The Errors of Protesantism

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Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#1 Jun 29, 2013
The Protestant Personal Opinion Error:

Why are there now at least 39,000 different Protestant sects in the world today? The answer to that question can be found in Holy Scripture:

"You shall not do as we are now doing; here, everyone does what seems right to himself..."
Deuteronomy 12:8, a verse ignored by Protestants since they do these things.

"In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what he thought best."
Judges 17:6, 21:25, verses accepted by Protestants.

"Understanding this first: That no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Spirit."
2Peter 1:20-21, ignored by Protestants.

"They came and said to him,“Teacher, we know that you are a truthful man and that you are not concerned with anyone's opinion. You do not regard a person’s status but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth..."
Matthew 22:16, Mark 12:14, ignored by Protestants.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#2 Jun 29, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
The Protestant Personal Opinion Error:

Why are there now at least 39,000 different Protestant sects in the world today? The answer to that question can be found in Holy Scripture:

"You shall not do as we are now doing; here, everyone does what seems right to himself..."
Deuteronomy 12:8, a verse ignored by Protestants since they do these things.

"In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what he thought best."
Judges 17:6, 21:25, verses accepted by Protestants.

"Understanding this first: That no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Spirit."
2Peter 1:20-21, ignored by Protestants.

"They came and said to him,“Teacher, we know that you are a truthful man and that you are not concerned with anyone's opinion. You do not regard a person’s status but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth..."
Matthew 22:16, Mark 12:14, ignored by Protestants.
Amen to those passages.

I just heard today that 7 out of 10 Catholics accept homosexual marriage.

This was from a Catholic radio station.

www.roysecitycoc.org
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#3 Jun 29, 2013
Protestant and Catholic need to revisit the faith of Jesus Christ and see if they are doing as Moses and Peter warned in Acts 3:22,23.

And the word of God does divide and reveal the heart and soul as people discern what God has declared. His word is VERY revealing. Likely most of the divisions result from the hearts of those who accept some things and not others...
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#4 Jun 29, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Protestant and Catholic need to revisit the faith of Jesus Christ and see if they are doing as Moses and Peter warned in Acts 3:22,23.
And the word of God does divide and reveal the heart and soul as people discern what God has declared. His word is VERY revealing. Likely most of the divisions result from the hearts of those who accept some things and not others...
AMEN. Heart problems.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#5 Jun 29, 2013
Mike P- "You shall not do as we are now doing; here, everyone does what seems right to himself..." Deuteronomy 12:8, a verse ignored by Protestants since they do these things.

Dave- nice non use of context Mike. Israel getting ready to enter promised land; told that they were to follow exactly directions God had just given. Nice twist of scriptures to show what you think "prots" do.

Mike- "In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what he thought best." Judges 17:6, 21:25, verses accepted by Protestants.

Dave- isn't this about the man who cut up his concubine after she was ravaged to death? Nothing to do with our current state of affairs here on this issue.

Mike- "Understanding this first: That no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Spirit." 2Peter 1:20-21, ignored by Protestants.

Dave- Misapplied and twisted by Catholicism.

Mike- "They came and said to him,“Teacher, we know that you are a truthful man and that you are not concerned with anyone's opinion. You do not regard a person’s status but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth..." Matthew 22:16, Mark 12:14, ignored by Protestants.

Dave- Luke 10:26; Ephesians 3:4; countless others-ignored and disregarded by Catholicism.

Since: Jun 11

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#6 Jun 29, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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Amen to those passages.
I just heard today that 7 out of 10 Catholics accept homosexual marriage.
This was from a Catholic radio station.
www.roysecitycoc.org
And this poll was done by which legitimate polling organization?
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#7 Jun 29, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Mike P- "You shall not do as we are now doing; here, everyone does what seems right to himself..." Deuteronomy 12:8, a verse ignored by Protestants since they do these things.
Dave- nice non use of context Mike. Israel getting ready to enter promised land; told that they were to follow exactly directions God had just given. Nice twist of scriptures to show what you think "prots" do.
Mike- "In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what he thought best." Judges 17:6, 21:25, verses accepted by Protestants.
Dave- isn't this about the man who cut up his concubine after she was ravaged to death? Nothing to do with our current state of affairs here on this issue.
Mike- "Understanding this first: That no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Spirit." 2Peter 1:20-21, ignored by Protestants.
Dave- Misapplied and twisted by Catholicism.
Mike- "They came and said to him,“Teacher, we know that you are a truthful man and that you are not concerned with anyone's opinion. You do not regard a person’s status but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth..." Matthew 22:16, Mark 12:14, ignored by Protestants.
Dave- Luke 10:26; Ephesians 3:4; countless others-ignored and disregarded by Catholicism.
This response is a clear example of the error. That is your personal opinion. It is no better than the millions of other personal opinions.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#8 Jun 29, 2013
Also no different from your personal opinion nor the personal opinion of those uninspired men who steered the world into catholicism.

It's easy to be an Elmer Gantry, stand up and proclaim what you say is truth and tell everyone else their opinion isn't relevant. Unfortunately Elmer, your statements are also nothing more than an irrelevant opinion compared to God and His unchanging word. And when your groups' opinion flatly contradicts what His word says, it is nothing less than error as well.

Should we do a thread on "The Errors of Catholicism"? There is ample evidence for that as well, as has been shown here.

PS- those scriptures that contradict your verses or shed light on your position are not opinions, they are God's words. Tell Him again how His opinion doesn't matter- your group has been doing so for 1700 years.

Since: Jun 11

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#9 Jun 29, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Also no different from your personal opinion nor the personal opinion of those uninspired men who steered the world into catholicism.
It's easy to be an Elmer Gantry, stand up and proclaim what you say is truth and tell everyone else their opinion isn't relevant. Unfortunately Elmer, your statements are also nothing more than an irrelevant opinion compared to God and His unchanging word. And when your groups' opinion flatly contradicts what His word says, it is nothing less than error as well.
Should we do a thread on "The Errors of Catholicism"? There is ample evidence for that as well, as has been shown here.
PS- those scriptures that contradict your verses or shed light on your position are not opinions, they are God's words. Tell Him again how His opinion doesn't matter- your group has been doing so for 1700 years.
And how long has YOUR little group been doing it? I don't believe you ever did tell us who told you Tobit wasn't inspired.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#10 Jun 29, 2013
http://www.bible.ca/catholic-apocrypha.htm The writer of Maccabees seems to reject himself any idea of his own inspiration. Antiochus Epiphanaes was quoted as dying in three different ways. Magical enchantments. No prophet in Israel during the silent years. Jews didn't consider it scripture. Josephus didn't consider it scripture. Jerome didn't consider it scripture. Reading it, it's not scripture, because it contradicts the Bible.

Length of time means nothing either.
MarkEden wrote:
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And how long has YOUR little group been doing it? I don't believe you ever did tell us who told you Tobit wasn't inspired.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#11 Jun 29, 2013
Dave P wrote:
http://www.bible.ca/catholic-a pocrypha.htm The writer of Maccabees seems to reject himself any idea of his own inspiration. Antiochus Epiphanaes was quoted as dying in three different ways. Magical enchantments. No prophet in Israel during the silent years. Jews didn't consider it scripture. Josephus didn't consider it scripture. Jerome didn't consider it scripture. Reading it, it's not scripture, because it contradicts the Bible.
Length of time means nothing either.
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The apostles refer to those books. The Jews took those books out in AD 90..

During the first century, the Jews disagreed as to what constituted the canon of Scripture. In fact, there were a large number of different canons in use, including the growing canon used by Christians. In order to combat the spreading Christian cult, rabbis met at the city of Jamnia or Javneh in A.D. 90 to determine which books were truly the Word of God. They pronounced many books, including the Gospels, to be unfit as scriptures. This canon also excluded seven books (Baruch, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, and the Wisdom of Solomon, plus portions of Esther and Daniel) that Christians considered part of the Old Testament.

The group of Jews which met at Javneh became the dominant group for later Jewish history, and today most Jews accept the canon of Javneh. However, some Jews, such as those from Ethiopia, follow a different canon which is identical to the Catholic Old Testament and includes the seven deuterocanonical books (cf. Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 6, p. 1147).

Needless to say, the Church disregarded the results of Javneh. First, a Jewish council after the time of Christ is not binding on the followers of Christ. Second, Javneh rejected precisely those documents which are foundational for the Christian Church—the Gospels and the other documents of the New Testament. Third, by rejecting the deuterocanonicals, Javneh rejected books which had been used by Jesus and the apostles and which were in the edition of the Bible that the apostles used in everyday life—the Septuagint.

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#12 Jun 29, 2013
Dave P wrote:
http://www.bible.ca/catholic-a pocrypha.htm The writer of Maccabees seems to reject himself any idea of his own inspiration. Antiochus Epiphanaes was quoted as dying in three different ways. Magical enchantments. No prophet in Israel during the silent years. Jews didn't consider it scripture. Josephus didn't consider it scripture. Jerome didn't consider it scripture. Reading it, it's not scripture, because it contradicts the Bible.
Length of time means nothing either.
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So why was it included in the original KJV and still is in some editions? And if Jerome is right on this is he right on everything else? And if the Ecumenical Councils which decided on the Canon were wrong can we trust any of their decisions? And do Jews consider the New Testament scripture? Of course you would say length of time means nothing to you since you have no history. The only contradiction to the Bible I see is Protestantism now approaching 40,000 denominations with each one ignoring the witness of the centuries.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#13 Jun 29, 2013
The "Holy Spirit Told Me" Error:

There are three "Spirits" from whom we may receive prompting. They are:
1. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth. 1John 4:6
2. The human spirit within each one of us. 1Thessalonians 5:23, Hebrews 4:12
3. The evil or Demonic spirit which comes from Satan, the spirit of error. 1John 4:6

John 16:13, "When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come."
There are hundreds of millions of Protestants, all interpreting Scripture individually by mere personal opinion, and with all of them claiming "The Holy Spirit Told Me".
How can this possibly be, when every doctrine taught by one sect is denied by another, except for the existence of GOD? One claims the "spirit" told them to worship on Saturday, another makes the same claim except they were told Sunday. One says the "spirit" told them not to baptize infants. Yet another makes the same claim from the "spirit", but insists they were told just the opposite, they must baptize infants.
One claims they were "told" to have communion once a week, yet another was "told" once a month, and yet a third was "told" quarterly. You can readily see that I could go on and on down through the whole list of beliefs and find one which teaches one way and another to the contrary.
Since GOD is one, with only one truth and with only one Holy Spirit, how could that one Spirit of truth be prompting those who have contradicting viewpoints? Again, we look to Holy Scripture for the answer.
"And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey him." Acts 5:32. See Acts 15:8 also.
Aha, so the Holy Spirit is given only to those who obey GOD. And who are they? In what I have shown so far, how can any of those sects with opposing viewpoints, be in obedience to the one truth of GOD?
Was Martin Luther in obedience to his superiors (Hebrews 13:17) when he started the Protestant revolt all the while blaspheming his superiors at the same time?
Just who do you suppose is creating all of this confusion between the Protestant sects?
The answer is that the Holy Spirit cannot, and will not, for GOD cannot deceive us, Isaiah 53:9, Hebrews 6:18, 1Peter 2:22, and He certainly cannot contradict Himself, 2Timothy 2:13.
Since truth is one, GOD cannot lie, Titus 1:2. There cannot be opposing viewpoints with each claiming to be of the truth. Common sense tells us that in at least half of the opposing viewpoints the truth has to be compromised.
So now, just who is the liar and the Father of Lies? See John 8:44 for the answer.
1Corinthians 14:33, "For God is not the author of confusion..."
If GOD is not the author of confusion, then who is?
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#14 Jun 29, 2013
The apostles refer to those books.

*Seen that line before. The quotes usually given to say the apostles quoted those books have been found to have been quotes from actual inspired OT books, not the catholic add-ons.

Just read those books. Utterly unscriptural, contradictory, and uninspired according to at least one author of said books. Not scriptural at all.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#15 Jun 29, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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So why was it included in the original KJV and still is in some editions? And if Jerome is right on this is he right on everything else? And if the Ecumenical Councils which decided on the Canon were wrong can we trust any of their decisions? And do Jews consider the New Testament scripture? Of course you would say length of time means nothing to you since you have no history. The only contradiction to the Bible I see is Protestantism now approaching 40,000 denominations with each one ignoring the witness of the centuries.
*Ask whoever put the original KJV together. I ain't that old.
*Jerome isn't right on everything. Neither is anyone else.
*Can we trust any of the councils decisions? Doubt it-I don't trust them at all.
*Of course they don't. They're Jews.
*Witness of the centuries says catholicism is the oldest apostacy.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#16 Jun 29, 2013
If GOD is not the author of confusion, then who is?
Satan and the pope?

Since truth is one, GOD cannot lie, Titus 1:2. There cannot be opposing viewpoints with each claiming to be of the truth. Common sense tells us that in at least half of the opposing viewpoints the truth has to be compromised.

*I agree with this. I can also read. Catholicism isn't the truth according to THE truth, God's word.

Aha, so the Holy Spirit is given only to those who obey GOD. And who are they? In what I have shown so far, how can any of those sects with opposing viewpoints, be in obedience to the one truth of GOD?

How can your cult which disagrees with God's word then be in obedience to the one truth of God? It cannot and isn't. Get your beam out.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#17 Jun 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>And this poll was done by which legitimate polling organization?
This was from a Catholic radio station.

EWTN
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Wilmington, DE

#18 Jun 30, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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This was from a Catholic radio station.
EWTN
I have to agree with Mark on this one. That is not a reliable source.

Since: Jun 11

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#19 Jun 30, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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This was from a Catholic radio station.
EWTN
You certainly may have heard this poll reported on EWTN. However, I found the source. The Public Religion Research Institute always manages to find overwhelming support for liberal causes from amnesty for illegal aliens and abortion to smoking weed. PRRI claims 50% of young Christians support legalization of marijuana. PRRI is funded by The Brookings Institute, Nathan Cummings Foundation, the Ford Foundation and the Four Freedoms Fund. As I suspected it didn't take long to find ties to George Soros.

One thing's for sure the Magisterium of the Catholic Church is not governed by polls or the opinions of folks in the pews.

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#20 Jun 30, 2013
Dave P wrote:
If GOD is not the author of confusion, then who is?
Satan and the pope?
Since truth is one, GOD cannot lie, Titus 1:2. There cannot be opposing viewpoints with each claiming to be of the truth. Common sense tells us that in at least half of the opposing viewpoints the truth has to be compromised.
*I agree with this. I can also read. Catholicism isn't the truth according to THE truth, God's word.
Aha, so the Holy Spirit is given only to those who obey GOD. And who are they? In what I have shown so far, how can any of those sects with opposing viewpoints, be in obedience to the one truth of GOD?
How can your cult which disagrees with God's word then be in obedience to the one truth of God? It cannot and isn't. Get your beam out.
This morning when you go to church look around and ask yourself why it looks just like a Baptist church. Ask yourself why you are singing hymns written by Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, and Anglicans. Ask yourself why it's Welchs.

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