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Albemarle Businesses Propose Cheaper Alternative to Gasoline - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA New...

There are 25 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Albemarle Businesses Propose Cheaper Alternative to Gasoline - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA New.... In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Some businesses in Albemarle County are hoping to fuel their vehicles with cheap alternative to gasoline, but it would require community support.

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MWS

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Aug 27, 2012
Natural gas might burn cleaner, but the method by which they extract it from the earth is anything but clean. Cheney, and Rove deregulated natural gas extraction for Halliburton(Cheney's ENOURMOUS source of profit). They mine it by a system called FRACing. Which means they drill deep into the earth and set off a small explosion. This releases the natural gas to rise to the surface so thy can collect it. What they wont tell you, and what they can't control is the gas gets into the water supply. Wind, and solar are the only only clean energy sources. Va Eagle should look into an electric fleet if they want clean, cheap fuel. What are the chances of an Anheuser Busch company doing the right thing versus just trying to increase their own profit. Maybe Mr. Wheeler should let Halliburton FRAC on his land out in Keswick. Doubt that he'll go for that.
Wind and sun

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Aug 27, 2012
Countyres

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Aug 27, 2012
I would immediately convert my 12mpg f-350 work truck to CNG and I have several more construction vehicles that would soon follow. This is the way we will be fueling in the next 5-7years so get ready people, f... Big Oil!!!
Dude

Ardsley, NY

#4 Aug 27, 2012
MWS wrote:
Natural gas might burn cleaner, but the method by which they extract it from the earth is anything but clean. Cheney, and Rove deregulated natural gas extraction for Halliburton(Cheney's ENOURMOUS source of profit). They mine it by a system called FRACing. Which means they drill deep into the earth and set off a small explosion. This releases the natural gas to rise to the surface so thy can collect it. What they wont tell you, and what they can't control is the gas gets into the water supply. Wind, and solar are the only only clean energy sources. Va Eagle should look into an electric fleet if they want clean, cheap fuel. What are the chances of an Anheuser Busch company doing the right thing versus just trying to increase their own profit. Maybe Mr. Wheeler should let Halliburton FRAC on his land out in Keswick. Doubt that he'll go for that.
They don't set off explosions, it's hydraulics; also, the debate is with what they use to "frac" that is controversial. The two main issues are water contamination and seismic activity.
Dude

Ardsley, NY

#5 Aug 27, 2012
Countyres wrote:
I would immediately convert my 12mpg f-350 work truck to CNG and I have several more construction vehicles that would soon follow. This is the way we will be fueling in the next 5-7years so get ready people, f... Big Oil!!!
It's still a relative short term solution, but it can buy us time until we perfect a better alternative. Algae fuels, diesel specifically, can be an ideal alternative, if it ever becomes cost effective. Big oil and utilities pretty much own the gas deposits
John

United States

#6 Aug 27, 2012
these comments show a lack of brain power from Charlottesville residents. There are No explosions involved in the fracking process. Why is it always the fault of Bush/Cheney?
Roger

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Aug 27, 2012
MWS wrote:
Natural gas might burn cleaner, but the method by which they extract it from the earth is anything but clean. Cheney, and Rove deregulated natural gas extraction for Halliburton(Cheney's ENOURMOUS source of profit). They mine it by a system called FRACing. Which means they drill deep into the earth and set off a small explosion. This releases the natural gas to rise to the surface so thy can collect it. What they wont tell you, and what they can't control is the gas gets into the water supply. Wind, and solar are the only only clean energy sources. Va Eagle should look into an electric fleet if they want clean, cheap fuel. What are the chances of an Anheuser Busch company doing the right thing versus just trying to increase their own profit. Maybe Mr. Wheeler should let Halliburton FRAC on his land out in Keswick. Doubt that he'll go for that.
Small explosions? Explosions inside of a natural gas well seems like a great idea if you believe natural gas itself is not explosive. They use hydraulics to induce rock fissures, hence the large need for water. Why do you think coal is cleaner than natural gas? With the majority of electricity coming from coal you are directly implying that coal is the cleaner of the two fuel types. Natural gas is cleaner than coal so when why don't you read some facts and get back to me but until then, stop your propaganda (or ignorance) on the forum.
Eaglescout1984

Charlottesville, VA

#8 Aug 27, 2012
Is it really THAT expensive if you already have city gas? I wouldn't think a fueling station in the city would even need tanks.
I know if I could convert one of my vehicles (probably my truck since I don't do long trips with it) to run CNG I would, and just put a hookup in my driveway. Maybe the city should consider subsidizing the conversion for gas customers to make money off it!
citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#9 Aug 27, 2012
Don't forget that there will need to a be facility that has TRAINED TECHNICIANS that can SAFELY service these vehicles.
A guy

Moneta, VA

#11 Aug 27, 2012
NitWit Ronmey wrote:
"Big Oil" is seeing to it that gas prices will be well over $4 a gallon in an effort to get there boy "Mittens" elected. Big Oil runs the Republican Party and they aren't interested in seeing you convert to NG any time soon. They still have to many billions to make fleecing the American people and ole "Mittens" wants to be sure he gets his cut which he will quietly deposit in one of his convenient off shore accounts so he doesn't have to pay taxes on it.
Major companies give an equal amount of money to both the Demcoratic and Republican parties in America. That is public information. So please, where is the evidence that "big oil" runs the GOP?
A guy

Moneta, VA

#12 Aug 27, 2012
Major energy* companies
reality bites

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Aug 27, 2012
This has been around forever, while more efficient than regular gasoline it doesn't deliver the same energy in a internal combustion engine as gasoline hence its not so very popular demand. But it is a viable alternative, but big oil does rule the roost, any idiot can see that, so we continue using gasoline and diesel. The top five corporations that don't pay taxes are big oil, and we subsidize them? Please.
Local

Charlottesville, VA

#14 Aug 27, 2012
NitWit Ronmey wrote:
"Big Oil" is seeing to it that gas prices will be well over $4 a gallon in an effort to get there boy "Mittens" elected. Big Oil runs the Republican Party and they aren't interested in seeing you convert to NG any time soon. They still have to many billions to make fleecing the American people and ole "Mittens" wants to be sure he gets his cut which he will quietly deposit in one of his convenient off shore accounts so he doesn't have to pay taxes on it.
I believe the government makes (90 cents or more per gallon) more from a gallon of gas than BIG OIL (average 2 cents per gallon)once you figure in all of the overhead from well to pump.
I believe the current administration has actually cut US production of oil and has also stopped all off shore exploration for future wells. You want prices down, and then we need to start drilling. Granted prices won't drop significantly overnight, but in 5 years we would see a dramatic reduction. If we only had started these 5 years ago when the prices went up we wouldn't be talking about $4.00 gas.
And no, I do believe we need alternatives, but at this point in time they are too expensive and will be at least another 5 to 10 years before they are advanced enough and cheap enough to sell to the regular consumer. Take a look at the advancement in photo cell technology over the last 15 years, or better yet, the Iphone would you have believe the capabilities of a portable cellular device 15 years ago?
citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Aug 27, 2012
The tax that federal and state government gets off each gallon of gas far exceeds the two or so cents per gallon that the petroleum company makes.

Get the facts at the American Petroleum Institute website.

Those who complain about big oil the most around here tend to be the tunas that would rather drive their SUV to a store one mile away than walk. Then they have the temerity to complain about the cost of their diabetes prescriptions.
hmna

Charlottesville, VA

#16 Aug 27, 2012
If you look at energy content, you need about 1.5 gallons of liquid natural gas to have the same energy content as 1 gallon of gas.

Compressed natural gas is even worse - you need 126 cubic feet (about 942 gallons) to get the energy equivalent of one gallon of gas.

To make this practical, you need liquid natural gas instead of compressed natural gas.

You still come out ahead price wise. But it's $1.82 per gas equivalent gallon of LNG when comparing energy content.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_gallon_...

http://alternativefuels.about.com/od/resource...
The Bear

Charlottesville, VA

#17 Aug 27, 2012
This and drilling for oil will get us to being independent energy users.
heh

Charlottesville, VA

#18 Aug 27, 2012
citizen wrote:
The tax that federal and state government gets off each gallon of gas far exceeds the two or so cents per gallon that the petroleum company makes.
Get the facts at the American Petroleum Institute website.
Those who complain about big oil the most around here tend to be the tunas that would rather drive their SUV to a store one mile away than walk. Then they have the temerity to complain about the cost of their diabetes prescriptions.
http://www.investinganswers.com/images/most-p...

"In 2011, the industry posted a $137 billion profit, a 75 percent increase over 2010 according to the Natural Resources Defense Council. Not a bad year when you consider that the country is going through a debilitating recession.

Whatís more distressing is the fact that oil companies have received tax breaks of approximately $4 billion a year in an attempt to stimulate controlling rising costs passed on to consumers. Thatís 4 BILLION DOLLARS to an industry that has seen nothing short of Bernie Madoff-like profits over the past decade.

As I write this column, the national average price per gallon for gasoline is $3.85. At $4 a gallon, did you know that approximately $1 of each gallon is pure profit for oil companies?"

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/article/20...
Jamie

Wytheville, VA

#19 Aug 27, 2012
For some reason, companies making profits seems to be a no-no for heh. Companies making profits either expand their business or pay dividends to their shareholders or interest to their bond holders. This is all a good thing for people who have invested their money for retirement or to pay for their kids education or simply to have a better life. What's wrong with that?
Lying teachers

Aylett, VA

#20 Aug 27, 2012
Burn liberaks.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#21 Aug 27, 2012
Jamie wrote:
For some reason, companies making profits seems to be a no-no for heh. Companies making profits either expand their business or pay dividends to their shareholders or interest to their bond holders. This is all a good thing for people who have invested their money for retirement or to pay for their kids education or simply to have a better life. What's wrong with that?
I don't know how 'heh' missed this gem, but I've debated and disagreed with him long enough to know that's not true. They can make as much as they want as long as two things apply. One they respect personal property rights and civil liberties, and two; they don't receive a dime in government subsidies in any form. If I made ten million dollars in profit, and two million of that was government subsidies, would you be for that, too? How do you feel about welfare? 100 percent of those people's profit are government subsidy.

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