dec 4, 2007
You probably live in a fantastic house, are far in debt and your wife or husband probably cheats on you (at least I hope so). This business has been a major employer for more than 50 years and families have relied on it. Those places that you mentioned hiring--people have to have jobs in order to spend and require those jobs. Get a life idiot!!!
Protect yourselves wrote:
Suck it up Wabash, there are options for you. Wal Mart, Target, Kroger, Marsh, lots of good companies with opportunities for hard working dedicated people. You could go back to school, too, don't forget that. There is money to pay for that. Good luck but no whining, if you guys were competitive they wouldn't have closed the factory. Go get competitive.
john

West Salem, OH

#46 Jan 1, 2012
Gov Mitch wrote:
Apply at Honda!
typical worthless politician, ehat you need to do is go out and get a real job, instead of making yourself rich of us hard working Americans. former GDX Wabash employee. John Grimm
Linnie

Andrews, IN

#47 Mar 26, 2013
Protect yourselves wrote:
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I work with facilities in Mexico and Mainland China, actually. I speak Mandarin, a good amount of Cantonese and Spanish. French and German too. I'm not worried, there is always work in my field and I'm an experienced multi-lingual manager.
We do what we do. If you don't like it you can always go better yourselves. Frankly, if Americans competed globally the jobs would be here. The reality is that US workers don't even touch the level of work I see coming out of Mexico and China and cost a lot more besides. There are always some bad eggs but anyone will tell you that American Cars, for example, were junk until Toyota and Nissan handed our a55es to us! Better quality and cheaper too, what do you really expect a responsible manager to do?
The point is, if it makes business sense to stay, we will stay. If not, beat feet and get a new job.
You are wrong when you say Americans do not touch the level of work that other countries do. Facts are facts and the facts are that the jobs that are coming back to the states are because of poor workmanship from mexico and china. You say american workers should work for competitive wages, so are you saying americans should work for 1-2 dollars per hour with no benefits? Who could live on those wages? That is why they are taking jobs overseas, for the low wages they have to pay.

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