Smelltit Dealtit

Douglasville, GA

#48 Sep 26, 2013
DvillCit wrote:
http://www.neighbornewspapers. com/view/full_story/23576875/a rticle-Smith-challenging-Yocke y-for-Douglasville-council-sea t?instance=douglas
Just read about this young man who not very long ago worked for the police department. If anyone should know about issues facing the department it might be him.....
With the financial difficulties he has had, I don't know that I would be comfortable with him serving as a steward of our tax dollars.
DvillCit

United States

#49 Sep 26, 2013
Smelltit Dealtit wrote:
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With the financial difficulties he has had, I don't know that I would be comfortable with him serving as a steward of our tax dollars.
I don't feel too cozy with any politicians being a steward of my tax dollars!!
Carpa

Duluth, GA

#50 Sep 26, 2013
Smelltit Dealtit wrote:
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With the financial difficulties he has had, I don't know that I would be comfortable with him serving as a steward of our tax dollars.
I don't think that should be a reflection of him. He had a divorce. How do you know it didn't have something to do with that? His affairs all seem to be in order as of late. He used to be a banker before a cop, I believe, so he has a good background in managing money, in knowing how. He was probably severely underpaid while at DPD. Many of our officers struggle financially. They're grossly underpaid. There's a difference in not knowing how to manage money and knowing how but not being able to because you don't have enough. I believe he does know how, but probably like many of us fell on hard times.
Connoisseur

Atlanta, GA

#51 Sep 26, 2013
Carpa wrote:
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I don't think that should be a reflection of him. He had a divorce. How do you know it didn't have something to do with that? His affairs all seem to be in order as of late. He used to be a banker before a cop, I believe, so he has a good background in managing money, in knowing how. He was probably severely underpaid while at DPD. Many of our officers struggle financially. They're grossly underpaid. There's a difference in not knowing how to manage money and knowing how but not being able to because you don't have enough. I believe he does know how, but probably like many of us fell on hard times.
You sure seem to know the intimate details of his life.
Where does he go to church?
DvillCit

United States

#52 Sep 26, 2013
Carpa wrote:
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He was probably severely underpaid while at . Many of our officers struggle financially. They're grossly underpaid. There's a difference in not knowing how to manage money and knowing how but not being able to because you don't have enough. I believe he does know how, but probably like many of us fell on hard times.
Really that bad at DVPD? I know of several officers there that have fairly big families and seems okay. That must not be their only gig.
Getinformed

Phenix City, AL

#54 Sep 26, 2013
I don't live in the City limits, and don't know any of the guys running for office but I still plan on going to the events and meeting with them to see what they're about. Most of them will be at September Saturdays this weekend and appear to be going other events in the next few weeks.

Don't rely on gossip or peoples past but hear what they have to say and see what kind of person they truly are. It appears that all of them have some type of past good or bad. I challenge everyone to look at their websites, Facebook pages, email them, call them and visit with them. Then you can make a true statement about that person. It's time to get informed and get people in there to work for us and not what ever agenda that benefits them.

I am new to this community and the gossip is out of control and wonder how any of them have ever got anything done around here with all the BS. We wonder why we are on the news every week. Get informed people!
Carla

United States

#55 Sep 27, 2013
DvillCit wrote:
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Really that bad at DVPD? I know of several officers there that have fairly big families and seems okay. That must not be their only gig.
People don't tend to openly advertise that they're struggling. You can't base it on what you think or the fact that they have lots of kids, look at the families before our generation. Most of us, or at least our parents and grandparents, came from huge families and it was certainly no indication of money. I'm sure the officers pulling high rank aren't struggling, but that's so few compared to the number of regular officers. They make very little. They haven't had a pay increase in years and years except twice, however one of those times the increase in insurance was the same amount as the raise so that was pointless and the second time it was barely 1% by Mayor Persons who promised 7%+. Their insurance is sky high. Many of them work extra jobs off duty and end up working every day of the week just to make ends meet and still come up short. There's not enough overtime to go around. Granted there will be some whose spouses have good jobs or their family has money. You're going to have that but I guarantee you the average officer there is struggling. Which makes an already stressful job even more so. It's a sad situation and the mayor and city council couldn't care less. Giving themselves a big fat raise while these men and women struggle. The Mayor makes more than they do and he's part time and 2 years in. It shouldn't be that way. They're definitely at the bottom of his priority list.
Whatever

Douglasville, GA

#56 Sep 27, 2013
What ever happened to "live within your means"?

I bet garbage men don't get paid as much as the police and I don't see them on here crying about higher pay. I bet the vehicle maintenance guys don't get paid as much as police, I bet the parking enforcement guys don't either.

If you make X amount of money, adjust to living within those means.

Have cable? Do you really need that?
Do you really need to buy a new car?
Do you really need to eat out every week or several times a week?
Do you really need to dip?
Do you really need to drink that beer?
Do you really need a personal phone atop of your work issued phone?
Do you really need to shop at publix when you can shop at Walmart and aldi?
Do you really need Buckle jeans or can you get by with old navy or walmart jeans.

The problem is this "me,me,me" mentality.

These officers (well, some) have take home cars for which they get city gasoline. My Employer doesn't give me that.
Some of them have iPhone 5's issued by the city at no expense to the officer. My employer doesn't provide me with one.
The city provides haircuts and dry cleaning for its employees. My employer doesn't do that.
The city provides them with a pro-built gym that can be used at anytime (even while on duty) at no expense to the officers or their family.

If you got into law enforcement to become rich, you fooled yourself. If you want to make "real" money, go to school and make a career change.

Count your blessings and be happy with what The Lord has provided to you.
well

Bremen, GA

#57 Sep 27, 2013
Whatever wrote:
What ever happened to "live within your means"?

I bet garbage men don't get paid as much as the police and I don't see them on here crying about higher pay. I bet the vehicle maintenance guys don't get paid as much as police, I bet the parking enforcement guys don't either.

If you make X amount of money, adjust to living within those means.

Have cable? Do you really need that?
Do you really need to buy a new car?
Do you really need to eat out every week or several times a week?
Do you really need to dip?
Do you really need to drink that beer?
Do you really need a personal phone atop of your work issued phone?
Do you really need to shop at publix when you can shop at Walmart and aldi?
Do you really need Buckle jeans or can you get by with old navy or walmart jeans.

The problem is this "me,me,me" mentality.

These officers (well, some) have take home cars for which they get city gasoline. My Employer doesn't give me that.
Some of them have iPhone 5's issued by the city at no expense to the officer. My employer doesn't provide me with one.
The city provides haircuts and dry cleaning for its employees. My employer doesn't do that.
The city provides them with a pro-built gym that can be used at anytime (even while on duty) at no expense to the officers or their family.

If you got into law enforcement to become rich, you fooled yourself. If you want to make "real" money, go to school and make a career change.

Count your blessings and be happy with what The Lord has provided to you.
People don't actively try to kill garbage men. The vehicle maintenance guys don't get shot at, spit on, pissed on, and whatever else.
Whatever

Douglasville, GA

#58 Sep 27, 2013
You know that when you sign up.

When you agree to take a police job and sign the application and a conditional job offer and then begin work, you agree to the pay and the hazards. Garbage men have there fair share of hazards to deal with as well. Oncoming traffic, airborne and blood born pathogens, dirty diapers, whatever, again they're not here crying about pay.

Why all the crying now? If you don't like the pay and don't like the hazards, change career paths.
Whatever

Douglasville, GA

#59 Sep 27, 2013
Whatever wrote:
You know that when you sign up.
When you agree to take a police job and sign the application and a conditional job offer and then begin work, you agree to the pay and the hazards. Garbage men have there fair share of hazards to deal with as well. Oncoming traffic, airborne and blood born pathogens, dirty diapers, whatever, again they're not here crying about pay.
Why all the crying now? If you don't like the pay and don't like the hazards, change career paths.
-their-
Carla

Duluth, GA

#60 Sep 28, 2013
Whatever wrote:
What ever happened to "live within your means"?
I bet garbage men don't get paid as much as the police and I don't see them on here crying about higher pay. I bet the vehicle maintenance guys don't get paid as much as police, I bet the parking enforcement guys don't either.
If you make X amount of money, adjust to living within those means.
Have cable? Do you really need that?
Do you really need to buy a new car?
Do you really need to eat out every week or several times a week?
Do you really need to dip?
Do you really need to drink that beer?
Do you really need a personal phone atop of your work issued phone?
Do you really need to shop at publix when you can shop at Walmart and aldi?
Do you really need Buckle jeans or can you get by with old navy or walmart jeans.
The problem is this "me,me,me" mentality.
These officers (well, some) have take home cars for which they get city gasoline. My Employer doesn't give me that.
Some of them have iPhone 5's issued by the city at no expense to the officer. My employer doesn't provide me with one.
The city provides haircuts and dry cleaning for its employees. My employer doesn't do that.
The city provides them with a pro-built gym that can be used at anytime (even while on duty) at no expense to the officers or their family.
If you got into law enforcement to become rich, you fooled yourself. If you want to make "real" money, go to school and make a career change.
Count your blessings and be happy with what The Lord has provided to you.
Many of them have college degrees, including masters degrees. In fact ,there was an article in the paper not too awfully long ago stating the strict requirements to work at the Douglasville P.D. One was you must have a college degree or the equivalent credit hours unless you have 4 * I think could have been 5* years prior military or law enforcement. Garbage men aren't required to have that. Garbage men don't work every holiday, all night and all day, they don't risk their lives. I see you gave examples where you think that it shows every job had risk; true, but non like that of a police officer. You don't get a take home car or phone unless you are a supervisor or a specialized unit that is on call. Many of them are on call 24/7/365, thus they are issued phones. We could debate this a million different ways but your lack of appreciation for the job they do and the sacrifices they make so that you can be safe is evident.

Therefore, let's look at it more logically. When the council members and Mayor wanted to increase their own salaries; they compared their salary to surrounding cities the same size and population. Compare the salary of these officers to surrounding cities with similar call volume, crime rate and size and you will see they are severely underpaid and their benefits are crappy. Which makes it so enormously obvious that they do this job for me and you because they believe in it, and not for the pay. Doesn't mean they don't deserve better or at least what is standard in that profession. You couldn't pay them enough for what they do, in my humble opinion. No amount if money equates to risking your life every single time you suit up and go to work, but it should at least be competitive with other police departments. You said your employer doesn't offer free hair cuts and dry cleaning, well your employer doesn't ask that you take a bullet for a total stranger either.
Carla

Duluth, GA

#61 Sep 28, 2013
Whatever wrote:
You know that when you sign up.
When you agree to take a police job and sign the application and a conditional job offer and then begin work, you agree to the pay and the hazards. Garbage men have there fair share of hazards to deal with as well. Oncoming traffic, airborne and blood born pathogens, dirty diapers, whatever, again they're not here crying about pay.
Why all the crying now? If you don't like the pay and don't like the hazards, change career paths.
How, pray tell, are dirty diapers and germs in the same realm as bullets, knives, and maniacs? Not even close! Police officers deal with oncoming traffic too. Do you know how many officers are killed by cars on the side of the road? Do you care? My hypothesis is you don't. I'd even say you might be a criminal. They are usually the ones who have this bitter attitude and don't value our heroes in a high regard. Or maybe you wanted to be a cop and weren't good enough. Either way for every 1 of you there are 5 like me and my family who see them for what they are and why they deserve better.

So when you sign up for job you except your starting pay/base salary to never go up? You expect to never get even so much as a cost of living raise in 7+ years? You'd be okay with that? You'd be okay with the good benefits you had at your hire date changing for the worse and even, in some cases, being done away with? Well, if the answer to all those questions is yes, so be it. Take heed though, this is no ordinary job. It's not just the dangers they face but the things they have to see. Dead babies, abused kids and women, strung out druggies, etc. so let's not compare it to the ordinary jobs. No, other people in other professions aren't crying about their pay but they don't do and see what these honorable women and men do. They don't make that sacrifice and their live isn't at risk. Tell me how many birthday parties, anniversaries, dance recitals, holidays, and vacations you or your garbage man have missed because they were working? I know my garbage man doesn't miss any because I have to alter my pick up day around holidays and their vacation time.
Whatever

Douglasville, GA

#62 Sep 28, 2013
Carla wrote:
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You said your employer doesn't offer free hair cuts and dry cleaning, well your employer doesn't ask that you take a bullet for a total stranger either.
For real? Free haircuts and dry cleaning = 1 life?

You people are dumber than I thought.
Whatever

Douglasville, GA

#63 Sep 28, 2013
Carla wrote:
<quoted text>
How, pray tell, are dirty diapers and germs in the same realm as bullets, knives, and maniacs? Not even close! Police officers deal with oncoming traffic too. Do you know how many officers are killed by cars on the side of the road? Do you care? My hypothesis is you don't. I'd even say you might be a criminal. They are usually the ones who have this bitter attitude and don't value our heroes in a high regard. Or maybe you wanted to be a cop and weren't good enough. Either way for every 1 of you there are 5 like me and my family who see them for what they are and why they deserve better.
So when you sign up for job you except your starting pay/base salary to never go up? You expect to never get even so much as a cost of living raise in 7+ years? You'd be okay with that? You'd be okay with the good benefits you had at your hire date changing for the worse and even, in some cases, being done away with? Well, if the answer to all those questions is yes, so be it. Take heed though, this is no ordinary job. It's not just the dangers they face but the things they have to see. Dead babies, abused kids and women, strung out druggies, etc. so let's not compare it to the ordinary jobs. No, other people in other professions aren't crying about their pay but they don't do and see what these honorable women and men do. They don't make that sacrifice and their live isn't at risk. Tell me how many birthday parties, anniversaries, dance recitals, holidays, and vacations you or your garbage man have missed because they were working? I know my garbage man doesn't miss any because I have to alter my pick up day around holidays and their vacation time.
Well, mister/missy, you act like officers are killed daily by cars and shot and stabbed. Do you know the leading causes of police on duty death? Heart attacks and single car accidents. Yep, they do it to theirselves.

I don't want to be an officer and I'm not bitter. Officers do have a tough job, but it's what THEY want to do.

Honorable? You just laid a big blanket over all of them. How about those officers arrested for helping out drug dealers? We're they honorable?

For real? So, where did you get your stats on the 5 to 1 ratio? Are you saying that 20% of the population are against the police?

Here's a stat for you: http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm...

If less than 1% of the population is in prison or in the penal system, where does the other 20% come from? That's right, from officers always whining about pay and hazards. Please

I'm a salesman for an international company, I miss a lot of family functions. You get no sympathy from me.

If you're not getting raises maybe you should leave and go somewhere where you will get one. But why come on here and whine and cry over something that you can't change. Change what you have the power to change, your ace in life.

And every single thing you've pointed out here is known before taking the job. So again, why all the crying?
FACT

United States

#64 Sep 28, 2013
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, mister/missy, you act like officers are killed daily by cars and shot and stabbed. Do you know the leading causes of police on duty death? Heart attacks and single car accidents. Yep, they do it to theirselves.
Well you should probably check your facts before running your mouth. You're wrong. Malicious gunfire is the #1 cause of law enforcement deaths! www.odmp.org is a website for fallen officers. They officially keep up with every single law enforcement death. Here are the statistics. You're welcome to verify them for yourself by visiting the website, but just in case you don't bother to do so, I'll break it down for you. You can check these stats very easily to see they are accurate.

2013 (so far) leading cause of death: Gunfire (25) followed by auto accident (19) and heart attack (10)

2012 leading cause of death : Gunfire (47) followed by auto accident (21) and heart attack (6)

2011 leading cause of death: Gunfire (67) followed by auto accident (37) and heart attack (12)

2010 leading cause of death: Gunfire (59) followed by auto accident (44) and heart attack (19)

2009 leading cause of death: Gunfire (47) followed by auto accident (34) and heart attack (10)

I could keep going back year after year but I'll stop there. The years further back show the same grim statistics.

Accidental gunfire has it's own separate category each year and appears to range from a small 2-5 deaths, but again those are not included in the gunfire category. Those are all malicious by a suspect. Of course other causes of death listed are vehicular assault, stabbings, bomb, assault, drowning, etc. If my research is correct a police officer dies every 53 hours on average, sometimes more.

http://www.odmp.org/search/year...
FACT

United States

#65 Sep 28, 2013
FYI I went all the back to 1969, viewing every year, before I stopped and every, single year the leading cause of death was intentional gunfire. Murder.
well

Bremen, GA

#67 Sep 28, 2013
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>Well, mister/missy, you act like officers are killed daily by cars and shot and stabbed. Do you know the leading causes of police on duty death? Heart attacks and single car accidents. Yep, they do it to theirselves.

I don't want to be an officer and I'm not bitter. Officers do have a tough job, but it's what THEY want to do.

Honorable? You just laid a big blanket over all of them. How about those officers arrested for helping out drug dealers? We're they honorable?

For real? So, where did you get your stats on the 5 to 1 ratio? Are you saying that 20% of the population are against the police?

Here's a stat for you: http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm...

If less than 1% of the population is in prison or in the penal system, where does the other 20% come from? That's right, from officers always whining about pay and hazards. Please

I'm a salesman for an international company, I miss a lot of family functions. You get no sympathy from me.

If you're not getting raises maybe you should leave and go somewhere where you will get one. But why come on here and whine and cry over something that you can't change. Change what you have the power to change, your ace in life.

And every single thing you've pointed out here is known before taking the job. So again, why all the crying?
So you're a "salesman". Let me ask you this...if you sell more than the other guys. You work harder than them. You make the contacts, the sales, maintain the contracts, etc. Do you make the exact same amount of money year after year as the guy who doesn't do half the work or make half the sales? How about the guy who practically does nothing at all? Do you get bonuses? Do you get raises?

Because those guys don't. And haven't. And they all make the same thing unless they get promoted to a very select few higher ranking positions.

Their retirement is awful. It's not sustainable.

SO-add in the fact that they get shot at and all that other crap. Yeah they "signed up for that" but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be fairly compensated
Vernon

United States

#68 Sep 30, 2013
Is it true there was a GBI investigation?
The Real Deal

Atlanta, GA

#69 Oct 1, 2013
Lets fix it wrote:
He's done a great job of running this department... straight to the ground. He's done a great job of getting drunk and...never mind, I can't argue with you because you're arguing from a standpoint of ignorance. You don't know what you're talking about and have no basis for your argument so all you're gonna do is repeat that he's a good guy in as many different ways as possible.
You and very few others think he's a good man. I hope he runs, too. He will his butt handed to him.
Myself and many others would love for Womack to run for sheriff just so we could oppose him he has made hundreds of enemies with his ridiculous behavior and poor leadership ability. He barely escaped his steroid investigation from the GBI only because he sent his supplier to prison. His post on facebook with his shirt off was hilarious but that's par for the course for him. Time for chang.

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