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GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#122 May 14, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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“People's ignorance really pisses me off. Stupidity is when you can't help it -ignorance is when you choose not to understand something.”
Sarah McLachlan
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Perhaps you ought to meditate on and internalize this, SAM....
Tea Party Solution

United States

#123 May 14, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Think a little bit TP. I said that as government increases it has to become more socialist or tyrannical. How can you expect to keep control if you don’t become more tyrannical? The more laws you have the more control must be exerted to maintain those laws and regs. Tyranny does not happen over night. We are less free now than we were 10 years ago.
So, you ARE equating tyranny with socialism.
And then you're trying to say that the US has become more 'socialistic', hence tyrannical.

The tea partiers/ repubs would LIKE to get a more tyrannical government-- but more of a fascist kind, NOT socialistic. Did you see my link to the 14 indicators of fascism? I already showed a few of these characteristics.

They included cozying up to the corporate powers-- Wall Streeters, Big Oil, Big Health Insurers, and so on. The repubs want to de-regulate these companies even more.

They include scapegoating others for all of our woes-- such as Muslims Mexicans, and liberals.

They include attacking workers and labor unions. The repubs are doing those things right now, as we speak.

Here's a few more of the 14 characteristics of fascism:

"Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected."

The tea partiers want to cut all social programs-- and give more money to the military to buy tanks they don't even want or need.

"Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution."

Yep, the repubs are against women's rights, gays and abortion, and pretned that they're all about 'family values'-- even though they often are hpocrites in their own personal lives.

" Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses."

Fear and loony conspiracy theories run rampant in the right-wing media.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<Hitler’s Germany was socialist by design and by deed. I presented the historical data to you. If you prefer an encyclopedia’s definition rather than Hitler’s words
The Brittanica's overview was excellent. And your Hitler's 'table talk' was full of contradictions, emblematic of the liar he certainly was.

Didn't he promise not to invade England?

Hitler's ACTIONS were clearly fascist, combined with capitalism-- but for the wealthy and powerful only. Kind of like where the tea partiers would like to take us these days.
Tea Party Solution

United States

#124 May 14, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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I just find it amusing that instead of reading some actual historical information you go to an encyclopedia. No one who is interested in any topic any degree beyond a surface view would use an encyclopedia.
Disprove the CONTENT, if you can. An encycolpedia is about as objective as one can get. But if the info isn't from one of your right-wing sources, you try to dismiss it. You're attacking the source instead of the content-- this is a logical fallacy-- an ad hominem attack.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<Fascism is socialist. Study. No one can help you if you choose to remain ignorant.
“People's ignorance really pisses me off. Stupidity is when you can't help it -ignorance is when you choose not to understand something.”
Sarah McLachlan
Fascism is the tyranny of one man.

In Webster’s New World College Dictionary, socialism is defined as “any of various theories or systems of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society or the community rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or community sharing in the work and products.”

Socialism and Fascism are at opposite poles of the political continuum.

GRANDPA said it best in response to your quote from McClachan.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#125 May 14, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Disprove the CONTENT, if you can. An encycolpedia is about as objective as one can get. But if the info isn't from one of your right-wing sources, you try to dismiss it. You're attacking the source instead of the content-- this is a logical fallacy-- an ad hominem attack.
No, I attacked the content as well as the source. I quoted what Hitler said about his movement. I suppose that isn't good enough for you?
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Socialism and Fascism are at opposite poles of the political continuum.
GRANDPA said it best in response to your quote from McClachan.
Fascism is on the Left. Just ask Hitler. Why did Hitler attack capitalism? Why did Hitler state that they would take their system farther than the Bolsheviks?

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#126 May 14, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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In Webster’s New World College Dictionary, socialism is defined as “any of various theories or systems of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society or the community rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or community sharing in the work and products.”
If you really want to educate yourself you need to delve into your studies a little deeper than and encyclopedia or dictionary. Those sources barely get you in the door.
The Infantile left Winged

Weed, CA

#127 May 14, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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In Webster’s New World College Dictionary, socialism is defined as “any of various theories or systems of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society or the community rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or community sharing in the work and products.
Oh just like the failed "comunes" here in the USA in the 1960's and just like the failed USSR, and just like the failed North Korea???
Is that what you are refering too?
You liberals? You just don't get it! This never works, because there are ALWAYS deadbeat liberals in these socialist communities that don't want to pull their weight, and those who do? They don't want to throw their hard earned keep into the pot for distribution to those who just don't want to work and pay their 'FAIR SHARE'!
Human nature morons!!!
Tea Party Solution

Paradise, CA

#128 May 14, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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No, I attacked the content as well as the source. I quoted what Hitler said about his movement. I suppose that isn't good enough for you?
Of course not, and I told you why several times.
Hitler said what was politically expedient, contradicting himself-- and he lied.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<Fascism is on the Left. Just ask Hitler. Why did Hitler attack capitalism? Why did Hitler state that they would take their system farther than the Bolsheviks?
Hitler's ACTIONS proved he was a fascist dictator. Why did he hate the Russians so much?
It's hilarious that you base your viewpoint of German Fascism on what Hitler said, especially when you ignore the anti-marxist and anti-socialist comments he made in those papers you linked.
The Infantile left Winged

Weed, CA

#129 May 15, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Why did he hate the Russians so much?
Ummm... Maybe because in the fascist dictator hitlers, sick mind,
THERE COULD ONLY BE ONE WORLD RULER!!!
Amazing how the very simple, totally evades you fascism loving liberals.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#130 May 15, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Hitler's ACTIONS proved he was a fascist dictator. Why did he hate the Russians so much?
It's hilarious that you base your viewpoint of German Fascism on what Hitler said, especially when you ignore the anti-marxist and anti-socialist comments he made in those papers you linked.
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SAM, like most conservatives, only cherry picks whatever bolsters his argument and conveniently ignores that which does not.

At one time he claimed that computerized climatological modelings are not accurate enough to reliably predict the effects of CO2 on AGW, and just yesterday he posted a link on the GLOBAL COOLING thread to some AGW denier site ( ANTHONY WATTS) which used modeling to show that too much CO2 is not such a bad thing....
Gawd U R Stupid SAMBO

United States

#131 May 15, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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I did read. I just find it amusing that instead of reading some actual historical information you go to an encyclopedia. No one who is interested in any topic any degree beyond a surface view would use an encyclopedia.
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I listed other sources for you to peruse. I have read Hitler’s words, you should have delved a little deeper into the text.
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Fascism is socialist. Study. No one can help you if you choose to remain ignorant.
“People's ignorance really pisses me off. Stupidity is when you can't help it -ignorance is when you choose not to understand something.”
Sarah McLachlan
Take the MIRRORS DOWN in you HOVEL or use One of your guns on yourself! All Americans will CELEBRATE the elimination of YOUR IGNORANCE!!!!!

Stupid, your brand of RADICAL CONSERVATISM, is defined as One who will NOT nor CAN NOT LEARN. One who continuously makes the same mistake again and again and again and again.... One who FAILS TO PROGRESS!!!

In your case SAMBO, and your KIND, it is simply a LOW IQ FACTOR. God gave you NO CHOICE BUT TO BE IGNORANT!

Although your FINE WHINNING is ENTERTAINING!!!!!!!!
Tea Party Solution

United States

#132 May 15, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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SAM, like most conservatives, only cherry picks whatever bolsters his argument and conveniently ignores that which does not.
At one time he claimed that computerized climatological modelings are not accurate enough to reliably predict the effects of CO2 on AGW, and just yesterday he posted a link on the GLOBAL COOLING thread to some AGW denier site ( ANTHONY WATTS) which used modeling to show that too much CO2 is not such a bad thing....
Yes, it's sad. His mind is already made up.

I had asked him to name one far right dictatorship, and he couldn't do it. In his world there apparently is no such thing. And about AGW he's repeatedly said that there's NO evidence. Not even that there's little evidence, but no evidence at all.

It's a strange black and white world conservatives live in.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#133 May 15, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Yes, it's sad. His mind is already made up.
I had asked him to name one far right dictatorship, and he couldn't do it. In his world there apparently is no such thing. And about AGW he's repeatedly said that there's NO evidence. Not even that there's little evidence, but no evidence at all.
It's a strange black and white world conservatives live in.
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It's like psychologists say, conservatives are totally unable to deal with ambiguity...

In thew GLOBAL COOLING we somehow got on the topic of hot water freezing faster than cold water, SOCIOPATH aka INFANTILE absolutely refuses to admit that under some circumstances warm water will freeze faster than cold water ...

So he posted a link from "the debunker" where the first paragraph says such a thing is not possible and then the second paragraph goes on to say that yes, under certain circumstances hot water will freeze faster than cold water

But SOCIOPATH either never read the second paragraph or it simply did not register in his conservative little pea brain....
The Infantile left Winged

Paradise, CA

#134 May 15, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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So he posted a link from "the debunker" where the first paragraph says such a thing is not possible and then the second paragraph goes on to say that yes, under certain circumstances hot water will freeze faster than cold water
But SOCIOPATH either never read the second paragraph or it simply did not register in his conservative little pea brain....
Under certain circumstances???
Of course moron if the hot water is put into a freezer at -30 degrees and the cold water is in 32 degrees, the hot water will freeze faster!
You are such a small minded simpleton!!!
I was talking about same conditions!

You are Sooooo phuqing stupid too... are you able to even tie your own shoes nicoliar?
I certainly question that after reading the incredibly ignorant drivel you post, over and over, while believing you are clever?
ROTFLMAO at you... Seriously!
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#135 May 15, 2013
The Infantile left Winged wrote:
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Under certain circumstances???
Of course moron if the hot water is put into a freezer at -30 degrees and the cold water is in 32 degrees, the hot water will freeze faster!
You are such a small minded simpleton!!!
I was talking about same conditions!
You are Sooooo phuqing stupid too... are you able to even tie your own shoes nicoliar?
I certainly question that after reading the incredibly ignorant drivel you post, over and over, while believing you are clever?
ROTFLMAO at you... Seriously!
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You put both containers in the same freezer and the one with the hot water will usually freeze faster...

I don't even know why I am wasting my time arguing with a laughable feeble minded buffoon like you....

But thanks for making all conservatives look like total idiots...

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#136 May 17, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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So, you ARE equating tyranny with socialism.
And then you're trying to say that the US has become more 'socialistic', hence tyrannical.
Yes. What do you call it when a government entity(IRS)try to control citizens rights by granting or denying their requested tax status based solely on the political leanings of those in power? In other words the IRS would only allow tax exempt status to certain groups if they met certain conditions that were not required in the IRS mandate while allowing other politically favored groups the same tax status with much less scrutiny.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#137 May 17, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Yes. What do you call it when a government entity(IRS)try to control citizens rights by granting or denying their requested tax status based solely on the political leanings of those in power? In other words the IRS would only allow tax exempt status to certain groups if they met certain conditions that were not required in the IRS mandate while allowing other politically favored groups the same tax status with much less scrutiny.
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What do you call it when members of the opposition party, the so called "loyal opposition" make it their mission to make sure the President of the United States fails in his mandate to restore a totally wrecked economy...?

Also, what do you call it when one of the persons in charge of the agency you mentioned above just happens to be a holdover from the same opposition party which wants the President of the United States to fail at all costs...???

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#138 May 17, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Hitler's ACTIONS proved he was a fascist dictator. Why did he hate the Russians so much?
It's hilarious that you base your viewpoint of German Fascism on what Hitler said, especially when you ignore the anti-marxist and anti-socialist comments he made in those papers you linked.
So you dismiss everything Hitler said? Why did other Lefties follow him then?
Yes, Hitler was a Fascist dictator and Fascism is Socialism with a capitalist veneer. Why can you not understand this? I have shown you the writing of economists who lived in Germany at the time and who have since studied the NAZI economic system. The NAZI party platform, which I linked to, was definitely socialist.
Hitler was against the Marxists but welcomed Marxist party members. Why would that be? Marxists were his closest competitors and he knew the members of the Marxist movement shared an ideology that was quite similar. You didn’t see Hitler inviting Laissez Faire ideologues into his party. He wasn’t concerned with conservatives, he didn’t want anything to do with them. Good grief, you are so thick some times.

Get over the false right wing Fascist rhetoric, it is based on reality. The progressives, once the war was over, distanced themselves anyway they could from Hitler because of the atrocities that he committed. That is the only reason.

I know that I won’t be able to convince you of the facts. So be it. Some wish to remain ignorant. Let me know how that works out for you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch...
observer

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#139 May 17, 2013
Mussolini came to power by claiming that that was the only choice confronting Italy. Hitler came to power by claiming that that was the only choice confronting Germany. It is a matter of record that in the German election of 1933, the Communist Party was ordered by its leaders to vote for the Nazis—with the explanation that they could later fight the Nazis for power, but first they had to help destroy their common enemy: capitalism and its parliamentary form of government.

Sam is absolutely correct.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#140 May 18, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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So you dismiss everything Hitler said?
As I've said several times, Hitler said different things at different times-- he said what would help him politically. He was a liar.

He promised England that he wouldn't attack them. Uh, Sam, he DID attack them.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<Why did other Lefties follow him then?.
What lefties? Righties such as the Americans Ford and DuPont followed him.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<Yes, Hitler was a Fascist dictator and Fascism is Socialism with a capitalist veneer. Why can you not understand this?
Just keep repeating this lie, over and over again-- and maybe it will become true!
Sam Lowree wrote:
<I have shown you the writing of economists who lived in Germany at the time and who have since studied the NAZI economic system. The NAZI party platform, which I linked to, was definitely socialist.
I have shown, with links, that Hitler's actual economy was pro-corporate fat cats and anti labor. Why do you think Ford and DuPont loved him?
Sam Lowree wrote:
<Hitler was against the Marxists but welcomed Marxist party members. Why would that be? Marxists were his closest competitors and he knew the members of the Marxist movement shared an ideology that was quite similar.
He would only welcome marxists if they became fascists. The main similarity between Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany were that they were both dictatorships.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<He wasn’t concerned with conservatives, he didn’t want anything to do with them. Good grief, you are so thick some times.
Hitler was far to the right of run-of-the-mill conservatives. He was a fascist, and most conservatives don't lean THAT far right.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<Get over the false right wing Fascist rhetoric, it is based on reality. The progressives, once the war was over, distanced themselves anyway they could from Hitler because of the atrocities that he committed. That is the only reason.
We here in the US are and were a democracy. Fascism is not a democracy. Except for the likes of Ford, Dupont, and other corporate titans,we here in the US want democracy.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#141 May 18, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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As I've said several times, Hitler said different things at different times--
He did lie to other countries concerning his foreign policies and designs for war. Why would he lie to the German people about his socialism when we see from his speeches that he ran on an anti-capitalism socialist platform? Of that there is no denying.
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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What lefties? Righties such as the Americans Ford and DuPont followed him.
Do you really think that all corporations are capitalists? Some of the biggest corporations beg and pay for government intervention into the market, as long as it helps them that is. Why do you think that there are so many lobbyists in D.C.? They are not there to ensure a free market and level playing field. They want their D.C. prostitutes to give them the edge.
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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I have shown, with links, that Hitler's actual economy was pro-corporate fat cats and anti labor.
You have shown me some lefty opinion pieces. I have presented you with the NAZI agenda, their campaign speeches, words from the man himself plus the writing of economists who have studied the history and lived in Germany at the time. You have zero proof for your thesis.

From Nobel Laureate Friedrich Von Hayek an Austrian(same country Hitler is from), written in 1933:

“The persecution of the Marxists, and of democrats in general, tends to obscure the fundamental fact that National "Socialism" is a genuine socialist movement, whose leading ideas are the final fruit of the anti-liberal tendencies which have been steadily gaining ground in Germany since the later part of the Bismarckian era, and which led the majority of the German intelligentsia first to "socialism of the chair" and later to Marxism in its social-democratic or communist form.
One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too, as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment, have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because, and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany, many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience.

The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder, one of Hitler's early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists.
But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic-individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, "international finance and loan capital," the system of "interest slavery" in general; the abolition of these is described as the "basis of the programme, around which everything else turns." It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.
That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine, and not a mere piece of propaganda, becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that many of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists.“
http://www.brookesnews.com/091910hayeknazis.h...

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