DCSS Algebra Test Scores

DCSS Algebra Test Scores

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GloomandDoom

Villa Rica, GA

#1 Jul 11, 2013
Did anyone see the article in the AJC this morning about the EOTC test scores for the 9th grade coordinate algebra class? If so, you should be as angry as I am!!! Only 28.8% of students passed the EOTC!!! WE HAVE SCORES LOWER THAN STATE AVERAGE!! We only beat Clayton county! As a teacher in this county, I am appalled!! I am outraged!! I have been an advocate for years of retaining students that do not meet standards, only to be thwarted by administration and county office. I have complained to the county office about the past curriculum (Discovery Math) that students do not learn math that way, complained about the spiraling math program that was in existence until this "new" (old) system came into being, and that there are no math texts in the county that even begin to cover our standards. Maybe now that the county has hit rock bottom in math scores somebody will listen. Please, please parents, get angry!! Go to board meetings! Make yourself heard about the disservice our county education board is doing to OUR children.

Math is the foundation of higher learning. Our children need this and are not learning all because the county wishes to play around with the curriculum and just let students pass without being proficient in the standards. If a child can't mulitply, add or subtract integers, and solve basic algebraic equations, then they should be held back!!!

Many
PARENT

Ashburn, VA

#2 Jul 12, 2013
Part of the problem with math is instead of sticking with algebra and the normal math that we all grew up with. Douglas county decided that they were going to do the new math that started in 2009 which messed up all the kids! When you have teachers that can't teach it, in all the SCHOOLS in Douglas county by the way! How are the kids going to learn it?

The problem we are having is that we are not Cobb, Gwinnett county! As far as I can tell we will never be at this point!

Hiring people who want to teach and work in the Douglas county school system is what we need to go back to! There are way to many people teaching and working for Douglas School system that send their kids to private school! Are you serious...so it is good enough for you to work for but not send your kids to?

local 2

United States

#3 Jul 12, 2013
They dont let them kids use cacula tors no more if the did there grades would be better. How do anyone experience the the kids to use only pencel and paper
GloomandDoom

Villa Rica, GA

#4 Jul 12, 2013
local 2 wrote:
They dont let them kids use cacula tors no more if the did there grades would be better. How do anyone experience the the kids to use only pencel and paper
Actually, calculators are allowed in High School. My two children needed to purchase graphing calculators for their Math classes.... Math I, II, III, and IV.
local 2

United States

#5 Jul 12, 2013
Then the need better ones
Pug Lady

Atlanta, GA

#6 Jul 13, 2013
local 2 wrote:
Then the need better ones
Local 2
It looks like you need a language arts class
observer

Grayson, GA

#7 Jul 13, 2013
GloomandDoom wrote:
Did anyone see the article in the AJC this morning about the EOTC test scores for the 9th grade coordinate algebra class? If so, you should be as angry as I am!!! Only 28.8% of students passed the EOTC!!! WE HAVE SCORES LOWER THAN STATE AVERAGE!! We only beat Clayton county! As a teacher in this county, I am appalled!! I am outraged!! I have been an advocate for years of retaining students that do not meet standards, only to be thwarted by administration and county office. I have complained to the county office about the past curriculum (Discovery Math) that students do not learn math that way, complained about the spiraling math program that was in existence until this "new" (old) system came into being, and that there are no math texts in the county that even begin to cover our standards. Maybe now that the county has hit rock bottom in math scores somebody will listen. Please, please parents, get angry!! Go to board meetings! Make yourself heard about the disservice our county education board is doing to OUR children.
Math is the foundation of higher learning. Our children need this and are not learning all because the county wishes to play around with the curriculum and just let students pass without being proficient in the standards. If a child can't mulitply, add or subtract integers, and solve basic algebraic equations, then they should be held back!!!
Many
- It's End of COURSE Test (EOCT).
- I agree that there is ample room for improving education in this county.
- I disagree that you are currently part of the solution. Why?

Can you answer these 5 questions with a 'yes'?
1 - Are you registered to vote?
2 - Do you know where your voting precinct is?
3 - Can you name your school board member?(and please - spare me your googling it and looking it up to post it in a reply)
4 - Do you know when the next school board election is?
5 - If your school board member had an opponent in the next election, would you support them with money, or by volunteering your time to help them win that election?

Beyond the shadow of a doubt - your honest answer to at LEAST 3 of those questions was 'no'.

So, congratulations - your voice means squat.

Does that make you angry? It should.

Your cause is just. There's plenty of room to improve education in this county.

Go make a difference - not just noise.
GloomandDoom

Villa Rica, GA

#8 Jul 13, 2013
observer wrote:
<quoted text>
- It's End of COURSE Test (EOCT).
- I agree that there is ample room for improving education in this county.
- I disagree that you are currently part of the solution. Why?
Can you answer these 5 questions with a 'yes'?
1 - Are you registered to vote?
2 - Do you know where your voting precinct is?
3 - Can you name your school board member?(and please - spare me your googling it and looking it up to post it in a reply)
4 - Do you know when the next school board election is?
5 - If your school board member had an opponent in the next election, would you support them with money, or by volunteering your time to help them win that election?
Beyond the shadow of a doubt - your honest answer to at LEAST 3 of those questions was 'no'.
So, congratulations - your voice means squat.
Does that make you angry? It should.
Your cause is just. There's plenty of room to improve education in this county.
Go make a difference - not just noise.
Actually I answered 4 of your questions with a yes. The last with a no, basically because I like Jeff Morris. Actually, since you lambasted me with the idea that I'm all talk and no action; that I'm illiterate, and don't vote, you'll get the long answer from me. I've actually been to the school board meetings in the past when no one else save just a half dozen people (if that) came to watch, listen, and then I've participated in the very few meetings where the board wanted public feedback, I showed up and said my opinion. All of this as an employee of the school system with the idea that what I have to say might just come back and haunt me.

Yes, the board needs to spend money efficiently, but as a teacher who has taught math in the county, I can assure you that it isn't all the board's problem. Much of it stems from lack of motivation on the part of students and parents. I've seen from experience the dismal lack of desire to learn, or the desire to do the work to learn from many of my students. I've contacted parents and discussed this apathy with the student's parents all to hear, well, I didn't like math either. So What!!!! Absolutely, no support from parents of most of the students. I even had one student who in 8th grade had trouble with division and multiplication (she was a cheerleader and mom was a big supporter of the school.) I suggested tutoring, I was in every morning and late in the afternoons willing to help, this child and others just didn't show up. Her mother was upset her daughter didn't earn the grade (of course she thinks it was the grade I gave her) to cheer at the next game, so since then she has refused to speak to me. Go figure. No skin off my back. But it is that kind of "my child can do no wrong, or never needs help" attitude that is causing the degradation of our nation's future.

The last few years, the ability to do any basic math skills has gone way down. So what's the reason? I really think it comes from many aspects. First, but not foremost, is the lack of consistency of curriculum (we've had three changes to curriculum in the last 10 years so one student in their 12 years of school has seen these changes). What was wrong with the "old" way?? Secondly,(and I believe the most important) is that students are not held accountable for their learning. Students refuse to do the work needed to learn the material. Thirdly, the curriculum is too stacked with stuff for a student to learn in a very short amount of time, the pacing guide for math is too fast. There is no time for practice and for the information to "gel" in a student's mind. It seems the students have to learn a new topic daily and there is no time in class to practice this. So, students are supposed to go home and practice, do homework, and get that information in their head. Fourthly, that doesn't happen. There are sports to be involved in, video games to play, and no parent to put their foot down on learning.

Just my two cents worth...
GloomandDoom

Villa Rica, GA

#9 Jul 13, 2013
Let me add a fifth reason, administration and the county office, is very against retaining any student for any reason. I've seen students who really need the extra year to get the material and become more mature, sent on to the next grade without the background skills needed to do the work. I've had principals and assistant principals tell me that it isn't worth the paperwork and they'll be caught in the next grade with the CRCT. Really?? So who are we helping? Not the student!! I am all for retaining students at a very early grade who need the extra time. By the time they've reached middle school or high school it's too late. Some students are so very far behind it is extremely hard for them to get on level.
observer

Norcross, GA

#10 Jul 13, 2013
GloomandDoom wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually I answered 4 of your questions with a yes. The last with a no, basically because I like Jeff Morris. Actually, since you lambasted me with the idea that I'm all talk and no action; that I'm illiterate, and don't vote, you'll get the long answer from me. I've actually been to the school board meetings in the past when no one else save just a half dozen people (if that) came to watch, listen, and then I've participated in the very few meetings where the board wanted public feedback, I showed up and said my opinion. All of this as an employee of the school system with the idea that what I have to say might just come back and haunt me.
Yes, the board needs to spend money efficiently, but as a teacher who has taught math in the county, I can assure you that it isn't all the board's problem. Much of it stems from lack of motivation on the part of students and parents. I've seen from experience the dismal lack of desire to learn, or the desire to do the work to learn from many of my students. I've contacted parents and discussed this apathy with the student's parents all to hear, well, I didn't like math either. So What!!!! Absolutely, no support from parents of most of the students. I even had one student who in 8th grade had trouble with division and multiplication (she was a cheerleader and mom was a big supporter of the school.) I suggested tutoring, I was in every morning and late in the afternoons willing to help, this child and others just didn't show up. Her mother was upset her daughter didn't earn the grade (of course she thinks it was the grade I gave her) to cheer at the next game, so since then she has refused to speak to me. Go figure. No skin off my back. But it is that kind of "my child can do no wrong, or never needs help" attitude that is causing the degradation of our nation's future.
The last few years, the ability to do any basic math skills has gone way down. So what's the reason? I really think it comes from many aspects. First, but not foremost, is the lack of consistency of curriculum (we've had three changes to curriculum in the last 10 years so one student in their 12 years of school has seen these changes). What was wrong with the "old" way?? Secondly,(and I believe the most important) is that students are not held accountable for their learning. Students refuse to do the work needed to learn the material. Thirdly, the curriculum is too stacked with stuff for a student to learn in a very short amount of time, the pacing guide for math is too fast. There is no time for practice and for the information to "gel" in a student's mind. It seems the students have to learn a new topic daily and there is no time in class to practice this. So, students are supposed to go home and practice, do homework, and get that information in their head. Fourthly, that doesn't happen. There are sports to be involved in, video games to play, and no parent to put their foot down on learning.
Just my two cents worth...
Rock on. Glad that you're more informed that initial appearances would indicate, EOTC.

No disagreement from me on all of the above, with one possible exception. This superintendent needs to go. If Morris disagrees, I'll actively work to see him defeated next year. And I want to see his statement public and on the record - not some weasel, political non-committal on the side.
GloomandDoom

Villa Rica, GA

#11 Jul 13, 2013
Yes, I noticed my error. EOTC! What can I say, at least I don't teach Language Arts! Ha!

I'm not sure, there will be a difference if the superintendent goes. What type of person would fill his shoes? Who would you advocate for filling this position? Where would you find this person?

The state determines curriculum, not the local board or superintendent. The "me" generation today needs instant gratification, and education doesn't fall into that ideal for them. Education (learning) is a lifelong endeavor. I really feel no matter whose in charge of the school systems, the problems won't go away. There has to be a paradigm shift in the attitude and motivation of today's generation.
Callie

Douglasville, GA

#12 Jul 16, 2013
Why does the superintendent need to go? I don't know him personally but he seems to run the ship as well as anyone.
observer wrote:
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Rock on. Glad that you're more informed that initial appearances would indicate, EOTC.
No disagreement from me on all of the above, with one possible exception. This superintendent needs to go. If Morris disagrees, I'll actively work to see him defeated next year. And I want to see his statement public and on the record - not some weasel, political non-committal on the side.

“Yet another average white man.”

Since: Jun 11

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#13 Jul 16, 2013
Another reason for this is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to admit. Like it or not, importing wave after wave of poor performing students into the county over the last decade has caused an obvious dip in performance. Look how it has affected the schools in a sequence that can be plotted out on a map right up to the redistricting.

Once again that was implemented to spread the problem around so the peaks and dips would not be so obvious. Sort of like when they started mass busing in the 60s and 70s. The theory back then was that if you FORCE white kids into black schools and black kids into white schools, the black kids would improve by the sheer magic of proximity.

Of course we can't talk about this openly because the risk of hurting someone's feelings is far more important than watching schools and grades sink into mediocrity. And of course it's pure racism to suggest that the lowest performing students are Black. Admitting that will ruin us all it seems.

Why would any REAL teacher want to work in a system that's built on lies and altered reality? All of it driven by leftist and race-based politics. The real shame is how the black students who do perform well are treated by their peers. Wake up teachers and parents.
Grobbbbbbbbb

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#14 Jul 16, 2013
Grob Hahn wrote:
And of course it's pure racism to suggest that the lowest performing students are Black. Admitting that will ruin us all it seems.
It's not racism to suggest that the lowest performing students are black *if they are black*.

It is racism to say they're the lowest performing students *because* they're black (and I'm not suggesting that's what you're doing.)

That's not to say I have the answers but I suspect poverty levels play into it more than melatonin

“Yet another average white man.”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#15 Jul 16, 2013
FFFinger wrote:
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It's not racism to suggest that the lowest performing students are black *if they are black*.
It is racism to say they're the lowest performing students *because* they're black (and I'm not suggesting that's what you're doing.)
That's not to say I have the answers but I suspect poverty levels play into it more than melatonin

Oh I don't think it's a color thing, there are too many examples of very intelligent black Americans. It's a cultural matter steeped in the racial hatred of white people to the point that being educated is lamented as "acting white". Talking in plain English is lamented as "talking white".

Sure, I have seen examples of this kind of degradation and simple thinking in some white people. A good many around here are dumb as a bag of hammers and seem proud of it. But the bulk of the black people who have been forced onto this county to the point of a major demographic shift (this county carried Obama in the last election) have only helped the schools fall further.
Grobbbbbbbbbbb
another citizen

Douglasville, GA

#16 Jul 23, 2013
Last night the super asked the school board to approve him teaching as a college professor. I guess his salary just isn't enough. As far as math scores go, there is enough blame to go around-but I would take a minute and consider the abysmal scores of students with disabilities. The scores of special ed students really bring down the already low average.
GloomandDoom

Villa Rica, GA

#17 Jul 23, 2013
I guess being a superintendent of a sleepy county in west Georgia doesn't keep him busy enough. I don't have time to have a second job, but yet my boss does? Doesn't seem right.
Let Olympus Burn

Macon, GA

#18 Jul 23, 2013
There was an article in Sunday's AJC pointing out that $4 million in federal grants have been mismanaged at Lithia Springs High School in a failed attempt to raise test scores. The superintendent's #2 in command hatchet lady was directly responsible for applying for the funds. She has since moved on to Virginia. Easier to change locations than to accept responsibility, you see. That means that the responsibility for this poorly-implemented, criminal waste of tax dollars rests entirely with Pritz and his inner circle.

I suggest that the school board relieve him of his duties and allow him to move on to teaching college full time. Perhaps his complete incompetence can be better masked there.
Heck yeah

Douglasville, GA

#19 Oct 11, 2013
New writing test scores - and everything remains about the same. Also the new SAT scores-and everything remains about the same. Change is slow, people.
bob

Douglasville, GA

#20 Oct 14, 2013
What ever happened to good old rithmatic. I learned math on my fingers , back then caculators were on star trek. these kids font need caculus they just need to no how to ad a d subtract. throw away the caculators and bring back pincils paper and fingers. The good lord gave us tin of them for some reason.

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