Are warrantless searches now the norm?

Are warrantless searches now the norm?

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Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#1 Apr 25, 2013
While searching for the Boston Islamic terrorist, the police entered private homes by force pointing weapons at the homeowners and forcing them out of their homes. Could this be done again at will when the police are looking for anyone? Will they soon be kicking down the doors of homes in pretense to protect you and your family? Is this an abuse of power and is it the same as martial law?
Franky I am against search and seizure without a warrant. Otherwise the law just becomes a bunch of thugs breaking into your home. Reminds one of Germany when Hitler was in power or Castro's Cuba.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#2 Apr 25, 2013
Here is the link for the post above.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/bob-parks/has-waterto...

Since: Jan 10

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#3 Apr 25, 2013
Dave:

I understand your points. However, in this SPECIFIC instance, what would you have had them do differently?

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#4 Apr 25, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
Dave:
I understand your points. However, in this SPECIFIC instance, what would you have had them do differently?
I certainly would not have shut the city down. I certainly would not have forced my way into hundreds of homes sticking automatic weapons into the homeowners faces.
There will always be some specific instance that someone can make a point to declare martial law or illegal searches and seizures. There have been many prison escapes and crimes committed by extremely mean, evil, and murderous people and it has never been necessary to take such drastic steps.
I feel that the whole episode was just overkill. He would have been captured sooner or later, as it was proven the police didn't find him but a homeowner found him hiding in his boat. I don't see that this 19 year old was any more dangerous than a mass murder that had escaped from prison, which happens somewhat frequently. This was just much more dramatic. It would have been much more helpful if the people of Boston had guns to arm themselves with to protect their families from this lone terrorist. I saw a poll yesterday that said that 69% of the people in Boston wished that they had a firearm in their home at that particular time.
It looks to me that the government took liberties with all our Constitutional laws and pushed them to the limits just to see how far people would allow them to go in the name of security. Personally I would rather take my chances with the terrorist than allow the government to just do anything they please just because they can get away with it. Where does it stop? You tell me just where does it stop?
ChicknButt

Norcross, GA

#5 Apr 25, 2013
Are warrantless searches now the norm?

Yes. They are.

Some people might think that things like that would only happen under extreme circumstances like police looking for murderous cop-killing public-bombing fugitives with lots of explosives in their possession. Those people who think that are crazy.

Of course unwarranted searches are now the norm. It's how things are done now. Get used to it.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vwZ2RaM2sIU/Tc7hNDd...

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#6 Apr 25, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
Are warrantless searches now the norm?
Yes. They are.
Some people might think that things like that would only happen under extreme circumstances like police looking for murderous cop-killing public-bombing fugitives with lots of explosives in their possession. Those people who think that are crazy.
Of course unwarranted searches are now the norm. It's how things are done now. Get used to it.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vwZ2RaM2sIU/Tc7hNDd...
Why is it the norm now? Why should it be? Do we not have any rights anymore? If not why? That would seem to me that the terrorist and criminals have won and the American people have lost and will be living in a police state. If Americans are living in a police state then does that mean the government is also criminal?
Loopy

Villa Rica, GA

#7 Apr 25, 2013
It's called exigent circumstances.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8 Apr 25, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
Are warrantless searches now the norm?
Yes. They are.
Some people might think that things like that would only happen under extreme circumstances like police looking for murderous cop-killing public-bombing fugitives with lots of explosives in their possession. Those people who think that are crazy.
Of course unwarranted searches are now the norm. It's how things are done now. Get used to it.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vwZ2RaM2sIU/Tc7hNDd...
There you go. Strealing pics from Obama's website again.
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#9 Apr 25, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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Why is it the norm now? Why should it be? Do we not have any rights anymore? If not why? That would seem to me that the terrorist and criminals have won and the American people have lost and will be living in a police state. If Americans are living in a police state then does that mean the government is also criminal?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vLyR9ctjtfw/UHdutHR...

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#10 Apr 26, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
Evidently you and many Americans think that no amount of government intrusion in our lives is too much if we are told it is all for our security. There must be limits on government controls concerning our civil liberties. Otherwise we will end up living in a police state.
Keep reading that book and you may soon learn how to deal with your ideas.
prove it

Douglasville, GA

#11 Apr 26, 2013
come on "big" dave, your the same type of person who would make a big deal out of it if the government didnt do everything they did. nothing is ever good enough for people like you. you second guess everything but you dont have the guts to really get involved. no one is losing thier liberties. dont be such a conspiracy theorist and get outside away from your tv and computer once in a while.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#13 Apr 26, 2013
prove it wrote:
come on "big" dave, your the same type of person who would make a big deal out of it if the government didnt do everything they did. nothing is ever good enough for people like you. you second guess everything but you dont have the guts to really get involved. no one is losing thier liberties. dont be such a conspiracy theorist and get outside away from your tv and computer once in a while.

I am quite picky when I see Americans Constitutional rights being taken away from them for any reason. Maybe you trust the government but I don't. I am sure most of the people in Cuba trusted their new government under Fidel Castro. Look what that got them. Why would anyone trust any politicians? They would never lie to you or take advantage of you would they? All they do is take one little right from you here and there and pretty soon if you aren't careful all your rights are gone. Of course they were taken away from you for your own protection and for your own good. It is a slippery slope and we must always be alert to protect the rights that so many people gave their lives to protect.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#14 Apr 26, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Evidently you and many Americans think that no amount of government intrusion in our lives is too much if we are told it is all for our security. There must be limits on government controls concerning our civil liberties. Otherwise we will end up living in a police state.
Keep reading that book and you may soon learn how to deal with your ideas.
I have never understood those that would give up liberty for security.
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#15 Apr 27, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I certainly would not have shut the city down. I certainly would not have forced my way into hundreds of homes sticking automatic weapons into the homeowners faces.
There will always be some specific instance that someone can make a point to declare martial law or illegal searches and seizures. There have been many prison escapes and crimes committed by extremely mean, evil, and murderous people and it has never been necessary to take such drastic steps.
I feel that the whole episode was just overkill. He would have been captured sooner or later, as it was proven the police didn't find him but a homeowner found him hiding in his boat. I don't see that this 19 year old was any more dangerous than a mass murder that had escaped from prison, which happens somewhat frequently. This was just much more dramatic. It would have been much more helpful if the people of Boston had guns to arm themselves with to protect their families from this lone terrorist. I saw a poll yesterday that said that 69% of the people in Boston wished that they had a firearm in their home at that particular time.
It looks to me that the government took liberties with all our Constitutional laws and pushed them to the limits just to see how far people would allow them to go in the name of security. Personally I would rather take my chances with the terrorist than allow the government to just do anything they please just because they can get away with it. Where does it stop? You tell me just where does it stop?
Bigdave, I had no idea how scary it really is, with the loss of liberty today. From the constitutional violations to the civil rights violations to the fear of speaking out, it is just beyond my belief. Maybe if I was younger I would understand it better, but I can't comprehend the way it is today for our rights that we have taken for granted. I guess I was one of the stupid people that believed government worked, even though we know it doesn't, I just trusted that it did. Did I ever wake up!
One thing I learned is that the presidents all of them are just empty suits, and we the people are just plain ignorant and far to trusting and the press reports nothing of real journalism anymore. Corporate powers rule, and all of that here is overseas today.When are we going to take America back?
lol

Douglasville, GA

#16 Apr 27, 2013
Sooo how many more people needed to die? 10? 20? Before it was ok to shut the city down. They did what they had to do. Of course you can armchair quarterback what they did after the fact. They made a tough decision and I think it was the right one.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#17 Apr 27, 2013
lol wrote:
Sooo how many more people needed to die? 10? 20? Before it was ok to shut the city down. They did what they had to do. Of course you can armchair quarterback what they did after the fact. They made a tough decision and I think it was the right one.
What are you going to do when the terrorists actually mount a real offensive against the United States? Do you actually think there are only a couple here and there? So far we know that these people work in cells containing up to 12 people. There could be cells with much greater numbers in it that could mount devastating attacks on us at anytime. So far only a few of these attacks have happened that we know of and the government may have foiled many others.
As far as I know there could be many thousands of Muslims just waiting for the Clerics in Iran to give them the word to attack us. These people wear no uniforms and get all the money they need to do their evil deeds. Just because all Muslims are not actively involved in setting off bombs and shooting us doesn't mean that others are not giving moral, and financial, and physical support to those that do the actual dirty work. I see no mass demonstrations of Muslims protesting on their own for murdering us.
So when all this does happen, and it will happen, do we just cower in fear and let the government shut the whole country down or do we continue on with our lives the best that we can? letting the government treat all of us as if we are the terrorists in the name of security is not the answer. Do you want to live as a free American or do you want to live under martial law with the government saying that it is protecting you but that is only an excuse to control our freedoms. You might as well be living under Islamic law in that case. Almost nobody wants to die but some people know that there are things worse than death.
Pick your poison.
ChicknButt

Norcross, GA

#18 Apr 27, 2013
lol wrote:
Sooo how many more people needed to die? 10? 20? Before it was ok to shut the city down. They did what they had to do. Of course you can armchair quarterback what they did after the fact. They made a tough decision and I think it was the right one.
Sorry, but the original poster can't read this.

He joined a "Red Dawn" type group and is currently hiding in the woods playing army-man waiting for the commies to show up. His last words before he left town were "When those pinkos make it to Villa Rica you'll wish you listened to me! Ha!" Then he filled up his canteen and ran out the door.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#19 Apr 27, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but the original poster can't read this.
He joined a "Red Dawn" type group and is currently hiding in the woods playing army-man waiting for the commies to show up. His last words before he left town were "When those pinkos make it to Villa Rica you'll wish you listened to me! Ha!" Then he filled up his canteen and ran out the door.
Just another ha, ha, ha, listen to this idiot type response. Always belittle the truth as you have no other weapon to use at this time. I notice Obama does this all the time too. I am not politically correct nor do I give a damn what people think. I am not the type of person to fall for your ploy, so please use it on the weak minded.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#20 Apr 27, 2013
Even Bigdave can't believe this. Bill Maher and I agree on how this Boston manhunt was handled. I thought This could never happen but here it is. If I were dead I would have flipped over in my grave.
After the fear has died down people are beginning to understand what happened.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/bill-ma...

Since: May 12

Douglasville, GA

#21 Apr 27, 2013
I have to agree with you on this one Bigdave1, I thought the same thing as I was watching it.

This sort of thing certainly didn't start under Obama tho, its been going on since 9/11.

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