Accused Child Molester "Pastor" Bob Grenier of Calvary Chapel Visalia falsely defends allegations..

Feb 25, 2012 | Posted by: Not Alone | Full story: calvarychapelabuse.com

Bob Grenier's defense to the Calvary Chapel Visalia Board leaked: Following is the outline / notes of BG's response to his Board in 2009 after they were confronted with the Child Abuse allegations, etc.

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Nov 12, 2012
 
FACT: Alex was once a semi-experienced media professional.
FACT: Alex received special training in college in how to use a media vehicle to influence/goad public opinions into correspondence with his personal opinions and/or professional aims. I mean, heck, that's the exact definition of media spin!
FACT: son Paul is angry with Father's refusal to countenance son's homosexual lifestyle choices.
FACT: son Geoff was a steroid-pumping, cocaine-abusing youth that regularly bullied his peers with physical violence. This fact is particularly well-documented.
FACT: Father refused to countenance Geoff's bullyish, boorish behavior, and in fact disciplined Geoff in an attempt to curb Geoff's bullyish and boorish violent behavior toward his peers.
FACT: Alex is angry with Father because instead of letting Alex wear Smiths t-shirts, Father insisted that sons dress sensibly from Miller's Outpost.
FACT: Alex, the one with specialized media manipulation training, has taken these facts, together with quarter-truths (which is NO kind of truth!), innuendo, sundry insinuations and outright lies to paint an unflattering public portrait of the people that he blames for his perceived sub-standard experiences as a child.
Thanks for those facts, Who! You are certainly helping to paint a more nuanced and truthful portrait than Alex has thus far!
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Therefore,
Alex is has been and is currently actively engaged in originating, managing and conducting a multi-tiered, internet-driven cyberbully hate campaign against his father with the stated intent of harming and/or significantly diminishing the quality of life and/or safety of his parents, as well as attempting to hamper Father's ability to move throughout the world in his professional capacity.
Alex has, along the way, picked up various cronies, thus allowing said cyberbully hate campaign to operate on an essentially 24 hour basis.
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Such behavior is actually actionable, and since Alex is either unable to deal with his anger in socially appropriate ways or is driven by obsessive/compulsive personality traits, he is currently being sued by Father.
This lawsuit is, coming after several years of cyberbully victimization, obviously a last resort, as Alex has refused various attempts at mediation, most especially MY ATTEMPTS TO REASON WITH HIM HERE AT TOPIX.COM !
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Please respond to any/all of the facts/premises/inferences that I have put forward in the empty box that topix.com has provided for you below. Thank you in advance.
Cordially, Who
Mathew 18 ya right

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#587
Nov 12, 2012
 
[QUOTE who=
Who wrote:
oh that's funny. If i WASN'T DRUNK RIGHT NOW i'D TRY TO GIVE YOU AN INTELLIGENT RESPONSE.
iF Y9OU HAVE FACTS, LET THEM FLY, IF NOT GO FUCK YOURSELF. i DON'T LIVE IN CHURCH AS A MATTER OF EXPERIENCE.
MY NAME IS wHO.
pS I KNOW THE CAPS LOCK IS ON"

"Fact: Who doesnt know anyone involved.

Fact: If Who doesn't actually know anyone involved how can he have any facts? He can't.

Fact: Who is a drunk with no credibility.

Fact: Who is a paid cyber troll who works for CCVisalia.

I'll say this one again because it is the truth.

Fact: If Who doesn't actually know anyone involved how can he have any facts? He can't!

Go meet the monster you defend, poser.
Go tell this monster what you have done for him for the last 2 years. Tell him how you keep the headlines about what he's done at the top of the topics list.

You are no hero, worm tongue. You are a yellow coward.

Go meet your hero. He will have much to say to you. Then we will see how you write then. If at all.

Many apologies might be written but, but I don't think you will go to CCV. Because you are a coward of no substance.

Meet the monster, coward.[/QUOTE]

What's wrong Who, no response? If you have never met Bob and don't know him, why don't you go meet him. Tell him what you have done for him. Tell him how even though you have never met him or Alex, you still know that Alex, Geoff and Paul are lying. You know that Tina, Edna, Jim, Glen, Becky, Greg, Jen, Tim, Bryan, Brian, Linda, Carie, Lorie, Lori, Lauri, Mastersonson etc. are all lying. Even though the list goes on an on, you know better. You know that 3 out of 4 sons who are actually successful in their careers, are lying.

You think you know something Who but you know nothing.

A reckoning is coming. God will not be mocked. Your worm tongue will pay dearly.
Mathew 18

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#588
Nov 12, 2012
 
Mathew 18 ya right wrote:
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What's wrong Who, no response? If you have never met Bob and don't know him, why don't you go meet him. Tell him what you have done for him. Tell him how even though you have never met him or Alex, you still know that Alex, Geoff and Paul are lying. You know that Tina, Edna, Jim, Glen, Becky, Greg, Jen, Tim, Bryan, Brian, Linda, Carie, Lorie, Lori, Lauri, Mastersonson etc. are all lying. Even though the list goes on an on, you know better. You know that 3 out of 4 sons who are actually successful in their careers, are lying.
You think you know something Who but you know nothing.
A reckoning is coming. God will not be mocked. Your worm tongue will pay dearly.
Alex, Geoff and Paul have all tried to meet with Bob and his board but they refuse. No mediators who have stepped up because only the boys are men enough to face the man they accuse.

You are a liar Who and you know nothing of the people you speak of. You are a coward and a fool. You will answer for your lies. The Lord will hear our prayers.
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#589
Nov 12, 2012
 
Go meet the man you defend Who. Tell him what you have done for him. Show us if you are truly a man or the coward we all know you to be.
Mathew 18

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#590
Nov 12, 2012
 
No? Explain it away like you always do. Explain how not knowing anyone involved, never attending church there, never speaking to anyone involved with the situation gives you the special insight to judge any of us. We have dealt with the truth. Not you

You are a liar. You know nothing. You are a coward and a fool.
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#591
Nov 13, 2012
 
Wow. Let the personal insults fly! Why don't you address my points, fact-for-fact, like a man with a spine.
Instead, you call me a coward, idiot, fool and any other non-cuss insult you've got in your bag. Weak sauce, to say the least.
My name is Who.
Maybe I'll come back here later and insult you.
Or, maybe I'll come back and reiterate my earlier arguments.
The latter is the more likely possibility.
My name is Who.
Told you so

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#592
Nov 13, 2012
 
Mathew 18 wrote:
No? Explain it away like you always do. Explain how not knowing anyone involved, never attending church there, never speaking to anyone involved with the situation gives you the special insight to judge any of us. We have dealt with the truth. Not you
You are a liar. You know nothing. You are a coward and a fool.
It is impossible for Who to do any of this. I don't think he leaves the house.
Told you so

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#593
Nov 13, 2012
 
Member wrote:
Who wrote:
oh that's funny. If i WASN'T DRUNK RIGHT NOW i'D TRY TO GIVE YOU AN INTELLIGENT RESPONSE.
iF Y9OU HAVE FACTS, LET THEM FLY, IF NOT GO FUCK YOURSELF. i DON'T LIVE IN CHURCH AS A MATTER OF EXPERIENCE.
MY NAME IS wHO.
pS I KNOW THE CAPS LOCK IS ON"
A massively fat girl wrote:
"Fact: Who Drunk Molester Pants doesnt know anyone involved.
Fact: If Who doesn't actually know anyone involved how can he have any facts? He can't.
Fact: Who is a drunk with no credibility.
Fact: Who is a paid cyber troll who works for CCVisalia.
I'll say this one again because it is the truth.
Fact: If Who doesn't actually know anyone involved how can he have any facts? He can't!
Go meet the monster you defend, poser.
Go tell this monster what you have done for him for the last 2 years. Tell him how you keep the headlines about what he's done at the top of the topics list.

You are no hero, worm tongue. You are a yellow coward.

Go meet your hero. He will have much to say to you. Then we will see how you write then. If at all.

Many apologies might be written, maybe not because you will never go. Because you are a coward of no substance.

Meet the monster, coward.
Told you so

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Nov 13, 2012
 
a DD DeWhoon | Sunday
Who wrote:
"oh that's funny. If i WASN'T DRUNK RIGHT NOW i'D TRY TO GIVE YOU AN INTELLIGENT RESPONSE.
iF Y9OU HAVE FACTS, LET THEM FLY, IF NOT GO FUCK YOURSELF. i DON'T LIVE IN CHURCH AS A MATTER OF EXPERIENCE.
MY NAME IS wHO.
pS I KNOW THE CAPS LOCK IS ON"

Your posts mean nothing because you don't know anything. You are making it all up. You sir are a liar. I call you a liar because it is the truth. I know the truth because I actually know everyone involved. I was actually there. I actually have experience. Unlike you I do have a spine. Unlike you I am not a coward.

Your words drip from your fowl mouth like poison, worm tongue. You are a liar from the father of lies.
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#595
Nov 13, 2012
 
Name-calling and personal attacks may make for an excellent hate campaign, but they don't make good arguments.
Cyberbully.
Harpoon a DeWhoon

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#596
Nov 13, 2012
 
Told you so wrote:
Who wrote:
"oh that's funny. If i WASN'T DRUNK RIGHT NOW i'D TRY TO GIVE YOU AN INTELLIGENT RESPONSE.
iF Y9OU HAVE FACTS, LET THEM FLY, IF NOT GO FUCK YOURSELF. i DON'T LIVE IN CHURCH AS A MATTER OF EXPERIENCE.
MY NAME IS wHO.
pS I KNOW THE CAPS LOCK IS ON"
Your posts mean nothing because you don't know anything. You are making it all up. You sir are a liar. I call you a liar because it is the truth. I know the truth because I actually know everyone involved. I was actually there. I actually have experience. Unlike you I do have a spine. Unlike you I am not a coward.
Your words drip from your fowl mouth like poison, worm tongue. You are a liar from the father of lies.
Again, you don't know the people you are talking about. You don't know what happened to any of us. You a a liar and a paid cyber troll.

Go meet your employer. Tell him what you have done for him. Collect your 30 prices of silver.
Harpoon a DeWhoon

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Nov 13, 2012
 
Told you so wrote:
a DD DeWhoon | Sunday
Who wrote:
"oh that's funny. If i WASN'T DRUNK RIGHT NOW i'D TRY TO GIVE YOU AN INTELLIGENT RESPONSE.
iF Y9OU HAVE FACTS, LET THEM FLY, IF NOT GO FUCK YOURSELF. i DON'T LIVE IN CHURCH AS A MATTER OF EXPERIENCE.
MY NAME IS wHO.
pS I KNOW THE CAPS LOCK IS ON"

Your posts mean nothing because you don't know anything. You are making it all up. You sir are a liar. I call you a liar because it is the truth. I know the truth because I actually know everyone involved. I was actually there. I actually have experience. Unlike you I do have a spine. Unlike you I am not a coward.
Your words drip from your fowl mouth like poison, worm tongue. You are a liar from the father of lies.
I call you the names that describe your character. Accurately describe what you are doing here. You are spreading lies and enjoy doing it. I expect that in real life you are a vile person with no freinds. How could it be otherwise when all you do is attack us daily. Attack the victims of an abusive pastor and fake spiritual leader.

I shudder to think what you do to people in real life.
Why Do You Care

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#598
Nov 13, 2012
 
Who, unless you're an attorney, you should bow out of the legal explanations and proclamations...

You've stated everything that needs to be stated from an 'outsider's' perspective. Let the attorneys do their jobs and STFU.

WWJF? Aren't you supposed to be following in his footsteps?
Why Do You Care

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#599
Nov 13, 2012
 
That was meant to say WWJD?
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Nov 13, 2012
 
The funny thing is Who has done nothing but promote it. This would have died along time ago if Who wasn't posting. Sure Alex and others come on from time to time but Who is daily.

He sounds credible until you knw he doesn't actually "know" anything about the people he is blogging about. He only knows us all from here. He defends the abuser because he doesn't like Alex's style. That's it, his only reasoning. He defends a man acused of hurting his YOUNG sons beyond what is considered normal, without actually knowing the man he defends. On other threads he rails on pastors caught doing the same things but for some reason he defends this one.

I can only deduce that he does it because he hates Alex or because Alex has support from all of us who have also been under the con mans gambit. Why would he defend someone he knows nothing about?

Most of the alleged abuse, both physical and sexual, allegedly happened to children under 10. Some when they were older but the truly brutal stuff while they were small and helpless. Who tries to paint it like they were teenagers being unruly boys but discounts the effect of long term abuse on the same boys conditioning. They turned out descent human beings in spite of the alleged extreme abuse.

How could a blogger be so unhinged as to proclaim such knowledge but actually have none? I say a good honest person could not live with their actions. I know I couldn't.

I have questioned myself many times about the reasoning behind the warnings about this pastor and every time I minimize my own encounters to the point I want to quite, I meet someone new or get an email or phone call from another victim and they are torn up.

Many people have walked away from the Lord because of how this church treats their castaways.

Who will never understand this because it's hate that drives him. He has no love for any he attacks or defends and without love there is nothing. He would fit in well at CCV.
Who

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Nov 13, 2012
 
THAT'S better! I'll point for point you later today.
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Nov 13, 2012
 
FACT: Alex was once a semi-experienced media professional.
FACT: Alex received special training in college in how to use a media vehicle to influence/goad public opinions into correspondence with his personal opinions and/or professional aims. I mean, heck, that's the exact definition of media spin!
FACT: son Paul is angry with Father's refusal to countenance son's homosexual lifestyle choices.
FACT: son Geoff was a steroid-pumping, cocaine-abusing youth that regularly bullied his peers with physical violence. This fact is particularly well-documented.
FACT: Father refused to countenance Geoff's bullyish, boorish behavior, and in fact disciplined Geoff in an attempt to curb Geoff's bullyish and boorish violent behavior toward his peers.
FACT: Alex is angry with Father because instead of letting Alex wear Smiths t-shirts, Father insisted that sons dress sensibly from Miller's Outpost.
FACT: Alex, the one with specialized media manipulation training, has taken these facts, together with quarter-truths (which is NO kind of truth!), innuendo, sundry insinuations and outright lies to paint an unflattering public portrait of the people that he blames for his perceived sub-standard experiences as a child.
Thanks for those facts, Who! You are certainly helping to paint a more nuanced and truthful portrait than Alex has thus far!
-=-=-=-=-=
Therefore,
Alex is has been and is currently actively engaged in originating, managing and conducting a multi-tiered, internet-driven cyberbully hate campaign against his father with the stated intent of harming and/or significantly diminishing the quality of life and/or safety of his parents, as well as attempting to hamper Father's ability to move throughout the world in his professional capacity.
Alex has, along the way, picked up various cronies, thus allowing said cyberbully hate campaign to operate on an essentially 24 hour basis.
+=+=+=+=+=
Such behavior is actually actionable, and since Alex is either unable to deal with his anger in socially appropriate ways or is driven by obsessive/compulsive personality traits, he is currently being sued by Father.
This lawsuit is, coming after several years of cyberbully victimization, obviously a last resort, as Alex has refused various attempts at mediation, most especially MY ATTEMPTS TO REASON WITH HIM HERE AT TOPIX.COM !
+=+=+=+=+=
Please respond to any/all of the facts/premises/inferences that I have put forward in the empty box that topix.com has provided for you below. Thank you in advance.
Cordially, Who
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#603
Nov 13, 2012
 
DeWhoon, this guy (Who) is not right in the head. To use his parlance, here's a few point-by-point observations of the guy:

1. He's a last-word fetishist,
2. He appears to be narcissistic,
3. He's a control freak,
4. He abuses his keyboard's CTRL, C & V keys,
5. He gives Christianity a bad name,
6. He only hears what he wants to hear,
7. He's a TROLL.

This last point is key. You cannot reason with a troll. I wonder what will become of him once Alex prevails. I imagine he'll act out for awhile before he slitters away.
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Nov 13, 2012
 
you says
"...This would have died along time ago if Who wasn't posting. Sure Alex and others come on from time to time but Who is daily..."
Who says
You are obviously a newbie. Let me enlighten you on the facts. Alex USED to be here daily, then I showed up with the Socratic method and he realized he couldn't dodge my questions and maintain his credibility indefinitely. He started his hatesite and continued to post here. Kept dodging my questions, realized I wouldn't stop until he answered them, and now he's scarce round these parts. All I did was point out his many inconsistencies.
you says
"...He defends the abuser because he doesn't like Alex's style. That's it, his only reasoning..."
Who says
I do not believe that the word 'abuse' and Alex' childhood belong in the same sentence. If you'd like a sense of what constitutes abuse, watch the following video, please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
you says
"...Why would he defend someone he knows nothing about?..."
Who says
This is NOT an either/or. I am not so much defending Bob as I am trying to find the truth. and Alex' words have left me emptyhanded, so I continue the search. Get over it.
you says
"...alleged allegedly but tries to paint it like they were being but alleged extreme abuse..."
Who says
Once again, here's some extreme abuse for you, just to get perspective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
you says
"...proclaim such knowledge but actually have none?..."
Who says
Surely you got an F in epistemology. I've learned PLENTY from Alex' own mouth, from what he's said, what he doesn't say, and the questions he dodges.
Look up the term 'epistemology' here
www.wikipedia.org , and beyond that, I'm not here to give thinking lessons, unless you pay me. Maybe I'll set up a paypal.com account for you!
to be continued.
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Nov 13, 2012
 
you says
"...You cannot reason with a troll..."
Who says
You've not tried to reason with me, so how can you 'know' that (there's that pesky word again!)?!
I hope you don't think what you've typed thus far qualifies as reasoning!
Like to hear it, here it go!
FACT: Alex was once a semi-experienced media professional.
FACT: Alex received special training in college in how to use a media vehicle to influence/goad public opinions into correspondence with his personal opinions and/or professional aims. I mean, heck, that's the exact definition of media spin!
FACT: son Paul is angry with Father's refusal to countenance son's homosexual lifestyle choices.
FACT: son Geoff was a steroid-pumping, cocaine-abusing youth that regularly bullied his peers with physical violence. This fact is particularly well-documented.
FACT: Father refused to countenance Geoff's bullyish, boorish behavior, and in fact disciplined Geoff in an attempt to curb Geoff's bullyish and boorish violent behavior toward his peers.
FACT: Alex is angry with Father because instead of letting Alex wear Smiths t-shirts, Father insisted that sons dress sensibly from Miller's Outpost.
FACT: Alex, the one with specialized media manipulation training, has taken these facts, together with quarter-truths (which is NO kind of truth!), innuendo, sundry insinuations and outright lies to paint an unflattering public portrait of the people that he blames for his perceived sub-standard experiences as a child.
Thanks for those facts, Who! You are certainly helping to paint a more nuanced and truthful portrait than Alex has thus far!
-=-=-=-=-=
Therefore,
Alex is has been and is currently actively engaged in originating, managing and conducting a multi-tiered, internet-driven cyberbully hate campaign against his father with the stated intent of harming and/or significantly diminishing the quality of life and/or safety of his parents, as well as attempting to hamper Father's ability to move throughout the world in his professional capacity.
Alex has, along the way, picked up various cronies, thus allowing said cyberbully hate campaign to operate on an essentially 24 hour basis.
+=+=+=+=+=
Such behavior is actually actionable, and since Alex is either unable to deal with his anger in socially appropriate ways or is driven by obsessive/compulsive personality traits, he is currently being sued by Father.
This lawsuit is, coming after several years of cyberbully victimization, obviously a last resort, as Alex has refused various attempts at mediation, most especially MY ATTEMPTS TO REASON WITH HIM HERE AT TOPIX.COM !
+=+=+=+=+=
Please respond to any/all of the facts/premises/inferences that I have put forward in the empty box that topix.com has provided for you below. Thank you in advance.
Cordially, Who

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