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Dude

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Aug 26, 2012
 
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Certain entities would like you to think there is a debate on the radiative forcing causing climate change. There is not. Since our atmosphere is a closed system, we can now measure what goes in and what goes out with relative certainty. I work as a climatologist for a private firm in town, and it's been 15 years since the conclusion was derived that humans play 90-100% of a role in modern climate change.
Thanks Andrew, if you would, how can we measure what is going in and out? Also, how does the magnetic field diminishment affect climate change? I would find it extremely hard to believe that we can measure solar radiation with absolute certainty, especially in places like the south Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly. Don't get me wrong, I believe this should be a concern, just as great Pacific and Atlantic garbage patches, and the lack of Midwest glacier deposit conservation. It's a lot to take on, and the financial and social implications are extreme. When those that actually do digest it, it's not difficult to understand why nihilists are the way they are. It’s also very easy to understand why deniers are so very absolute in their denial. Will we be rocking back and forth saying,“This is not happening” or will we be going on about our existence? Thinkingfree is right; the elements aren’t going to care if we’re wrong.
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#23
Aug 26, 2012
 
AH, Scientology, gives new credence to PT Barnum.
Dude

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Aug 26, 2012
 
thinking free wrote:
AH, Scientology, gives new credence to PT Barnum.
"Religion, that's where the money is at"
~L. Ron Hubbard
Of course, nothing in my post actually referres to Scientology, or Xenu.
Dude

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#25
Aug 26, 2012
 
thinking free wrote:
AH, Scientology, gives new credence to PT Barnum.
Oh, and PT Barnum didn't say it first, Mark Twain did.
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Aug 26, 2012
 
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think the real debate is climate change anymore; I think the real debate is whether it is anthropogenic or not.
anthropogenic; purty big word fo a redneck tea purty idiot usin round these parts ...i'm imperessed ...
Dude

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anthropogenic; purty big word fo a redneck tea purty idiot usin round these parts ...i'm imperessed ...
I'm moving on up... double wide.
Obama 2012

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UVA recently denied President Obama an opportunity to make a campaign stop at their campus. Any Federal Funding UVA receives should be terminated. If they want Federal money, they should support our nation's President.
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Dude wrote:
<quoted text>I'm moving on up... double wide.
next door to huck, no doubt

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

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Dude wrote:
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This is how her post started:
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"At one point I had my doubts "
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You personally aren't, big government is, which you support.(you pretend you don't, but main stream republicanism is not for small government, and make no doubt about it the Tea Party is nothing more than the CCA under a different name. "You can polish a ****, but it's still a ****." or "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."
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Romney is a candidate, Romney is mormon, presidential candidates give religion legitimacy. If A=B, and B=C, then A must equal C. It's like when JFK was elected, Catholics certainly became less discriminated against. I bet Tom Cruise can't wait to get a scientologist up there.
Wow, you obviously have never taken the time to read my postings on this sight. If you think that I am a "big government guy” then you need to take a reading comprehension class at your local elementary school.
As far as my response to the environut, I was responding to the body of her post which you obviously didn't take time to read carefully.

And for something to be considered mainstream it has to be accepted or practiced by a majority of a population to which The Church of Latter Day Saints is not. Besides you try to pass yourself of as a "free thinker" but then try to tear someone else down based on their beliefs.

I my friend am a live and let live but don't tread on me American.
Dude

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Aug 27, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Wow, you obviously have never taken the time to read my postings on this sight. If you think that I am a "big government guy” then you need to take a reading comprehension class at your local elementary school.
As far as my response to the environut, I was responding to the body of her post which you obviously didn't take time to read carefully.
And for something to be considered mainstream it has to be accepted or practiced by a majority of a population to which The Church of Latter Day Saints is not. Besides you try to pass yourself of as a "free thinker" but then try to tear someone else down based on their beliefs.
I my friend am a live and let live but don't tread on me American.
I have and they mirror what I've come to expect from Tea Partiests. They espouse libertarian ideas, but as soon as they're presented with scenarios that aren't main stream republican, they tuck tail and sacrifice their rights for security, or support main stream republicans.
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I did read "free thinkers" post and they opened it with, at first I had my doubts. The body of the message wasn't nearly as extreme as you make it out to be.
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Actually, no it doesn't; it just has to be legitimatized by the majority. You failed the test, a true small government constitutional libertarian would have said, "so what." I personally don't care if he's a Mormon, Jewish, buddhist or a Muslim.

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Dude wrote:
<quoted text>I have and they mirror what I've come to expect from Tea Partiests. They espouse libertarian ideas, but as soon as they're presented with scenarios that aren't main stream republican, they tuck tail and sacrifice their rights for security, or support main stream republicans.
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I did read "free thinkers" post and they opened it with, at first I had my doubts. The body of the message wasn't nearly as extreme as you make it out to be.
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Actually, no it doesn't; it just has to be legitimatized by the majority. You failed the test, a true small government constitutional libertarian would have said, "so what." I personally don't care if he's a Mormon, Jewish, buddhist or a Muslim.
There seems to be a disconnect with my intent and your understanding. Did you not understand my saying "live and let live"? This means I don't give a s..h..i..t what you do to yourself as long as you don't infringe on my rights or harm anyone. Just leave me and others out of it and if you get into trouble don't ask the government for an entitlement to fix your stupid decisions.

Have you not read my profile quote, "Equal Opportunities not Equal Results"?

Also, I am not affiliated with any Tea Party orgs.
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C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>There seems to be a disconnect with my intent and your understanding. Did you not understand my saying "live and let live"? This means I don't give a s..h..i..t what you do to yourself as long as you don't infringe on my rights or harm anyone. Just leave me and others out of it and if you get into trouble don't ask the government for an entitlement to fix your stupid decisions.
Have you not read my profile quote, "Equal Opportunities not Equal Results"?
Also, I am not affiliated with any Tea Party orgs.
Then we're similar. I've quoted your quote before, citing your profile name as credit.
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To the topic at hand, it is debatable.
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Andrew wrote:
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Certain entities would like you to think there is a debate on the radiative forcing causing climate change. There is not. Since our atmosphere is a closed system, we can now measure what goes in and what goes out with relative certainty. I work as a climatologist for a private firm in town, and it's been 15 years since the conclusion was derived that humans play 90-100% of a role in modern climate change.
How long did it take for it to be generally accepted that smoking is bad for you? The penalty for this one isn't the health of an individual. The damage is already done, and the results are inevitable. You may as well eat, drink, and be merry. Tomorrow is a big question mark.
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How long did it take for it to be generally accepted that smoking is bad for you? The penalty for this one isn't the health of an individual. The damage is already done, and the results are inevitable. You may as well eat, drink, and be merry. Tomorrow is a big question mark.
That's kind of nihilistic, isn't?
CvilleMechEngr

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Dude wrote:
<quoted text>That's kind of nihilistic, isn't?
Do you have any ideas for reversing this? I don't believe that the magic tipping point is out there somewhere: it has passed.

It is absolutely true that nature has at times had its catastrophic way with this planet. One big volcano can do way more than we have done. One errant asteroid can cancel all of our arguments. We have no control over that. Those things have happened over the course of millions of years.

What we have done we have managed to do in a few decades. We are overpopulated, our resources are rapidly being tapped out, and we most certainly affect the environment. We can create dust bowls, we can fish out the sea, and we can change the atmosphere.

Haiti is a miniature study of what we can do. Haiti would descend into complete madness if not for outside intervention. There is nothing left there. If nature was allowed to take its course there would be a big ugly population adjustment, and perhaps the few people who remained after that would do fine. The same thing can happen on a planetary scale.

Human life becomes cheaper by the day. When any species becomes overpopulated they go nuts. There is no compassion. Nature is not compassionate. The planet will continue to exist even if most of us don't.

That's not nihilistic. It's reality. I'm not going to cite a laundry list of references. Anyone can find references, studies, or biblical passages to support any position. I see everything around me approaching a critical mass so to speak. I think that a big adjustment is inevitable, but there's no point in fretting about it. I'm not young. There's a good chance that I'll complete my long and happy life in relative comfort and security. I could fix the world if I had absolute power, but that's not going to happen. Why not enjoy life?
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CvilleMechEngr wrote:
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Do you have any ideas for reversing this? I don't believe that the magic tipping point is out there somewhere: it has passed.
It is absolutely true that nature has at times had its catastrophic way with this planet. One big volcano can do way more than we have done. One errant asteroid can cancel all of our arguments. We have no control over that. Those things have happened over the course of millions of years.
What we have done we have managed to do in a few decades. We are overpopulated, our resources are rapidly being tapped out, and we most certainly affect the environment. We can create dust bowls, we can fish out the sea, and we can change the atmosphere.
Haiti is a miniature study of what we can do. Haiti would descend into complete madness if not for outside intervention. There is nothing left there. If nature was allowed to take its course there would be a big ugly population adjustment, and perhaps the few people who remained after that would do fine. The same thing can happen on a planetary scale.
Human life becomes cheaper by the day. When any species becomes overpopulated they go nuts. There is no compassion. Nature is not compassionate. The planet will continue to exist even if most of us don't.
That's not nihilistic. It's reality. I'm not going to cite a laundry list of references. Anyone can find references, studies, or biblical passages to support any position. I see everything around me approaching a critical mass so to speak. I think that a big adjustment is inevitable, but there's no point in fretting about it. I'm not young. There's a good chance that I'll complete my long and happy life in relative comfort and security. I could fix the world if I had absolute power, but that's not going to happen. Why not enjoy life?
I completely understand that position, I can cite many Malthusian examples, but I think Easter island is probably the best. The quote that I think suits best is, "The earth will be fine, it's humanity that is at risk". I too am not young and have thought the same as you, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I think we've reached the tipping point. My approach as an individual is enjoy life, and try to minimize harm and hope future generations will figure it out? Like I've posted before, I'm far more concerned with the effects of this drought than the election, but in any case, as an individual, rhere's only so much affect I can make.
reality bites

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Haiti's turned into a war zone and has virtually destroyed itself which I find ironic. So, whats in store for usins? As a people occupying the North American Continent we suck, old fat white guys seem to ruin everything. There are some plus indicators, we seem to be learning from our mistakes but we still have the capacity to soil our nest, mountain top removal and the like, Do we learn enough before the scale tips, history tells us no. My own belief? Not until we fix a culture that is dominated by old fat white guys and we see each other as individuals will things change. Very doubtful. There is a light at the end of the tunnel though, the right wing fanatics have seen their better days, after this election, which OBama will win by the way,(not speculation but fact), conservative politics will be at a standstill, one need only look around the world to see where we are headed, where we should of been a long time ago. Old fat white guys, the death of us yet, the death of a lot of young kids who are dying today.

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