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curious

Logan, WV

#1 Apr 5, 2012
I was wondering how many of the company men were laid off?????
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Virgie, KY

#3 Apr 6, 2012
curious wrote:
I was wondering how many of the company men were laid off?????
Where is this mine located and how many got laid off!
Wanna Watch

Chesterfield, MO

#4 Apr 7, 2012
It's located on Caney Highway just above Penny Road intrsection. All PNP contract workers are gone as well as five Cam employees. Another Cam mine at Deane laid off 22 guys also, is what I hear.
boy

Chesterfield, MO

#6 Apr 7, 2012
gona lay off 223 more this week gona get tuff around here
That is terrible

Virgie, KY

#7 Apr 7, 2012
Wanna Watch wrote:
It's located on Caney Highway just above Penny Road intrsection. All PNP contract workers are gone as well as five Cam employees. Another Cam mine at Deane laid off 22 guys also, is what I hear.
what is a PNP. What about their trucking company? I really hate to hear that.
That is terrible

Virgie, KY

#8 Apr 7, 2012
curious wrote:
I was wondering how many of the company men were laid off?????
I would say "none"
WnnaWatch

Chesterfield, MO

#9 Apr 8, 2012
That is terrible wrote:
<quoted text>what is a PNP. What about their trucking company? I really hate to hear that.
PNP is a company that supplies a lot of mines with contract workers. I don't know anything about a trucking company. The reason given for the layoff was low demand and I would assume they won't sell the coal cheap, I'd say the truckers aren't far behind.
That is terrible

Virgie, KY

#11 Apr 8, 2012
WnnaWatch wrote:
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PNP is a company that supplies a lot of mines with contract workers. I don't know anything about a trucking company. The reason given for the layoff was low demand and I would assume they won't sell the coal cheap, I'd say the truckers aren't far behind.
I did not know about the contract company. That keeps CAM from having to pay benefits to employees. Low demand is the reason for a lot of lay-off's right now. Coal is stockpiled everywhere because of the mild winter. I guess they have decided to just hold on the coal rather than sell it at such low price. I always hate to hear of people being laid off. However, when you work a coal company that is how it is. You never know when you are going to be sent to the house. People are going to have to get re-trained for other jobs and simply move out of the area. The sad thing is most of these men have dedicated a lot of time in mining and are not trained for any other profession. I would rather make less money, and know I have it all the time than have a check this week, but no check next week.
boy

Chesterfield, MO

#13 Apr 9, 2012
That is terrible wrote:
<quoted text>I did not know about the contract company. That keeps CAM from having to pay benefits to employees. Low demand is the reason for a lot of lay-off's right now. Coal is stockpiled everywhere because of the mild winter. I guess they have decided to just hold on the coal rather than sell it at such low price. I always hate to hear of people being laid off. However, when you work a coal company that is how it is. You never know when you are going to be sent to the house. People are going to have to get re-trained for other jobs and simply move out of the area. The sad thing is most of these men have dedicated a lot of time in mining and are not trained for any other profession. I would rather make less money, and know I have it all the time than have a check this week, but no check next week.
Gas companies are killing coal ever where you look they have drilled wells stealling folks gas with the new drilling rigs now they gona put the same people out of work that they stole from and gas is so much cheaper there gona use it in place of coal
right in it

Elkhorn City, KY

#14 Apr 9, 2012
i know this is a bad stance to take, but, i feel that mtr is hurting underground mining more than anything else right now.
when you hear of layoffs in mtr, you think, ok they must not be doing too good, wrong, everyone should have seen this coming,
when mtr came in and started taking the coal so quickly, everyone should have known eventually they would take when they needed and move on, leaving these men without jobs.
and this in turn hurt undeground mining, not only cause it takes so much longer to mine coal in this way, but, because the epa and the govt is putting all these restrictions, and holding up permits etc....it is trickling down....
they should have left things the way it was, mine coal from under ground, sure one might argue its more dangerous, but, that is a risk these men have been taking for decades.
i say, if they would stop mtr and go back to mining coal from underground, the epa would back off alot and men would get back to work. these lay offs were not just random, they had meetings at cam offices for several days, ironing out the kinks, deciding who stayed and who went, and moving men around, some men from letcher co were sent to 28 just as some men from 28 were going home....summer coming up, they say maybe a hot summer will have ppl using their electric more and the coal will be in demand again, hmmm, just as aep gets a 30 percent rate hike....., and what about this 940 million dollars aep needs to come up with to buy this coal scrubber? if coal is in such little demand, how can they justify this expense....my other question is, if big bad obama and his epa are to blame for this necessity, why not just wait til he leaves office, since everyone is saying hes on the way out???? could it be, that they know that nothing will change if the repubs take office? could it be that they know the new admin, will keep the same recommendations? time will tell i guess.
and yes, i know there will be ppl badmouth me and say im against coal, wrong, i know all about cam's layoffs from the front lines.
boy

Chesterfield, MO

#15 Apr 10, 2012
right in it wrote:
i know this is a bad stance to take, but, i feel that mtr is hurting underground mining more than anything else right now.
when you hear of layoffs in mtr, you think, ok they must not be doing too good, wrong, everyone should have seen this coming,
when mtr came in and started taking the coal so quickly, everyone should have known eventually they would take when they needed and move on, leaving these men without jobs.
and this in turn hurt undeground mining, not only cause it takes so much longer to mine coal in this way, but, because the epa and the govt is putting all these restrictions, and holding up permits etc....it is trickling down....
they should have left things the way it was, mine coal from under ground, sure one might argue its more dangerous, but, that is a risk these men have been taking for decades.
i say, if they would stop mtr and go back to mining coal from underground, the epa would back off alot and men would get back to work. these lay offs were not just random, they had meetings at cam offices for several days, ironing out the kinks, deciding who stayed and who went, and moving men around, some men from letcher co were sent to 28 just as some men from 28 were going home....summer coming up, they say maybe a hot summer will have ppl using their electric more and the coal will be in demand again, hmmm, just as aep gets a 30 percent rate hike....., and what about this 940 million dollars aep needs to come up with to buy this coal scrubber? if coal is in such little demand, how can they justify this expense....my other question is, if big bad obama and his epa are to blame for this necessity, why not just wait til he leaves office, since everyone is saying hes on the way out???? could it be, that they know that nothing will change if the repubs take office? could it be that they know the new admin, will keep the same recommendations? time will tell i guess.
and yes, i know there will be ppl badmouth me and say im against coal, wrong, i know all about cam's layoffs from the front lines.
I dissagree mtr mite help flood the market with coal but most the coal they get is not mineable but gas is takeing the place of coal with no money put back in comuity aep is running on 45 persent gas now and groweing
libra

Elkhorn City, KY

#16 Apr 10, 2012
boy wrote:
<quoted text>I dissagree mtr mite help flood the market with coal but most the coal they get is not mineable but gas is takeing the place of coal with no money put back in comuity aep is running on 45 persent gas now and groweing
i am a coalminers coalminers coalminer, and i too am against mountain top mining, i dont call them guys coalminers, i call them dirt movers, but, i will move on
we are all gonna get screwed all of us in one big lump pile, underground, mountain movers
everyone is blaming this lisa jackson woman, well one monkey dont run no show, and obama might be the chief monkey in charge, but its all cronieism
come on people, stop pointing at one or two people and look at the big picture
men fought and died for the union to come in and help them have a better life and a better work environment and now the unions are fuckin us hard
they backed obama, knowing full well his stance on coal and his plans to make coal a thing of the past and yet, they donated to his campaign and even publically backed him
and even today, they send out pamplets and their umwa newsletters asking union men and women to keep supporting obama
they did this, in my lowly opinion, to help put the little mines out of buisness, knowing they couldnt afford to keep up with all the equipment and pay fines and violations and etc, in order to make these little mines sell out to the big mines, this i have seen, when damco sold out to cam, which is owned by rhino energy, so on and so on
they are getting money from these corporations to keep the umwa running, the same way they donate to obama, its all hidden money and its all very very dirty, alot dirtier than coal for sure
haha

Logan, WV

#17 Apr 10, 2012
right in it wrote:
i know this is a bad stance to take, but, i feel that mtr is hurting underground mining more than anything else right now.
when you hear of layoffs in mtr, you think, ok they must not be doing too good, wrong, everyone should have seen this coming,
when mtr came in and started taking the coal so quickly, everyone should have known eventually they would take when they needed and move on, leaving these men without jobs.
and this in turn hurt undeground mining, not only cause it takes so much longer to mine coal in this way, but, because the epa and the govt is putting all these restrictions, and holding up permits etc....it is trickling down....
they should have left things the way it was, mine coal from under ground, sure one might argue its more dangerous, but, that is a risk these men have been taking for decades.
i say, if they would stop mtr and go back to mining coal from underground, the epa would back off alot and men would get back to work. these lay offs were not just random, they had meetings at cam offices for several days, ironing out the kinks, deciding who stayed and who went, and moving men around, some men from letcher co were sent to 28 just as some men from 28 were going home....summer coming up, they say maybe a hot summer will have ppl using their electric more and the coal will be in demand again, hmmm, just as aep gets a 30 percent rate hike....., and what about this 940 million dollars aep needs to come up with to buy this coal scrubber? if coal is in such little demand, how can they justify this expense....my other question is, if big bad obama and his epa are to blame for this necessity, why not just wait til he leaves office, since everyone is saying hes on the way out???? could it be, that they know that nothing will change if the repubs take office? could it be that they know the new admin, will keep the same recommendations? time will tell i guess.
and yes, i know there will be ppl badmouth me and say im against coal, wrong, i know all about cam's layoffs from the front lines.
James Slone will slowly destroy Cam just like he did Teco, with the help of Frank Smith and Jody Baldwin!!!!
kygirl

United States

#18 Apr 10, 2012
libra wrote:
<quoted text>i am a coalminers coalminers coalminer, and i too am against mountain top mining, i dont call them guys coalminers, i call them dirt movers, but, i will move on
we are all gonna get screwed all of us in one big lump pile, underground, mountain movers
everyone is blaming this lisa jackson woman, well one monkey dont run no show, and obama might be the chief monkey in charge, but its all cronieism
come on people, stop pointing at one or two people and look at the big picture
men fought and died for the union to come in and help them have a better life and a better work environment and now the unions are fuckin us hard
they backed obama, knowing full well his stance on coal and his plans to make coal a thing of the past and yet, they donated to his campaign and even publically backed him
and even today, they send out pamplets and their umwa newsletters asking union men and women to keep supporting obama
they did this, in my lowly opinion, to help put the little mines out of buisness, knowing they couldnt afford to keep up with all the equipment and pay fines and violations and etc, in order to make these little mines sell out to the big mines, this i have seen, when damco sold out to cam, which is owned by rhino energy, so on and so on
they are getting money from these corporations to keep the umwa running, the same way they donate to obama, its all hidden money and its all very very dirty, alot dirtier than coal for sure
Finally, the truth has been stated. The towns in Ky, WV, and Va. will be ghost towns in the not so distant future.
WannaWatch

Chesterfield, MO

#19 Apr 11, 2012
I agree with the mtr stance. It takes a fraction of the men to work a mtr job. If you ask me that in itself is taking mining jobs and ripping the hdck out of our land. Sad.
ambassador

Elkhorn City, KY

#20 Apr 11, 2012
that is one reason the coal operators want to mountain top mine, they get the coal out twice as fast and with half the work force, hell ask half the men who work mtr what their job is and they will say driving a water truck or being a gopher
they only need a few to run the equipment that moves the coal
good man

Prestonsburg, KY

#21 Apr 11, 2012
also with mtr.they can move four or five mountains a week.soon the coal will be mined up an the coal.com panys will be gone.then what a ghost town.this whole region will become it was better to mine the ole way.more men an women.had jobs that would last this way we will be lucky to even have any tourisum. or anything to bring jobs an a way to make a living.in this part of the country.
MARROWBONEDOG

Shelbiana, KY

#22 Aug 12, 2012
word that 28 will more than have to bring back more people if the new contract go right !!! pray that we can get it. that way work will pick up at 28 anyway!! maybe a few more will get back to work!! at that point we might have a little more hope for the future!!/// GOD HELP ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WORK AND CANT, PRAY that THING GET BETTER FOR THEM \\\ love it her in pike co.hope to be able to live here for a lot more year.... china,japan,and the america will need coal..........no more fooling around people we need to work!!!!!!!!!!
dirt dobber

Cynthiana, KY

#23 Aug 12, 2012
all you people that think that M T R is only hurting the coal well just how would you get them faced up with out us and would you want to work under a 200 h foot high wall in a dozer or loader and you say we are not coal minners well where were you when we went to DC to stand up for coal or to the other places i lost 2 day of work to stand up for my job and yours // i know that a deep mine can not mine the seams we can cause they are only around 20 inchs or less so go cry about something else / by the way if a deep mine can not mine it we CAN STRIP IT if it has to do with coal we better stand up with each other cause no one else is
mtr

Leechburg, PA

#24 Aug 12, 2012
Wasn't for MTR what city's and town's would you have. They are all pretty well built on flat land from them. About all the gas lines i seen go in is on stripped land or they just push the dirt over the hill (no regulations on that). Looks like the EPA lost one on the permit deal. Deep miners thank they are the only ones that need to mine coal, i guess you thank that you're the only ones that need to work. MTR is done right it leaves some land that can be used, not a goats path up the side of a hill that is no good for nothing.

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