catndog

United States

#470 May 18, 2012
No I don't know your family. I only know what you have posted about your family. Why not blame the Dr that prescribed the hydros? Your blaming everyone else. His friend got him "hooked"? Then you say he's not an addict. He tried to get a fake MRI and he's not an addict? He bought pills from someone that went to a clinic and he's not an addict? He wanted to go to a pain clinic falsely and he's not an addict? In your opinion what is an addict then? I know you love your sonand I know your angry but for your sake and his successful recovery you need to see him for what he is. As a mother with a son I will pray for the both of you.
catndog

United States

#471 May 18, 2012
BTW: my son had kidney stones last Nov. And was prescribed 20 hydros. He ended up having to have them blasted. On his dresser is the bottle of hydros with 15 still left. He graduated from UT last Friday with honors in physics. I'm so proud of him!! As a mother I understand how you feel. I can't imagine the pain you are going thru and I sincerely hope your son can stay clean. I also know I would have to be weaned off my meds. I have turned down certain meds because I was afradto take them. I only take meds as needed. I go to a reputable place. I also research any meds before I agree to take them. I had a reaction to some medicine when I was younger and it scared me to death. I am very cautious. God bless you and your family.
Opioid Hater

Mars Hill, NC

#472 May 19, 2012
catndog wrote:
No I don't know your family. I only know what you have posted about your family. Why not blame the Dr that prescribed the hydros? Your blaming everyone else. His friend got him "hooked"? Then you say he's not an addict. He tried to get a fake MRI and he's not an addict? He bought pills from someone that went to a clinic and he's not an addict? He wanted to go to a pain clinic falsely and he's not an addict? In your opinion what is an addict then? I know you love your sonand I know your angry but for your sake and his successful recovery you need to see him for what he is. As a mother with a son I will pray for the both of you.
I never said he is not an addict, he is. You said your son had to take hydros for kidney stones.... God forbid... what if your son had a friend like my sons whos father was getting meds scripts from Vonore Pain Clinic. Also his friends father is as healthy as a horse yet he is getting 240 Roxycodones a month prescried by Vonore Pain Clinic. Now think if your son is still hurting after taking a hydro and his friend says here take one of these there just like yours just a little stronger. They work (of coarse they are a lot stronger) Then his friend gives him two more. They help more. At this point he knows he can stop any tiny pain with thes highly addictive drugs. At this point his friend says I can get you ten more for $100.... It just gets deeper and deeper until your sons whole check each weeks goes to his "Friend". That is the point where I am right now. The first week we got him off of them my wife and I had to lay on his legs to keep them from jumping. Drive heaves were constant. Then cleaning up the diarhea was also often. For five days we went through this. It will always be on our minds. I hope no one ever has to go through this with their child. Can you understand why we are so itter towards Vonore Pain Clinic and anyone associated with them???

Since: Aug 11

Vonore, TN

#473 May 24, 2012
Opioid Hater wrote:
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Again.... So you are saying that giving a patient 200+ pills a month is legit? When the pills can be sold at $30+ each do you wonder why folks are so defensive on this sight?$6000 a month will make people defend it.
And everyone that ios pushing these pills know how addictive they are. They all say that it is the individules fault for taking them, but by most part they do not know they are making a deal with the devil. They are given a few pills by a "Buddy" thinking they are having a good tim,e like drinking a few beers, but then the devils grip gets them. It does not take long for it to take hold. You all want to bash my parenting or my child for getting addicted, but I have seen it first hand. A friend of my son gave him three pills then saie give me $30 a piece and was hooked. It has now costed me $6000 in rehab, he lost his job and his wife. Yeah PILLS are great.
So again, are you saying that just because there are idiots that do illegal crap like selling pills the people that are in pain and NEED them should have to suffer??? What a person does with the pills once they walk out the door is out of any clinics hands. That's what random pill counts are for, etc. And YES, AGAIN, read what I wrote before about how long those pills are actually effective.

There are long acting pain medications that I would prefer to see patients on. Unfortunately, most of those are VERY expensive so many people cannot afford them. Oxycodone is the LEAST expensive pain medication out there. I can't help how much they sell for on the street. AGAIN, that is the idiots fault that sells them and the idiots fault that buys them.

When the drug companies make a long acting pain medication that is not expensive then we might get somewhere. But the drug companies are going to milk every penny they can out of the medications. I have no control over what they cost and neither do the patients. I just know who can afford them and who can't. If they can't afford them then they have to have something less expensive. If someone does not have insurance they will not be able to afford most long acting meds. The only semi-inexpensive extended release drug is morphine, and a lot of people are either allergic or cannot tolerate the side effects.

You have your mind set where it is and there is nothing anyone can do. It is your opinion but you do not see the other side of it. All you see is that your son got addicted to them so they must be bad. I've personally seen BOTH sides of it. So until you can see both sides, we will get nowhere.

Since: Aug 11

Vonore, TN

#474 May 24, 2012
Opioid Hater wrote:
@ PSHere -
Why not go to a Dr or rehabilitation center?
Have you written scripts of over 200 pills?
As for yo you do not know a d@mn thing about my son, he had back spasms and was persdribed Hydrocodones his friend whos dad is a pusher that went to your clinic and got many many pills (I saw one bottle for 240) a month gave him a roxy 30 to "help the pain" he did that three times and then started selling them to him. You can call him, me or anybody else that these drugs have affected all you want, anything you want, you dont know me or my family, but YOU have touched it.
Did you EVER call the clinic to REPORT the person that was selling the drugs to your son??? EVERY phone call we got we followed up on. If you don't tell us about it then how can we know and DO something to stop it??? There are going to be people that get into clinics to get pills only to sell them. It is a fact of life and it is a matter of catching them. WORKING TOGETHER is where the answer is. I don't EVER remember getting a phone call about this. I do remember getting a call from a woman that said one of my patients was selling her husband pills and it had ruined their marriage. I talked to her for 15 minutes and reassured her I would take care of the matter. The patient was discharged from my clinic immediately. It was the third phone call we had received on this person and they passed their pill counts the previous times. BUT, being the third call, I made sure it didn't go any further. THAT is how we handle things. We don't immediately discharge all patients. We call them in THAT DAY for a random pill count and drug screen. I can tell you that most don't show up and then are discharged.

I was not the one writing the prescriptions. It was either the doctor or the nurse practitioner and if they determined that the patient needed one pill every 3 hours, that would make 7 a day and would be 240 pills a month. YES, it is a legitimate amount for SOME people. But if they end up selling and YOU KNOW, then the only way I will know and can take care of it is if you CALL. I don't have a glass ball that can tell me who is selling and who isn't.

Since: Aug 11

Vonore, TN

#475 May 24, 2012
catndog wrote:
You should not blame anyone except your son. People like your son make it harder for those in legitimate pain to get help. I was referred to pain mngmt by my orthopedic surgeon from KOC and by my neurologist. They are legit drs. The best in the area. Your son was a drug abuser. I hope he gets the help he needs and stays in recovery. I think part of recovery is taking responsibility for York addiction not blaming others. Quit being an enabler for your son. Its nit the drs its not the pain management facilities fault. Its your sons
Yes, the first part of recovery is admitting you have a problem and taking responsibility for your own actions.

Since: Aug 11

Vonore, TN

#476 May 24, 2012
Opioid Hater wrote:
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I never said he is not an addict, he is. You said your son had to take hydros for kidney stones.... God forbid... what if your son had a friend like my sons whos father was getting meds scripts from Vonore Pain Clinic. Also his friends father is as healthy as a horse yet he is getting 240 Roxycodones a month prescried by Vonore Pain Clinic. Now think if your son is still hurting after taking a hydro and his friend says here take one of these there just like yours just a little stronger. They work (of coarse they are a lot stronger) Then his friend gives him two more. They help more. At this point he knows he can stop any tiny pain with thes highly addictive drugs. At this point his friend says I can get you ten more for $100.... It just gets deeper and deeper until your sons whole check each weeks goes to his "Friend". That is the point where I am right now. The first week we got him off of them my wife and I had to lay on his legs to keep them from jumping. Drive heaves were constant. Then cleaning up the diarhea was also often. For five days we went through this. It will always be on our minds. I hope no one ever has to go through this with their child. Can you understand why we are so itter towards Vonore Pain Clinic and anyone associated with them???
Vonore Pain Clinic did NOT make your son buy those pills!! If the person coming to the clinic had an MRI sent to the clinic by the place that did the MRI then PLEASE TELL ME HOW we are supposed to know that the MRI is fake??? VPM does not accept hand carried records because they can be fake or altered. VPM did EVERYTHING they could to make sure the records were REAL. But we can only do so much. If there is a place that is giving out FALSE MRI's then THEY are the one to blame. If we have an MRI that shows a legitimate problem and we have done everything we can to make sure we TRY to get REAL records, then please tell me WHAT MORE COULD WE HAVE DONE????

You're STILL placing the blame on someone else instead of on YOUR SON and the IDIOT selling the damn pills. There will ALWAYS be someone that is not legit in EVERY clinic. WE are one of the FEW clinics that REQUIRED a referral from a doctor and an MRI that showed there was a problem. WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH. There will always be someone that finds a way to get in. Do you know how many clinics there are that don't have the requirements that VPM had??? MOST of them don't. We did EVERYTHING possible to make sure the patients were legit but again, there is only so much we can do.

Do what I am doing and go after the STATE to make sure there are tighter requirements on pain clinics. Believe me, there are FAR worse clinics out there then mine was, and if I have anything to do with it they will be shut down and there will be requirements that clinics have to follow to be able to accept a patient.
Opioid Hater

Jackson, OH

#477 May 29, 2012
PS Here wrote:
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Yes, the first part of recovery is admitting you have a problem and taking responsibility for your own actions.
YOU have not made it this far I can see.... This will be my last post.... So take it for what it is worth. YOU need help! If you honestly believe what you are saying, you need serious help. You can continue to spew your sick logic, that is fine. One day you will be, if not already, be the one who causes someone to lose thier life in this devastating game you promote. YOU will be the one who has to live with it. You act as if you have no blame in this terrible issue in Monroe County, but you do... addmit it or not.... God Bless your soul, and may God have Mercy on it. I do pray that all the images of sorrow that you have had a hand in pass before your eyes each night you try and go to sleep. I and my family will pray this relentlessly... I will never give you any reason to promote your sins again....

Since: Aug 11

Vonore, TN

#478 May 29, 2012
Opioid Hater wrote:
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YOU have not made it this far I can see.... This will be my last post.... So take it for what it is worth. YOU need help! If you honestly believe what you are saying, you need serious help. You can continue to spew your sick logic, that is fine. One day you will be, if not already, be the one who causes someone to lose thier life in this devastating game you promote. YOU will be the one who has to live with it. You act as if you have no blame in this terrible issue in Monroe County, but you do... addmit it or not.... God Bless your soul, and may God have Mercy on it. I do pray that all the images of sorrow that you have had a hand in pass before your eyes each night you try and go to sleep. I and my family will pray this relentlessly... I will never give you any reason to promote your sins again....
Oh please...keep your prayers because they will be sent with resentment and not with a truly caring heart. I KNOW what goes on in the real world and believe me, when a far worse clinic comes in than mine was you will be praying that a clinic that did what mine did was there again. I don't bury my head in the sand and blame everyone else for MY sins, like you are doing with your son. You should be praying for HIM. I know who I am and why I do what I do. I have been on the couch ALL DAY because of the PAIN in my lower back. Try that on for a week or so and you would truly understand what chronic pain is. I KNOW what addiction is and I KNOW what real chronic pain is. GOD gave me these things so I WOULD understand. You will never understand anything as long as you are putting the blame on everyone else. I accept MY wrongdoings and my clinic was not one of them.

I will not pray that you understand what true chronic pain is because I would not wish that on my worst enemy. I WILL pray for you and your son that you come to terms with your anger and resentment and learn to place it where it should be. ON YOURSELVES. I will also pray that you find peace in your heart. Closing pain clinics will not do that for you. You may think it will but closing clinics will only make things far worse than they are now. Have a great life and I truly hope your son finds the recovery and peace that I have. It's not easy but it is worth it.

Since: Jun 10

Knoxville, TN

#479 Jun 7, 2012
wow finaly ...This story is comeing to a point when all who have been, a part to the nailing the pain suffer to the cross ,,and this is THE END,,,but with chronic pain each breath i take ,,,,is not fun with a spine/nerve damage...injoy the time we all have ahead of us all.I love my nurse,the dog laddy she has my support.no matter what eney one thinks about her,,,,chris@ruby....take care,,

Since: Aug 11

Vonore, TN

#480 Jun 8, 2012
wwelvis wrote:
wow finaly ...This story is comeing to a point when all who have been, a part to the nailing the pain suffer to the cross ,,and this is THE END,,,but with chronic pain each breath i take ,,,,is not fun with a spine/nerve damage...injoy the time we all have ahead of us all.I love my nurse,the dog laddy she has my support.no matter what eney one thinks about her,,,,chris@ruby....take care,,
I love you two and miss you SO very much!
Tally Ho

Brookfield, WI

#481 Jun 11, 2012
PS Here wrote:
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I love you two and miss you SO very much!
And miss ur money too.

Since: Aug 11

Vonore, TN

#482 Jun 11, 2012
Tally Ho wrote:
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And miss ur money too.
Are you a freak of nature?? Sorry but they happen to be wonderful people and I miss THEM. I have known them for two years and am just thankful to have met such wonderful people. Not everything is about money. I could care less about it. What I DO care about is PEOPLE. Now, get a life.
paps

Knoxville, TN

#483 Jun 19, 2012
PS Here wrote:
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Oh please...keep your prayers because they will be sent with resentment and not with a truly caring heart. I KNOW what goes on in the real world and believe me, when a far worse clinic comes in than mine was you will be praying that a clinic that did what mine did was there again. I don't bury my head in the sand and blame everyone else for MY sins, like you are doing with your son. You should be praying for HIM. I know who I am and why I do what I do. I have been on the couch ALL DAY because of the PAIN in my lower back. Try that on for a week or so and you would truly understand what chronic pain is. I KNOW what addiction is and I KNOW what real chronic pain is. GOD gave me these things so I WOULD understand. You will never understand anything as long as you are putting the blame on everyone else. I accept MY wrongdoings and my clinic was not one of them.
I will not pray that you understand what true chronic pain is because I would not wish that on my worst enemy. I WILL pray for you and your son that you come to terms with your anger and resentment and learn to place it where it should be. ON YOURSELVES. I will also pray that you find peace in your heart. Closing pain clinics will not do that for you. You may think it will but closing clinics will only make things far worse than they are now. Have a great life and I truly hope your son finds the recovery and peace that I have. It's not easy but it is worth it.
Wasting your time talking to her. She is right, everyone else is wrong. You can tell by the way she disagrees (cursing, etc) she has some real problems. Lost her license but she is Miss Perfect. What a fraud. Drs. need to be handling pain meds....not recovering addicts. Now I am ready for her to retaliate....just watch! Who cares what she says anyway,,,all she does is defend herself to those of us who have seen people ruined by these businesses. She loves everyone else,though lol
wendy

Mount Pleasant, TN

#484 Sep 4, 2012
need to speak with you desperately....can u email me at soonerftball1@yahoo.com
Pain Sufferer wrote:
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Not going to fuss at you...I could care less what "they" think. But I will continue to stand up for people in pain. AS I said before, if this thread helps at least one person understand then it has been worth it.
John Keller

Brookfield, WI

#485 Sep 17, 2012
wendy wrote:
need to speak with you desperately....can u email me at soonerftball1@yahoo.com
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Sounds like Wendy is suffering some pain. I think she needs a PILL.
Spyz

Goodlettsville, TN

#486 Oct 1, 2012
Xmilitary11b wrote:
Give me some more pills..... PLEASE!!!
me too!
Good Luck

Brookfield, WI

#487 Nov 12, 2012
Wendy, you are out of luck. She is out of business. The supplier is gone.

Dang bathtubs.
PS Here

Destin, FL

#488 Nov 12, 2012
Good Luck wrote:
Wendy, you are out of luck. She is out of business. The supplier is gone.
Dang bathtubs.
I closed the business because I was tired of fighting with the State. I have learned that there are too many closed minded people, many of them employees of the State, to want to keep dealing with it. I went into medicine to help people, not to have to deal with politics and ill educated people.

This will also be my last post. I do not wish to argue with people. My husband recently passed away and it made me realize that life is too short to spend time on here trying to educate people and explain how horrible chronic pain is. In the end, most people will have their own personal understanding of it, and I pray that they have decent clinics where they can go to have their pain relieved. The way things are going, they won't.

I pray everyone has a good life. Enjoy your family and friends. Make every moment with them count because as I have found out, that person can be gone in a heartbeat.
catndog

United States

#489 Nov 12, 2012
I just want you to know your in my thoughts and prayers everyday. Your a wonderful person. Anyone that knows you knows that's true. I'm so sorry for your loss. I wish you nothing but happiness.

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