Lets get back to the real world!

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Progun

Oroville, CA

#1 Feb 4, 2013
Leave it to this disgusting P.O.S. pathetic excuse for a president. He takes the CT shooting tragedy to completely say hey "F U" to the rest of the country. Typical liberal agenda, though. All of you liberal mouth breathing zombies are so easily distracted its actually comical! So in the wake of the school shooting tragedy you idiots are so obsessed with useless additional gun regulations (that will not work, mind you) that you seem to forget that there are still people starving and not working! So here's an idea Mr (alleged) President, do your FKN job!!!!! You need to focus on all of us, not gun manufacturers. We have already had four miserable years of failure, we don't really want it again.

To the people that have a hard time understanding the above facts, in plain and simple English, this is what it meant, the economy is broken, President Obey-me has made it worse with his failures and he is distracting you due to the fact that he can't fix his fuc-k ups! News flash, its four years later so pulling the "blame Bush" card doesn't work anymore.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#2 Feb 4, 2013
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Did you get fired from your pizza delivery job again, or what...???
Progun

Oroville, CA

#3 Feb 4, 2013
Truth hurts, huh?
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#4 Feb 5, 2013
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I don't know.... we hear plenty of whining and moaning but have not heard any truths from folks of your ilk yet...
Progun

Oroville, CA

#5 Feb 5, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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I don't know.... we hear plenty of whining and moaning but have not heard any truths from folks of your ilk yet...
I see you have absolutely nothing intelligent to contribute to this post, as usual. Isn't this about the time that you Prius driving eco freaks pull your race card?

Since: Nov 11

Colusa

#6 Feb 5, 2013
Progun

I am a gun owner and second ammendment supporter myself. I do not support a ban on assault weapons and large clips simply on principle and because I do not think such laws will be effective in reducing gun violence.

There is room for compromise here though and it would behoove conservatives and NRA members to compromise on the things most of us agree on.

For example: "Nearly three quarters (74 percent) of NRA members supported requiring a background check system for all gun sales, according to a poll released Monday by Johns Hopkins University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health. The survey found 89 percent of all Americans support the proposal. it corroborates a New York Times/CBS News poll this month that found an 85 percent majority of people in households with an NRA member supporting universal background checks."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/w...

Don't you think we can all agree to the background checks part of the presidents proposal? It would make our arguements on the rest of it more effective if we are reasonable about the parts we agree on.

Also, as much as I disagree with the president on certain things, I am sure, like all presidents, he is capable of working on many different policies at once. Just because he is proposing gun legislation does not mean he is not working on job creation. That was a stupid arguement when liberals made it against Bush and it is a stupid argument now. Presidents can walk and chew gum at the same time so to speak.

I wish Republicans and conservatives would start acting more like adults. Focus on policies we disagree with, make our case politely, and keep our personal opinions about the president to ourselves because the kind of outright disgust for him so often displayed by conservatives hurts our credibility and feeds into the democrats hands when they say we would oppose mothers and apple pie if Obama pie if Obama supported them.

Your dislike for the president is obvious but it does nothing to advance your argument. In fact it makes your argument weaker.
Here is One

Oroville, CA

#7 Feb 5, 2013
Progun wrote:
Truth hurts, huh?
Yeah, that pizza delivery job was important to you. Maybe if you are really good you could get a job cleaning septic tanks.
Don't mind the fact that you will be sucking up all of your Radical freaky friends.

Hey look, Here is One MexiTroll has gone missing. You can recognize him as the Biggest TURD in the tank.

Good Hunting.
Makes sense

Oroville, CA

#8 Feb 5, 2013
ThirtyThirty wrote:
Progun
I am a gun owner and second ammendment supporter myself. I do not support a ban on assault weapons and large clips simply on principle and because I do not think such laws will be effective in reducing gun violence.
There is room for compromise here though and it would behoove conservatives and NRA members to compromise on the things most of us agree on.
For example: "Nearly three quarters (74 percent) of NRA members supported requiring a background check system for all gun sales, according to a poll released Monday by Johns Hopkins University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health. The survey found 89 percent of all Americans support the proposal. it corroborates a New York Times/CBS News poll this month that found an 85 percent majority of people in households with an NRA member supporting universal background checks."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/w...
Don't you think we can all agree to the background checks part of the presidents proposal? It would make our arguements on the rest of it more effective if we are reasonable about the parts we agree on.
Also, as much as I disagree with the president on certain things, I am sure, like all presidents, he is capable of working on many different policies at once. Just because he is proposing gun legislation does not mean he is not working on job creation. That was a stupid arguement when liberals made it against Bush and it is a stupid argument now. Presidents can walk and chew gum at the same time so to speak.
I wish Republicans and conservatives would start acting more like adults. Focus on policies we disagree with, make our case politely, and keep our personal opinions about the president to ourselves because the kind of outright disgust for him so often displayed by conservatives hurts our credibility and feeds into the democrats hands when they say we would oppose mothers and apple pie if Obama pie if Obama supported them.
Your dislike for the president is obvious but it does nothing to advance your argument. In fact it makes your argument weaker.
YES!
You would be eaten alive in Washington though.
I wish it were'nt that way.
I too am a gun owner, but I would never involve myself in what is NOW the Farce that is the NRA.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#9 Feb 5, 2013
Progun wrote:
<quoted text>I see you have absolutely nothing intelligent to contribute to this post, as usual. Isn't this about the time that you Prius driving eco freaks pull your race card?
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Why should I bother pulling any cards...?

You already made a pretty good case of what you are all about...
Progun

Oroville, CA

#12 Feb 6, 2013
ThirtyThirty wrote:
Progun
I am a gun owner and second ammendment supporter myself. I do not support a ban on assault weapons and large clips simply on principle and because I do not think such laws will be effective in reducing gun violence.
There is room for compromise here though and it would behoove conservatives and NRA members to compromise on the things most of us agree on.
For example: "Nearly three quarters (74 percent) of NRA members supported requiring a background check system for all gun sales, according to a poll released Monday by Johns Hopkins University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health. The survey found 89 percent of all Americans support the proposal. it corroborates a New York Times/CBS News poll this month that found an 85 percent majority of people in households with an NRA member supporting universal background checks."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/w...
Don't you think we can all agree to the background checks part of the presidents proposal? It would make our arguements on the rest of it more effective if we are reasonable about the parts we agree on.
Also, as much as I disagree with the president on certain things, I am sure, like all presidents, he is capable of working on many different policies at once. Just because he is proposing gun legislation does not mean he is not working on job creation. That was a stupid arguement when liberals made it against Bush and it is a stupid argument now. Presidents can walk and chew gum at the same time so to speak.
I wish Republicans and conservatives would start acting more like adults. Focus on policies we disagree with, make our case politely, and keep our personal opinions about the president to ourselves because the kind of outright disgust for him so often displayed by conservatives hurts our credibility and feeds into the democrats hands when they say we would oppose mothers and apple pie if Obama pie if Obama supported them.
Your dislike for the president is obvious but it does nothing to advance your argument. In fact it makes your argument weaker.
I think you missed the point of my post.

Since: Nov 11

Colusa

#13 Feb 7, 2013
Progun wrote:
<quoted text> I think you missed the point of my post.
Perhaps, maybe you can explain what I missed.

I think you may have missed the point of my post as well though.

Since: Nov 11

Colusa

#14 Feb 7, 2013
Progun wrote:
<quoted text> I think you missed the point of my post.
I just re-read it and I think I addressed the points you made. If I missed something let me know.
Turn that gun on yourself

Cloverdale, CA

#15 Feb 7, 2013
Progun wrote:
<quoted text>I see you have absolutely nothing intelligent to contribute to this post, as usual. Isn't this about the time that you Prius driving eco freaks pull your race card?
Your HEAD is firmly planted up your ARSE!
Thamks for letting ALL AMERICANS know.
annoyed

Chico, CA

#16 Feb 7, 2013
ThirtyThirty wrote:
Progun
I am a gun owner and second ammendment supporter myself. I do not support a ban on assault weapons and large clips simply on principle and because I do not think such laws will be effective in reducing gun violence.
There is room for compromise here though and it would behoove conservatives and NRA members to compromise on the things most of us agree on.
For example: "Nearly three quarters (74 percent) of NRA members supported requiring a background check system for all gun sales, according to a poll released Monday by Johns Hopkins University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health. The survey found 89 percent of all Americans support the proposal. it corroborates a New York Times/CBS News poll this month that found an 85 percent majority of people in households with an NRA member supporting universal background checks."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/w...
Don't you think we can all agree to the background checks part of the presidents proposal? It would make our arguements on the rest of it more effective if we are reasonable about the parts we agree on.
Also, as much as I disagree with the president on certain things, I am sure, like all presidents, he is capable of working on many different policies at once. Just because he is proposing gun legislation does not mean he is not working on job creation. That was a stupid arguement when liberals made it against Bush and it is a stupid argument now. Presidents can walk and chew gum at the same time so to speak.
I wish Republicans and conservatives would start acting more like adults. Focus on policies we disagree with, make our case politely, and keep our personal opinions about the president to ourselves because the kind of outright disgust for him so often displayed by conservatives hurts our credibility and feeds into the democrats hands when they say we would oppose mothers and apple pie if Obama pie if Obama supported them.
Your dislike for the president is obvious but it does nothing to advance your argument. In fact it makes your argument weaker.
"according to a poll released Monday by Johns Hopkins University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health"

You can make polls respond the way you wish by the questions and phrasing. And anything attached to king bloomberg STINKS of dishonesty; he's shown over and ovr his disdain for the 2nd Ammendment. But this is really just another "states rights" situation where the feds want to bury any states who claim the state's rights provision in the Constitution, while the feds claim all power for the federal gov.

The "problem" is not so simple as you'd have everyone believe; the citizens and legislators of the effected states disagree...and I won't suggest stepping on their Constitutional Rights (as you so simply and blithely suggest).

The fight over states vs. federal rights has been "ON" for as long as the Republic and likely won't ever end. The independent citizens of the affected states who wish to sell a personal firearm to friends or family prefer to make their own determinations of trustworthyness and feel any intrusion by the federal gov. into their personal business is unwarranted and NOT supported by the Constitution. I agree 100%.
One is an idiot

Sacramento, CA

#17 Feb 7, 2013
Progun wrote:
<quoted text>I see you have absolutely nothing intelligent to contribute to this post, as usual. Isn't this about the time that you Prius driving eco freaks pull your race card?
Why should anyone post anything intellegent on this thread, you haven't.
One is an idiot

Sacramento, CA

#18 Feb 7, 2013
annoyed wrote:
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"according to a poll released Monday by Johns Hopkins University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health"
You can make polls respond the way you wish by the questions and phrasing. And anything attached to king bloomberg STINKS of dishonesty; he's shown over and ovr his disdain for the 2nd Ammendment. But this is really just another "states rights" situation where the feds want to bury any states who claim the state's rights provision in the Constitution, while the feds claim all power for the federal gov.
The "problem" is not so simple as you'd have everyone believe; the citizens and legislators of the effected states disagree...and I won't suggest stepping on their Constitutional Rights (as you so simply and blithely suggest).
The fight over states vs. federal rights has been "ON" for as long as the Republic and likely won't ever end. The independent citizens of the affected states who wish to sell a personal firearm to friends or family prefer to make their own determinations of trustworthyness and feel any intrusion by the federal gov. into their personal business is unwarranted and NOT supported by the Constitution. I agree 100%.
Ahhhhh, Isn't Bloomberg hard right?

Since: Nov 11

Colusa

#19 Feb 7, 2013
annoyed wrote:
<quoted text>
"according to a poll released Monday by Johns Hopkins University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health"
You can make polls respond the way you wish by the questions and phrasing. And anything attached to king bloomberg STINKS of dishonesty; he's shown over and ovr his disdain for the 2nd Ammendment. But this is really just another "states rights" situation where the feds want to bury any states who claim the state's rights provision in the Constitution, while the feds claim all power for the federal gov.
The "problem" is not so simple as you'd have everyone believe; the citizens and legislators of the effected states disagree...and I won't suggest stepping on their Constitutional Rights (as you so simply and blithely suggest).
The fight over states vs. federal rights has been "ON" for as long as the Republic and likely won't ever end. The independent citizens of the affected states who wish to sell a personal firearm to friends or family prefer to make their own determinations of trustworthyness and feel any intrusion by the federal gov. into their personal business is unwarranted and NOT supported by the Constitution. I agree 100%.
My understanding is that there have been several polls about this issue and all pretty much agree that a large majority of people support universal background checks. I do not think that there is anything unconstitutional about requiring a background check to purchase a gun, even if you are buying if from your brother in law. But that is for the supreme court to decide not you or me. Lets pass the law that the vast majority of us agree with, and I guarantee you someone will challenge it and the Supreme court will eventually decide the issue. That is how our system works. Lets let it work.

My bet would be that such a law would not be deemed unconstitutional. The Supreme court has already ruled that it is NOT unconstitutional to ban felons from owning guns, it would seem to follow that it would not be unconstitutional then to ensure that felons aren't buying guns, even from their brother in laws. I could be wrong but that is why we have a Supreme Court and that is how the system works.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#20 Feb 7, 2013
The Supreme's have made it clear through the years that the 2nd amendment does NOT mean that EVERYONE can own ANY kind of weapon.

Remember, the 2nd amendment DOES state a "well REGULATED militia". And this was back when the only weapons were muskets.

And I thought that conservatives were all for 'law and order'. Our nation's police departments want and need to have all weapon transfers to be background checked.

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