What is a miracle?
concerned

Suwanee, GA

#41 Dec 8, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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Why would we need planes, boats and cars in heaven?
You stupid pathological sociopath. Get help. Get your knee pads. Get your boyfriend.
concerned

Suwanee, GA

#42 Dec 8, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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Oh yeah, the saint clause.
Go hum one, you stupid fool. Everybody is laughing at your stupid fool a$s.
concerned

Suwanee, GA

#43 Dec 8, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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There is no evidence that a man named Jesus of Nazareth, that performed miracles, that was the son of a god, that was born of a virgin, that was crucified by Pontius Pilate, entombed and resurrected ever existed. So, if we can't even prove he ever existed how could you ever believe he was more than a man.( if you want more on this, I very well read in the gospels, especially the earliest, the gospel according to Paul in which there is no mention of miracles, virgin birth, etc,)
I seriously doubt that you questioned with complete objectiveness. I doubt that you were a skeptic. You may have questioned your beliefs, many do, however the slightest bit of coincidence is usually enough for someone who wants this to be true to accept it as confirmation of divinity.
Faith is not easy and most believers do struggle, well, that's reason and logic getting in the way of the fantasy. You know it's not real, but you lie to yourself and try to convince yourself it is real.
We are, as far as we know, completely alone, but at the same time we aren't. We are alone in the respect that this the only world currently known to possess life. But on this earth there are 7 billion people, and there were billions before us and there will be billions after us. That's the most wonderful thing, that we had a chance to live in it, I don't need anything more. Our only chance at immortality are the good deeds we do to benefit our future generations.
Religion is akin to nihilism and death cults, you all want to die to get to a better place because someone sold you a fairy tale of this better place where there is no suffering.
Heaven is a place where there is no suffering?
My mother loves me, she is a devoted believer and when she dies she will go to heaven, correct? Well, I am a non-believer, when I die I will not got to heaven, I'll be in hell. This will make my mother fell sorrow and pain and therefore she will suffer. Unless, our earthly memories and experiences are wiped from our heavenly selves and we no longer know about those people we loved on earth. So what's the point of heaven? Will you suffer knowing a relative didn't make it or will you have no memory of being human and of the ones you loved?
You boring pos. Go get down on your knees for your boyfriend. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
concerned

Suwanee, GA

#44 Dec 8, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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Give me an example of a "miracle" that I can examine.
You stupid gobbler. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
concerned

Suwanee, GA

#45 Dec 8, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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So god lives in the gaps? If we don't know what it is, then it must be god? You have a small god my friend, a god that is ever shrinking.
So you have special knowledge and privileges because you believe in an invisible, undetectable, untestable sky daddy. And because you're a "believer" and you have this special knowledge you believe that it makes you somehow immune to death and decay? Guess what, we will all rot, that is unless you're cremated or cryogenically stored.
Soul. What is a soul? Describe it to me. Tell me where exactly it is within my body. What is it's purpose? Where does it come from? Who gets souls and who doesn't? What age do you receive it at? Please tell me, I want the answers with references.
Get your knee pads and gobble your boyfriend, you stupid idiot. HAHAHAHAHAHHA
concerned

Suwanee, GA

#46 Dec 8, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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Magic: the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.
Miracle: An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God
Sounds like the same thing to me.
Get help, you stupid fool. Nobody cares about your mental illness. Gobble gobble. HAHAHAHAHA
concerned

Suwanee, GA

#47 Dec 8, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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Sin, an imaginary disease used to sell you an imaginary cure.
I love how the faithful dwell in the suffering of others who do not believe like them, "If you don't believe my particular myth, my god is going to punish you". You do realize that the Muslims and Jews look at you and think the same thing? And you all believe in the same god.
Your whole atheist story, so what? Atheists are atheists for different reasons. We have no doctrine, dogma or worldview. Some are atheist because they are rational, intelligent, critical thinkers, others are atheist because mommy pissed them off and made them go to church and now they want to piss mommy off.
You do realize that we are all atheists in respect to all of histories gods (Zeus, Ra, Allah...), right? I just go 1 further. Once you realize why you dismiss all those other gods, then you'll understand why I dismiss yours.
Plus, I think you read that propaganda on Facebook or from some apologists website. My news feed is loaded with stories like "atheist heroin addict becomes believer" or "atheist gets schooled and now believes". Please.
I need no forgiveness, I've done nothing wrong. If using my critical thinking skills and requiring evidence is "wrong", so be it. I won't be a blind sheep in your mindless herd led by an imaginary totalitarian deity to the collection plate.
Your boyfriend is giving you new kneepads for Christmas. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
concerned

Suwanee, GA

#48 Dec 8, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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Really? Wasn't Jesus the human son of himself, I mean god? Here is a story of "miracles" being performed by the human hand, so therefore, by your very own statement, miracles are magic.
I'll break it down:
Magic- humans
Miracles- non-humans
Jesus- human son of god
Jesus performed miracles, and since miracles cannot be performed by humans, Jesus was a magician. So, everything you claim to be a miracle is just magic.
gobble the whole thing. HAHAHAHAHA
concerned

Suwanee, GA

#49 Dec 8, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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There is no evidence that a man named Jesus of Nazareth, that performed miracles, that was the son of a god, that was born of a virgin, that was crucified by Pontius Pilate, entombed and resurrected ever existed. So, if we can't even prove he ever existed how could you ever believe he was more than a man.( if you want more on this, I very well read in the gospels, especially the earliest, the gospel according to Paul in which there is no mention of miracles, virgin birth, etc,)
I seriously doubt that you questioned with complete objectiveness. I doubt that you were a skeptic. You may have questioned your beliefs, many do, however the slightest bit of coincidence is usually enough for someone who wants this to be true to accept it as confirmation of divinity.
Faith is not easy and most believers do struggle, well, that's reason and logic getting in the way of the fantasy. You know it's not real, but you lie to yourself and try to convince yourself it is real.
We are, as far as we know, completely alone, but at the same time we aren't. We are alone in the respect that this the only world currently known to possess life. But on this earth there are 7 billion people, and there were billions before us and there will be billions after us. That's the most wonderful thing, that we had a chance to live in it, I don't need anything more. Our only chance at immortality are the good deeds we do to benefit our future generations.
Religion is akin to nihilism and death cults, you all want to die to get to a better place because someone sold you a fairy tale of this better place where there is no suffering.
Heaven is a place where there is no suffering?
My mother loves me, she is a devoted believer and when she dies she will go to heaven, correct? Well, I am a non-believer, when I die I will not got to heaven, I'll be in hell. This will make my mother fell sorrow and pain and therefore she will suffer. Unless, our earthly memories and experiences are wiped from our heavenly selves and we no longer know about those people we loved on earth. So what's the point of heaven? Will you suffer knowing a relative didn't make it or will you have no memory of being human and of the ones you loved?
You stupid idiot. You are a big fool. You give queers a bad name. HAHAHAHAHAHA
concerned

Suwanee, GA

#50 Dec 8, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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Fear of death.
You stupid fool.
concerned

Suwanee, GA

#51 Dec 8, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
That's a pretty good motivator for people to lie to themselves.
You stupid gobbler. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Uh oh

Douglasville, GA

#52 Dec 8, 2013
concerned wrote:
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You stupid gobbler. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Not sure what is going on but your posts are disturbing. I guess you are insinuating that the poster is gay? So? What does that have to do with this thread?
Atheos Aphobos

Douglasville, GA

#53 Dec 9, 2013
Uh oh wrote:
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Not sure what is going on but your posts are disturbing. I guess you are insinuating that the poster is gay? So? What does that have to do with this thread?
This moron, a Christian, follows me around and does this to all my posts. Don't acknowledge it, he's quite disturbed and is definitely projecting his deepest desires. He knows I'm not gay, but is juvenile enough to think that calling someone that is an insult.
Atheos Aphobos

Douglasville, GA

#54 Dec 9, 2013
Uh oh wrote:
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I hear you. The unknown of death can be very scary. I don't care what anyone says: Christian, Hindu, Muslim, etc., the thought of dying and death and what happens after is unsettling. Some think that when a body dies that's it. It's over. Some believe that our souls, our spirits live on. It seems kind of silly that of all the millions of people in the world an individual's spirit can mean something. Honestly, I don't know. And I believe know one really knows. But for me, and people like you, why do we study this topic so deeply? It must mean something because it does not go away. Why does Chrisianity affect people so differently?
I believe the teachings of the bible are profound and fluid. On a personal level. I believe that Christ was a being worthy of emulating. And I believe religiosity sucks. The 10 Commandments are brilliant in my opinion. Simple to understand and a fair way to live life. Faith and understanding is personal. And if you come across like-minded people in your journey through life, it makes faith all the more real.
So, if you believe no one really knows about death and the afterlife, why would you believe any of it? That's the lie right there, you have rationalized that it is not known what happens after death, but yet force yourself accept that you'll be with Jesus and the baby animals.

Christ was hardly a person to emulate, sure if you just read the happy, shiny parts of the bible, he's sounds like a good guy, a liberal hippie that the GOP would crucify today. But if you read all of it, you realize that he is just Yahweh Lite. He approves of all the murder, rape, hate, slave owning, infanticide, racism and other atrocities in that book.

Why is it that only 2 of the 10 commandments were important enough to become laws? That's because the first 4 are the lord telling you that he is jealous and that you must obey him and he must be the only one and don't make drawings of him.

There are three versions of the Ten Commandments in the Bible. Two of them are very similar, Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21.

The third version, in Exodus 34:12-26, is radically different, and is the only one which the Bible refers to as "the Ten Commandments". This is the second set which were given to Moses following the destruction of the first tablets when he suffered from an anger management failure after witnessing the Israelites worshipping the golden calf. While it has a few similarities to the original set, it does not include well known rational commandments such as "Thou shalt not steal" and "Thou shalt not kill"; but has instead instructions about holy days, not cooking kids in their mothers' milk, and God expresses a distaste for sacrifices containing both blood and yeast (although either alone is apparently quite acceptable). God says (Exodus 34:1) that this second set was also written on the first pair of tablets, so the "Ten Commandments" from Exodus 20 are probably not the Ten Commandments at all.

Solace in numbers? Just because 2 billion people believe a lie doesn't make it true. Remember, there was a time when the everyone on earth believed the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. So no matter how many people believe a particular untruth, it is still an untruth.
Uh oh

United States

#55 Dec 9, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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So, if you believe no one really knows about death and the afterlife, why would you believe any of it? That's the lie right there, you have rationalized that it is not known what happens after death, but yet force yourself accept that you'll be with Jesus and the baby animals.
Christ was hardly a person to emulate, sure if you just read the happy, shiny parts of the bible, he's sounds like a good guy, a liberal hippie that the GOP would crucify today. But if you read all of it, you realize that he is just Yahweh Lite. He approves of all the murder, rape, hate, slave owning, infanticide, racism and other atrocities in that book.
Why is it that only 2 of the 10 commandments were important enough to become laws? That's because the first 4 are the lord telling you that he is jealous and that you must obey him and he must be the only one and don't make drawings of him.
There are three versions of the Ten Commandments in the Bible. Two of them are very similar, Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21.
The third version, in Exodus 34:12-26, is radically different, and is the only one which the Bible refers to as "the Ten Commandments". This is the second set which were given to Moses following the destruction of the first tablets when he suffered from an anger management failure after witnessing the Israelites worshipping the golden calf. While it has a few similarities to the original set, it does not include well known rational commandments such as "Thou shalt not steal" and "Thou shalt not kill"; but has instead instructions about holy days, not cooking kids in their mothers' milk, and God expresses a distaste for sacrifices containing both blood and yeast (although either alone is apparently quite acceptable). God says (Exodus 34:1) that this second set was also written on the first pair of tablets, so the "Ten Commandments" from Exodus 20 are probably not the Ten Commandments at all.
Solace in numbers? Just because 2 billion people believe a lie doesn't make it true. Remember, there was a time when the everyone on earth believed the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. So no matter how many people believe a particular untruth, it is still an untruth.
Two billion is a lot of people. People who have access to more research, documentation and personal accounts than those who believed the earth was flat so many years ago.
Uh oh

United States

#56 Dec 9, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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So, if you believe no one really knows about death and the afterlife, why would you believe any of it? That's the lie right there, you have rationalized that it is not known what happens after death, but yet force yourself accept that you'll be with Jesus and the baby animals.
Christ was hardly a person to emulate, sure if you just read the happy, shiny parts of the bible, he's sounds like a good guy, a liberal hippie that the GOP would crucify today. But if you read all of it, you realize that he is just Yahweh Lite. He approves of all the murder, rape, hate, slave owning, infanticide, racism and other atrocities in that book.
Why is it that only 2 of the 10 commandments were important enough to become laws? That's because the first 4 are the lord telling you that he is jealous and that you must obey him and he must be the only one and don't make drawings of him.
There are three versions of the Ten Commandments in the Bible. Two of them are very similar, Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21.
The third version, in Exodus 34:12-26, is radically different, and is the only one which the Bible refers to as "the Ten Commandments". This is the second set which were given to Moses following the destruction of the first tablets when he suffered from an anger management failure after witnessing the Israelites worshipping the golden calf. While it has a few similarities to the original set, it does not include well known rational commandments such as "Thou shalt not steal" and "Thou shalt not kill"; but has instead instructions about holy days, not cooking kids in their mothers' milk, and God expresses a distaste for sacrifices containing both blood and yeast (although either alone is apparently quite acceptable). God says (Exodus 34:1) that this second set was also written on the first pair of tablets, so the "Ten Commandments" from Exodus 20 are probably not the Ten Commandments at all.
Solace in numbers? Just because 2 billion people believe a lie doesn't make it true. Remember, there was a time when the everyone on earth believed the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. So no matter how many people believe a particular untruth, it is still an untruth.
I'm curious to get your thoughts on spirituality. With no particular religious influence. What makes you wonder?
Atheos Aphobos

Douglasville, GA

#57 Dec 9, 2013
Uh oh wrote:
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Two billion is a lot of people. People who have access to more research, documentation and personal accounts than those who believed the earth was flat so many years ago.
Indoctrination and scare tactics are strong tools.
Atheos Aphobos

Douglasville, GA

#58 Dec 9, 2013
Uh oh wrote:
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I'm curious to get your thoughts on spirituality. With no particular religious influence. What makes you wonder?
You're going to have to define what exactly you mean by "spirituality".

I've encountered this question often. My quest is one of knowledge, I just like to know how certain things work. It's for personal interest. I don't need to know everything, especially when there not a good logical, reasonable explanation for it.

I'll sit back and wait for the answer to be discovered or begin to do my own research and see if I can find an answer that others can replicate, test and receive identical results.
Uh oh

Douglasville, GA

#59 Dec 9, 2013
Atheos Aphobos wrote:
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You're going to have to define what exactly you mean by "spirituality".
I've encountered this question often. My quest is one of knowledge, I just like to know how certain things work. It's for personal interest. I don't need to know everything, especially when there not a good logical, reasonable explanation for it.
I'll sit back and wait for the answer to be discovered or begin to do my own research and see if I can find an answer that others can replicate, test and receive identical results.
To me spirituality is a bonding with something that causes a peaceful, knowing feeling. It cannot be learned. Just looking at the miracle of a tree's activities through the four seasons is amazing. The human hand itself is fascinating. I cannot wrap my head around the theory of evolution anymore than you can embrace creationism.
Knowledge and facts are important to me as well but I don't believe life and its experiences can all be explained. We can try but as I said before, the bible has been picked clean by people who don't believe or don't want to believe in God. Yet it still is a powerful tool as well as a divine guide for living. It challenges me to be a valuable asset to others through kindness, compassion and understanding. And it condemns judgment of others. And it is frustrating as all hell that supposed Christians interpret the Word to fit their agendas and act like they have all the answers. That is not "sharing the Gospel" as it was intended.
I've enjoyed the dialogue so far. I will venture to say though that your unwanted online antagonist is no Christian.
Atheos Aphobos

Douglasville, GA

#60 Dec 9, 2013
Uh oh wrote:
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To me spirituality is a bonding with something that causes a peaceful, knowing feeling. It cannot be learned. Just looking at the miracle of a tree's activities through the four seasons is amazing. The human hand itself is fascinating. I cannot wrap my head around the theory of evolution anymore than you can embrace creationism.
Knowledge and facts are important to me as well but I don't believe life and its experiences can all be explained. We can try but as I said before, the bible has been picked clean by people who don't believe or don't want to believe in God. Yet it still is a powerful tool as well as a divine guide for living. It challenges me to be a valuable asset to others through kindness, compassion and understanding. And it condemns judgment of others. And it is frustrating as all hell that supposed Christians interpret the Word to fit their agendas and act like they have all the answers. That is not "sharing the Gospel" as it was intended.
I've enjoyed the dialogue so far. I will venture to say though that your unwanted online antagonist is no Christian.
So, you believe in zen, sort of.

Complexity makes you think think that there is a greater power at work, I recommend that you research "The Blind Watchmaker". Just because something is complex it does not prove or even suggest that there is something behind it that designed it.

Evolution is fact. It has been demonstrated, tested and proven to be 100% fact. I do not accept creationism because it is faux science, created by Christian apologists in attempt to prove the bible as fact. That's not how science works. Science follows evidence to where it takes it. Creationism has the endgame in hand and collects "evidence" to support it, discounting and discrediting all contradictory evidence. That's why there are no scientific papers published by accredited sources about creationism, it's religious propaganda.

The bible is constantly picked at because it is flawed, erroneous and contradictory to itself. 2 versions of the creation story, none of the gospels agree on everything about Jesus, the historicity of the book is wrong, etc...

Not much in the bible has been be able to be proven as actually occurring, being contradicted by most contemporary historians. There is no record of Jesus being executed by Pontius Pilate, yet there are daily logs available of the persons he had incarcerated, meetings he had, festivals, laws he created and so on.

The bible is far from a good moral guide. You just persecuted those who use the bible for their own agenda and have just done the same. You've cherry-picked it. You pulled out the few good things and discarded the parts that are unsettling. It's common, but if you are going to suggest that the bible is a source of morality, you have to accept all the slave beating, raping, pillaging, murder, child abuse and chaos within its covers.

I too have enjoyed this dialogue, however, that guy claims to be a follower of Christ and therefore is a Christian. You're making a "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

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