Reuniting the original 1820-1840 Carroll county families
Posted in the Villa Rica Forum
#1 Mar 16, 2013
Names of interest include:
Mcintosh, Vann, Jordan, Davis, Hilton, Smith, Rowe, Collins, Dobbins, Patterson, Bass, Henslee, Mcghee, Redwine, Blair, Huckeba, Senoya, Senoia, Noland, Canady, Nalley, Hawkins, Kennedy, Alexander, Sewell, Wade, Petty, Harris, Cobb, Scott, Downs, Sinyard, Bundrum, Whitlow, Fleming, Mccoy, Lowe, Colquitt , Johnson, Lee, Canus, Mahathee, Welch, Proctor, Hinesley, Phillips, Alen, Vandivere, Riley, Robertson, Rogers, Watie, Hicks, Crutchfield, Gill, Wallis, Bryan, Wadkins, Love, Gibson, Coryell, Aderhold, Lamar, Woodall, Parris, Paris, Chambers, Hodges, Wallace, Newman, Jackson, Lyle, Woods, Bonner, Jones, Durrett, Mcdaniel, Daniels, Brown, Freeman, Foreman, Godard, Carter, Hood, Sockwell, Treadwell, Little, Muse, Russell, Mcswain, Martin, Ballard, Griffin, Blackburn, Walker, Payne, Lusk, Crowell, Herrod, Pleas, Gray, Grey, Hill, Foster, Toney, Terrell, Terrill, Graves, Miller, Adair, Rooks, Sticher, Peek, Daugherty, Causey, Thompson, Boudinot, Jeffries, Petit, and several others including those on the 1830Carroll county, Ga census descendants.
Areas of interest:
1820-1840 time frames of Carroll county, Douglas county, Cobb county, Campbell county, and Paulding county, Georgia.
#2 Mar 16, 2013
We are people connected to the Oktahatalofa village, our ancestors goes back to the 1820-1840 time frame in the Sandtown village area which is the time frame before removal. We have a very mixed ancestrial background not only racially but tribally. Sandtown village was a place where various tribes came together and refused to become involved in any wars. Sandtown Village was also a place for trading (bascially the market place). Andrew Jackson stated we could stay if we did not get involved in any conflicts with anyone else, which the village kept it's word. In return for staying the village had to give up it's sovereignty. Some of the families simply was abandoned and taken in by other families, some families was simply the family (mostly the cousins such as the case for John Thomas Mcintosh) of those removed and returned to the village. Our ancestors did not hide and was not lost. We have kept ties to the Sandtown area from 1820-present. Some of us even to this day still pass down the Sandtown names in their original language such as the name Senoya while a large number of us still carry the same surnames as those removed from Carroll county, Ga to Oklahoma. Anyone who compares the cemetery's in Carroll county, Ga and those in Oaklahoma will see the same surnames. Some Carroll county, Ga people have DNA tested and matched with those who left for Oklahoma.
Like mentioned before we are not a sovereign people, we are not a part of the Oklahoma groups, we are not part of any other group, we are our own community seeking to preserve our heritage and the Sandtown village history. We are not full bloods, we are mixed bloods. We seek to reinforce the bond with each other so that the bond our ancestors had is not lost in future generations. We seek to educate a historically correct culture and heritage of the Sandtown village and it's people so future generations can continue to properly educate the public about the communities' history. As more and more people move into the Sandtown village areas and more construction is made, it is ever more important to keep the history preserved and education passed on for future generations.
How we are able to get a more accurate idea of who was associated to the Sandtown village is by comparing the names removed to Oklahoma from Georgia and Carroll county, Ga with those who stayed while not only having the same family names but also being in the same area before removal or showing up just after removal, then doing genealogy on those families. We also look at the families who kept the old Sandtown names in their original language. Families who was historically already named mixed blood native people which moved into the area is looked at as well. Guion Miller rolls are looked at as well as those who matched their DNA to those in Oklahoma. Photos have become a vital piece of evidence as well. The 1830 Carroll county, Ga census named 42 Native people however left over 160 listed yet unnamed.
Preservation of history is preservation of the future.
#3 Mar 16, 2013
Sandtown and Buzzard's Roost were the two largest Indian villages in the area where Atlanta would develop. The road now known as Cascade was originally an Indian trail known as the Sandtown Road and ran from the village on the Chattahoochee River near Utoy Creek east to through what became Five Points then to the vicinity of Decatur.
Oktaha, "Sand town," composed of families which had fled from the other villages to avoid being involved in the Creek-American war.
This community after 1820 became comprised of Muscogee, Cherokee, and mixed bloods of other tribes such as the Jeffries' who came from the Catawba, the Collins' who came from the Granville, NC Saponi, The Bass' who came from the Nansemond, the Jordan's who came from the Powhatan people, even people from the Lumbee families came to the area which would probally make up for the numerous Lowery's in the area. The original Jordan was Samuel Jordan who came from James town and actually lived directly next door to John Rolfe. The Dobbins was living on Monacan (Saponi) land in Bedford, Va and was part of the Goose Creek Quakers, William Dobbins' family ended up in Granville, NC and married into the Collins family there who was of the Saponi tribe. The Hawkins family also lived with the Collins in Granville, NC. The extensive research by Professor Robert K Thomas entitled "Cherokee communities of the south" gives extensive research into these mixed bloods who moved into the Sandtown village area.
In 1830 the Carroll county, Ga census listed well over 200 Native Americans living among the settlers to the area. Including Jesse Smith who was listed as not leaving the area.
#4 Mar 16, 2013
The Helton/Hilton family was DNA tested and their DNA showed the haplogroup Q1a3 aka Native American, Daniel Hilton emigrated from Carroll county, Ga to Indian territory (Oaklahoma) how ever many other Hilton family stayed and are buried in numerous graves through Carroll county, Ga such as the Jordan's cemetery. In 1880's Villa Rica, Ga census there is indian Columbus Mahathee living in William Tadford Jordan's home and Mahthee's sister living next door in the Smith families' home. Other families such as John Thomas Mcintosh stayed in Carroll county, Ga and is listed in Guion Miller records as the cousin to Chillicothee Mcintosh. By 1830 numerous Cherokee had started dominating the Sandtown area such as the Vann family. Some names was preserved in the Sandtown area families to this day such as the name Senoya which was given to Senoya Teal of Villa Rica, Ga 1909 and was passed down to her Grand daughter who lives to this day. Senoya is one of the oldest recorded names associated with the Sand town people. Close to 10 percent of the oldest graves in Carroll county, Ga shares the same names as those removed to Oaklahoma in the late 1830's. former Chief of the Cherokee Nation of Oaklahoma Chad Smith descended from Red Bird Smith who was a son of Pig Smith, Pig Smith moved from Georgia and it is assumed connected to Carroll county, Ga since numerous Smith's was taken to Indian Territory from Carroll county, Ga however several Smiths remained in Carroll county, Ga.
"Early Villa Rica had a Wild West atmosphere complete with Indians, horse thieves, and vigilante justice. The Creek Indian village was located on Sweetwater Creek east of town. They were hunters, not warriors, and were friendly toward the white settlers eventually taking on work amongst the settlers. Townspeople were invited to Creek celebrations including a three day festival held each autumn with lots of food and activities. At some point later in the 1830s, the Creeks moved to either Arkansas or Oklahoma but local records are unclear whether or not this was by choice or part of the Trail of Tears." Mary Talley Anderson (1976), The History of Villa Rica (City of Gold), Privately Published.
It is assumed that along with numerous families staying in the area, some children was abandoned and taken in by the families who was friends with the Sandtown people.
A list of Emigrants from Georgia.
1. Wm and Susanna Reid ,Wm Reid set out but wife and family deserted have received no commutation money
2. Saml Terrill , yet loitering in the Nation East but has reciedved none of the Government bounty
3. George Freeman, yet in the nation East but has recd no bounty
4. Chars McDaniel, in the Nation East but recd no bounty
5. Thompson Linyard, Recd reg for commutation but not gone
6. John Pindar, In the Nation East but reced no bounty
7. Ambrose Harnage not gone nor received any bounty
8. Jesse Smith Still in the Nation East by rcd no bounty
Those above are just some of the Cherokee who stayed in Georgia.
Contact Oktahatalofa Heritage Association:
#5 Mar 16, 2013
#6 Mar 19, 2013
I am interested in your project. I was a Carroll County, GA Nalley before I married.
#8 Jun 13, 2013
Not sure how I got to this site? I was researching one of my ancestors. Susannah Redbird, also called Susan Redbird born 1818 Clarke Georgia died 1900 Winston, Alabama. I think Cherokee, she married Sam Mitchell I think Creek. Daughter Lucinda Mitchell, any help would be nice. Loved reading the history on the site!My family ended up in Oklahoma on the trail of tears.
#9 Jul 26, 2014
I have discovered Susannah RedBird is my ancestor. What information have you found since posting?
#10 Sep 13, 2014
During the 1828 investigation by Gen coffee to draw the treaty line between the Creek and Cherokee, several Cherokee, Creek and settlers came forward to give what info they knew about the 1821 treaty line. One creek indian indicated 7 creek indians lived at Sandtown (oktahazauzau) that he was related to. Sandtown had become a settlement of backwoods intruders and those avoiding the law or slavery. Like many other places in the nations, both Creek and Cherokee, Sandtown was uncivil and unpoliced, leaving its fate to the wuill of miscreants from the civilized areas. It was originally surveyed as part of Fayette County (ergo FF 14 district), later henry county, annexed to Gwinett, then in 1822 Dekalb, before ending up in Campbell County in 1828 (finally annexed to Fulton in 1932). Opened up due to creek cessions after the Redstick war (1813-1814) as part of the War of 1812 and Cherokee treaty of 1817, the area east of the Chattahoochee was peopled mainly with people from more eastern counties who had intreuded into the lands now owned by the state of Ga.
In 1826, several families from McMinn County, Tennessee moved to Sandtown with the expressed purpose of operating a "Pony Club", a criminal activity noted in Ga. as early as the 1760s. Horse thieves grew in numbers in all the counties adjoining Cherokee lands, but also visited Creek lands in Alabama to steal horse, cattle, hogs or anything else of value mainly on indian land. Sandtown became the center of the Federal Line during the Atlanta Campaign, wherein pontoons were laid down on utoy creek and the Chattahoochee River and the armies of Gen Serman crossed into Campbell County and destroyed the Railroads below and west of Atlanta, causing the city to surrender to federal forces.
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