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“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#1 May 4, 2013
With no global warming in more than a decade is it not time to forget the fear mongering that the AGW crowds are propagating? Many scientists are predicting global cooling, I suppose the AGW crowd will blame the coming mini-ice age on warming, by the year 2020. Remember 3 or 4 years ago the AGW crowd was predicting that the Arctic would be ice free the following summer, it didn’t happen.

“Antarctic is nearing 450 days of uninterrupted above-normal ice.”

Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/0222...

“German meteorologists say that the start of 2013 is now the coldest in 208 years - and now German media has quoted Russian scientist Dr Habibullo Abdussamatov from the St. Petersburg Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory as showing it is proof as he said earlier that we are heading for a "Mini Ice Age."

Talking to German media the scientist who first made his prediction in 2005 said that after studying sunspots and their relationship with climate change on Earth, we are now on an "unavoidable advance towards a deep temperature drop."
http://germanherald.com/news/Germany_in_Focus...

I heard Dr. Fred Singer, the scientist who set up our satellite weather system, speak a few years ago. He studied the data past and present and said that the data showed that temperature changes were cyclical every 1500 years and predicted a cooling by 2020, based on the past climatic patterns.

You know what people, the climate changes. It always has and always will. There is nothing that we can do to stop the climate from changing.
A Toad Roady

Lincoln, CA

#2 May 5, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
With no global warming in more than a decade is it not time to forget the fear mongering that the AGW crowds are propagating? Many scientists are predicting global cooling, I suppose the AGW crowd will blame the coming mini-ice age on warming, by the year 2020. Remember 3 or 4 years ago the AGW crowd was predicting that the Arctic would be ice free the following summer, it didn’t happen.
“Antarctic is nearing 450 days of uninterrupted above-normal ice.”
Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/0222...
“German meteorologists say that the start of 2013 is now the coldest in 208 years - and now German media has quoted Russian scientist Dr Habibullo Abdussamatov from the St. Petersburg Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory as showing it is proof as he said earlier that we are heading for a "Mini Ice Age."
Talking to German media the scientist who first made his prediction in 2005 said that after studying sunspots and their relationship with climate change on Earth, we are now on an "unavoidable advance towards a deep temperature drop."
http://germanherald.com/news/Germany_in_Focus...
I heard Dr. Fred Singer, the scientist who set up our satellite weather system, speak a few years ago. He studied the data past and present and said that the data showed that temperature changes were cyclical every 1500 years and predicted a cooling by 2020, based on the past climatic patterns.
You know what people, the climate changes. It always has and always will. There is nothing that we can do to stop the climate from changing.
So commentary and opinion are the basis for your facts? Come on dude, I read IBD almost daily and EVERYTHING on the opinion pages is just that, opinion, not fact. And as a matter of fact, if your read the news articles in the rest of the “A” section they almost always contradict the opinion pages.

Try again sam!

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#3 May 5, 2013
A Toad Roady wrote:
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So commentary and opinion are the basis for your facts? Come on dude, I read IBD almost daily and EVERYTHING on the opinion pages is just that, opinion, not fact. And as a matter of fact, if your read the news articles in the rest of the “A” section they almost always contradict the opinion pages.
Try again sam!
You obviously forgot to read the rest. That's okay, we all know how you AGW fanatics like to ignore the facts. The main fact is that there is no scientific evidence that points to man made CO2 warming the planet.
http://www.eike-klima-energie.eu/fileadmin/us...

“The divergence of the real world observations from the multi-decadal climate predictions, both in terms of forecasting the magnitude of global warming and of changes in regional climate, is finally initiating a much overdue scientific debate on the level of our knowledge of the climate system,” Pielke added.“While there is no doubt that humans are altering the climate system, it is in a diverse variety of ways besides that caused by adding greenhouse gases such as C02.”

Pielke said that climate scientists are beginning to recognize that the natural climate forces and feedbacks play a larger role than previously thought."

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/26/climate-sci...
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Paradise, CA

#4 May 6, 2013
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Sure.... the Earth is cooling... hat should explain why spring barely begun and half of California is already on fire....

Must be "the natural forces and feedbacks" in play, whatever that means....
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#5 May 6, 2013
Specifically, the “consensus” about anthropogenic climate change entails the following:

the climate is undergoing a pronounced warming trend beyond the range of natural variability;
the major cause of most of the observed warming is rising levels of the greenhouse gas CO2;
the rise in CO2 is the result of burning fossil fuels;

if CO2 continues to rise over the next century, the warming will continue; and
a climate change of the projected magnitude over this time frame represents potential danger to human welfare and the environment.

While theories and viewpoints in conflict with the above do exist, their proponents constitute a very small minority. If we require unanimity before being confident, well, we can’t be sure the earth isn’t hollow either.

http://grist.org/climate-energy/there-is-no-c...
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#6 May 6, 2013
From the above source:

This consensus is represented in the IPCC Third Assessment Report, Working Group 1 (TAR WG1), the most comprehensive compilation and summary of current climate research ever attempted.

The conclusions reached in this document have been explicitly endorsed by …

Academia Brasiliera de Ciências (Bazil)
Royal Society of Canada
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Academié des Sciences (France)
Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
Indian National Science Academy
Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
Science Council of Japan
Russian Academy of Sciences
Royal Society (United Kingdom)
National Academy of Sciences (United States of America)
Australian Academy of Sciences
Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
Caribbean Academy of Sciences
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Royal Irish Academy
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
… in either one or both of these documents: PDF, PDF.

In addition to these national academies, the following institutions specializing in climate, atmosphere, ocean, and/or earth sciences have endorsed or published the same conclusions as presented in the TAR report:

NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
National Academy of Sciences (NAS)
State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC)
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
Royal Society of the United Kingdom (RS)
American Geophysical Union (AGU)
American Institute of Physics (AIP)
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
American Meteorological Society (AMS)
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)

If this is not scientific consensus, what in the world would a consensus look like?
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#7 May 6, 2013
But I know...

To Sam and other righties only the corporate-backed propaganda is true.

And all of the scientific organizations named above are simply full of fraudulent 'scientists' bought-off by Al Gore.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#8 May 7, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Sure.... the Earth is cooling... hat should explain why spring barely begun and half of California is already on fire....
Must be "the natural forces and feedbacks" in play, whatever that means....
There is a difference between local weather and climate. Regional incidents do not mean that the global climate has changed.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#9 May 7, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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There is a difference between local weather and climate. Regional incidents do not mean that the global climate has changed.
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I have been trying to explain that to all you right wing nuts for years!!!!

An unseasonal freeze in Paradise does not mean the globe is cooling, but early wildfires in California and Texas do point to global warming....

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#10 May 7, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
But I know...
To Sam and other righties only the corporate-backed propaganda is true.
And all of the scientific organizations named above are simply full of fraudulent 'scientists' bought-off by Al Gore.
Consensus? There can be no consensus in science. Scientists questioned the Theory of Relativity, even after Einstein won the Nobel, up until there was empirical evidence. The Theory of Relativity is still being tested today. No scientific theories, no matter how much they are tested, are ever set in stone and stated that they cannot be questioned. The scientific scrutiny needs to be applied to AGW, and anyone who does not question their own theory is not acting scientifically.

http://www.c3headlines.com/peer-reviewed-stud...

There are many peer reviewed studies at the link above. I know that you will dismiss them because the site is not pro AGW. Rather than do that why don't you read the studies and see whether they are scientifically rigorous or not.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#11 May 7, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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An unseasonal freeze in Paradise does not mean the globe is cooling, but early wildfires in California and Texas do point to global warming....
How so?
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#12 May 7, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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How so?
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Consult your very own post #8...

State wide wildfires in States the size of California and Texas could hardly be considered "a local disturbance...
Tea Party Solution

Paradise, CA

#13 May 7, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Consensus? There can be no consensus in science.
Well, as I posted above:

While theories and viewpoints in conflict with the above do exist, their proponents constitute a very small minority. If we require unanimity before being confident, well, we can’t be sure the earth isn’t hollow either.

If this is not scientific consensus, what in the world would a consensus look like?

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#14 May 7, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Well, as I posted above:
While theories and viewpoints in conflict with the above do exist, their proponents constitute a very small minority. If we require unanimity before being confident, well, we can’t be sure the earth isn’t hollow either.
If this is not scientific consensus, what in the world would a consensus look like?
As I stated earlier there can be no consensus when it comes to science. Theories are always, and will hopefully always be, under scrutiny. When it comes right down to it all we really know is how the laws of nature work, we don't know why. Because gravity works the way it does in our universe does not mean that we know how it works in another universe.

When you speak about the minority of scientists who deny AGW what kind of a minority are you talking about? Have you ever read the list of scientists that make up the IPCC reports? Have a look at it sometime.

"A paper published in the journal of the Italian Astronomical Society finds that solar geomagnetic activity was highly correlated to global temperature changes over the period from 1856-2000. The authors “show that the index commonly used for quantifying long-term changes in solar activity, the sunspot number, accounts for only one part of solar activity and using this index leads to the underestimation of the role of solar activity in the global warming in the recent decades. A more suitable index is the geomagnetic activity which re&#64258;ects all solar activity, and it is highly correlated to global temperature variations in the whole period for which we have data.”
http://www.thegwpf.org/paper-solar-influence-...

"Lamentably, many climate change researchers have exaggerated the potential health risks due to global warming. While magnifying the probable risks to health and mortality as a result of warmer temperatures, many underrate or simply ignore the possible heath benefits of moderate warming. This one-sidedness raises considerable ethical problems: promoting unfounded and inflated health scares in itself contributes to human anxiety and ill health. That is why a growing number of risk analysts object to such scare tactics – they point out that the detrimental affects of false or exaggerated health alarms and the resultant fears are much costlier than generally presumed. Fears can create a new risk for health, wellbeing and the stability of communities (3).

Thus, instead of adding to the hyperbole of dubious doom-and-gloom prophecies, it would be prudent to look at the factual evidence of climate-related health issues. A large number of studies show that urban populations in the USA and Europe have successfully adapted to recurrent extreme weather events and heatwaves. People who used to be much more weather-sensitive only 30 or 40 years ago have become less susceptible to extreme climate conditions and heatwaves due to improved medical care, increased access to air conditioning, and biophysical and societal adaptations."

http://www.thegwpf.org/benny-peiser-2005-cold...

Believe me when I tell you that I would sooner live with a little warming than a little cooling. Where I grew up in the 1970s we had a cold spell in Canada. We went through a entire month where the daytime temperature did not go above -20F and night time temps were in the -30s and -40s. Heavy equipment had to be left running 24/7 otherwise it couldn't be started up again. Everything is difficult to do when it is minus -30F.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#15 May 7, 2013
"But the fact that global surface temperatures have not followed the expected global warming pattern is now widely accepted.

Research by Ed Hawkins of University of Reading shows surface temperatures since 2005 are already at the low end of the range projections derived from 20 climate models and if they remain flat, they will fall outside the models' range within a few years.

"The global temperature standstill shows that climate models are diverging from observations," says David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation.

"If we have not passed it already, we are on the threshold of global observations becoming incompatible with the consensus theory of climate change," he says."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features...



Listen very carefully to the last two minutes, it is very telling.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#16 May 10, 2013
Without CO2 we all die.

"Of all of the world's chemical compounds, none has a worse reputation than carbon dioxide. Thanks to the single-minded demonization of this natural and essential atmospheric gas by advocates of government control of energy production, the conventional wisdom about carbon dioxide is that it is a dangerous pollutant. That's simply not the case. Contrary to what some would have us believe, increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will benefit the increasing population on the planet by increasing agricultural productivity.

The cessation of observed global warming for the past decade or so has shown how exaggerated NASA's and most other computer predictions of human-caused warming have been—and how little correlation warming has with concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide. As many scientists have pointed out, variations in global temperature correlate much better with solar activity and with complicated cycles of the oceans and atmosphere. There isn't the slightest evidence that more carbon dioxide has caused more extreme weather."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788...
A Toad Roady

Lincoln, CA

#17 May 10, 2013
Sam, your logic/reasoning is over the edge. Yes, everyone agrees that co2 is necessary to everyday life here on earth just as h2o is. Just as to much co2 in the atmosphere is unhealthy, so is trying to breath while under water in a swimming pool.

Or as they say “too much of anything can be a bad thing.”
Man Made One

Antelope, CA

#18 May 10, 2013
C02 just went over 400ppm and continues to rise....

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#19 May 10, 2013
A Toad Roady wrote:
Sam, your logic/reasoning is over the edge. Yes, everyone agrees that co2 is necessary to everyday life here on earth just as h2o is. Just as to much co2 in the atmosphere is unhealthy, so is trying to breath while under water in a swimming pool.
Or as they say “too much of anything can be a bad thing.”
At what point is CO2 bad for the planet? The amounts are increasing yet the globe is not warming.
The Infantile left Winged

Oroville, CA

#20 May 10, 2013
Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling.

Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming. That is because natural climate cycles have already turned from warming to cooling, global temperatures have already been declining for more than 10 years, and global temperatures will continue to decline for another two decades or more.

That is one of the most interesting conclusions to come out of the seventh International Climate Change Conference sponsored by the Heartland Institute, held last week in Chicago.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012...
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