Anti-abortion group plans 40-day prayer vigil in Vienna

A campaign seeking to show what they consider to be the consequences of abortion has come to the Mid-Ohio Valley with plans for a 40-day prayer vigil.

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“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#21 Sep 26, 2010
Honey, anywhere you livd would be worth condescending to.
KKnopp wrote:
BTW no one from Indiana has any right to be pretentiously condescending to anyone regardless of where they live.
I've been to Indiana.
PastorBob666

Silver Spring, MD

#22 Sep 26, 2010
<<Again, they say we dislike in others what we hate about ourselves. >>

So tell us about the abortions you have paid for, participated in or caused? Tell us about YOUR intolerance!

<<Just like a toddler is a toddler. A teenager is a teenager. They are still human beings with rights. >>

a fetus could be human, if it was made with human DNA, but rights? Nope! You gotta be born to be a person with civil rights in the US!
Ocean56

AOL

#23 Sep 26, 2010
PastorBob666 wrote:
<<Again, they say we dislike in others what we hate about ourselves. >>
So tell us about the abortions you have paid for, participated in or caused? Tell us about YOUR intolerance!
<<Just like a toddler is a toddler. A teenager is a teenager. They are still human beings with rights. >>
a fetus could be human, if it was made with human DNA, but rights? Nope! You gotta be born to be a person with civil rights in the US!
Exactly. A fetus is a FETUS, simple as that. A fetus has no civil rights by law, because our constitution says one must be BORN to have rights.

Since: Nov 09

Smirk .. ;-)

#24 Sep 27, 2010
cpeter1313 wrote:
YOU brought up the name game, in direct response to the use of the term "fetus."
I could say the same about you in that instance.
cpeter1313 wrote:
Try to stay on topic.
Intellectually dishonest. As you were the one that started complaining about the "name game"
cpeter1313 wrote:
Toddlers don't reside in a born human being.
Correct. But they still need a born human being to survive. Just like in the womb.
cpeter1313 wrote:
Your contempt for women is amazing.
I never understood why you feel the need to project thoughts and beliefs I simply do not share. I assure you that isn't the case. If your rant was so just you'd not have to revert to such dishonesty. Your argument is one of a coward.
cpeter1313 wrote:
They have sex and that ties them down to bearing children?
Your contempt for children is amazing. You'd be amazed at how many women see such a thing as a GIFT. Not as being "tied down" This follows under selfishness. "Oh I can't bother with a child, I have too much of an active life, I'll just kill it out of convenience" That's sociopathic behavior by definition.
cpeter1313 wrote:
They have to take responsibility for their actions? With YOU deciding what that entails, of course. For many, abortion IS taking responsibility--it's not bearing a child that is not wanted and which they will not or cannot raise themselves.
Again the problem lies in those being selfish. I knew girls that had abortions simply because they didn't want stretch marks. It's shallow, selfish acts like this that is turning the world into crap.
cpeter1313 wrote:
Try as you might, you cannot reduce the woman to a life-support system for a fetus
More dishonest projection. I didn't do any such thing.
cpeter1313 wrote:
she has rights and she can determine the course of her own life--before, during, and after havnig sex. At exactly what point in your life did you determine that women were secondary to the fetus within them?
Never said they were secondary. If a woman's life is in danger if she has said kid, I am ALL FOR her making that decision. You have no clue what I am for or against. But instead make ignorant assumptions to attempt to further your sociopathic rants.
cpeter1313 wrote:

If we cannot determine when life begins, then there is absolutely no obligation for th woman to keep any pregnancy--after all, you evidently can't prove it's alive at any stage of development.
I hold similar beliefs about the death penalty. We shouldn't be putting anyone to death just in case we are wrong about their guilt. I feel the same about abortions. We shouldn't be killing living beings until we know when life starts.
cpeter1313 wrote:

When interracial marriage bans were overturned, 70% of the country opposed doing so. Civil rights are not a popularity contest.[/quote]
That was a bizarro comparison.
[QUOTE who="cpeter1313"]
Most women do NOT suffer after having an abortion; that's a PLM myth. Many regret the necessity, but not the action.
No that isn't a myth. I've counseled and spoken with MANY MANY women having issues because of abortion guilt. Some unable to enjoy sexual intercourse anymore. Become frigid. Believe that anything that goes wrong in their life is a direct result in their choice to kill their own child.

Your views do not however surprise me. It's the social norm of this decaying society.

It's certainly not getting better.

BTW the Row VS Wade case. The case that made abortions legal. Talk to Norma L. McCorvey AKA "JANE ROW" about it. Ask her how she feels about abortions. I have.

Since: Nov 09

Smirk .. ;-)

#25 Sep 27, 2010
BTW before you reply again, and I have to again to smack down your baseless assertions about me I suggest you read this.

http://www.vandruff.com/art_converse.html

Because you really SUCK at debating.

If this were an actual "judged" debate, you'd have been disqualified in your first few posts.

Since: Nov 09

Smirk .. ;-)

#26 Sep 27, 2010
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. A fetus is a FETUS, simple as that. A fetus has no civil rights by law, because our constitution says one must be BORN to have rights.
Again, cause a woman to lose her baby illegally and see what happens.

Since: Nov 09

Smirk .. ;-)

#27 Sep 27, 2010
BTW the multiple accounts is cracking me up. Parroting one another.

;-)
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“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#29 Sep 27, 2010
KKnopp wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, cause a woman to lose her baby illegally and see what happens.
What happens is that you've taken away the woman's civil rights, and performed an illegal abortion. It's got nothing to do with the fetus.
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Since: Nov 09

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#31 Sep 27, 2010
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
What happens is that you've taken away the woman's civil rights, and performed an illegal abortion. It's got nothing to do with the fetus.
I suggest you read the post above yours.
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Ocean56

AOL

#33 Sep 27, 2010
KKnopp wrote:
Your contempt for children is amazing. You'd be amazed at how many women see such a thing as a GIFT. Not as being "tied down" This follows under selfishness. "Oh I can't bother with a child, I have too much of an active life, I'll just kill it out of convenience" That's sociopathic behavior by definition.
And there are many women who do NOT consider pregnancy or children a gift; in fact, just the opposite. Not all women WANT to be mothers, goofy, I suggest you live with that fact.

Women who wish to remain childfree usually use a reliable method of birth control (which can and DOES fail, by the way), and some even get a tubal ligation. However, a tubal ligation (or vas is NOT as easy to obtain as some would have us BELIEVE. Many doctors refuse to do a tubal on a woman who is under 30 years of age, convinced that she "may change her mind someday."

As for me, I'm a happy "done after one" mom, meaning I had ONE child by CHOICE. While my pregnancy was a wanted one, I had many health problems during those nine months, and the birth was an awful experience as well. I was just glad DS and I BOTH made it through safely. Now I would consider pregnancy a CURSE, not a gift, so I am very glad I know how to avoid getting pregnant. Some would consider avoiding pregnancy just as "selfish" as getting an abortion, but they're entitled to their OPINION.

Whatever a woman's reasons are for terminating a pregnancy, they are none of YOUR business. She doesn't have to justify her choice to you or anyone else.
Ocean56

AOL

#34 Sep 27, 2010
KKnopp wrote:
<quoted text>
I know this, and you know this.
But these others don't seem to grasp it.
I've never seen so much disdain for human life.
In other words, you're just pissed that all pro-choicers aren't agreeing with your "wisdom." Too bad.

Not all women want to be mothers, and thankfully, being a mother or having more children is EACH woman's decision, not yours. Other than whine and complain about "disdain for human life," there's nothing you can do about it.

“Unborn babies are people too”

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis, MN

#35 Sep 27, 2010
KKnopp wrote:
<quoted text>
I know this, and you know this.
But these others don't seem to grasp it.
I've never seen so much disdain for human life.
But remember, this is the rarefied air of Topix, where the good little pro-abort privates bravely soldier on while their citadel crumbles.

In the real world, leaders of the abortion industry are constantly bewailing their movement's sagging fortunes:

**NARAL's Nancy Keenan to NPR interviewer: "You know, we have to look at what has happened since the passage of Roe. And since 1995 alone, there have been 550 laws on the books that again restrict access to abortion care. That tells us that those people that are elected to office are coming in, waking up every day, either trying to overturn Roe or trying to again take this personal private medical decision away from women.

"And so when we see that kind of effort since 35 years ago, you wouldn't imagine that we would be here, that 550 new laws on the book that restrict women's access to abortion, and that's what we talk about when we say, you bet, women are losing ground ..."

*"Abortion counselors will also tell you that the stigma attached to the procedure is worse than it’s been in years.“When I started as a patient advocate in Ohio in 1996,” says Jeannie Ludlow, a professor at Eastern Illinois University who has written a great deal about abortion,“what I mostly saw were women who were thinking about abortion in individual ways—this is what’s going on in my life, this is what I’m thinking I should do. But by the time I left in 2008, our patients would be saying all that and ‘Oh, and I know I’m going to feel bad for the rest of my life,’ even if they seemed perfectly sure of their choice.”...

"... Generally, science is the friend of progressive political causes. Not this one. As fetal ultrasound technology improved during the nineties, abortion providers, conditioned to reassure patients that the fetus was merely tissue, found it much harder to do so once their patients were staring at images that looked so lifelike. Banking on the emotional power of seeing a beating heart on a television screen—many in the pro-life movement refer to sonograms as “God’s window”—organizations like Focus on the Family began to use this technology to their advantage, sending ultrasound machines to Crisis Pregnancy Centers in an initiative taglined “Revealing Life to Save Life.”...

"NARAL’s Nancy Keenan likes to say that abortion’s biggest defenders right now are a “menopausal militia”—a rueful, inspired little joke. These baby-boomers, whose young adulthoods were defined by the fight over the right to choose, will soon be numerically overtaken by a generation of twentysomethings who is more pro-life than any but our senior citizens. As GOP strategists Christopher Blunt and Fred Steeper have pointed out, this group came of age during the partial-birth debate and was the first to grow up with pictures of sonograms on their refrigerators....

"The Abortion Distortion" [whose author, Jennifer Senior, is a self-described pro-choicer]-- http://nymag.com/news/features/62379/index5.h...

**[April 2010 Newsweek article] "... This past January, when Keenan's train pulled into Washington's Union Station, a few blocks from the Capitol, she was greeted by a swarm of anti-abortion-rights activists. It was the 37th annual March for Life, organized every year on Jan. 22, the anniversary of Roe. "I just thought, my gosh, they are so young," Keenan recalled. "There are so many of them, and they are so young." March for Life estimates it drew 400,000 activists to the Capitol this year. An anti-Stupak [pro-abortion] rally two months earlier had about 1,300 attendees."

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#36 Sep 27, 2010
A born child can be supported by ANYONE; the fetus has only one caregiver. Jut like that toddler, the caregiver must actively take on the responsibility--you can't force a kid (or a fetus) on an unwilling party.

The very fact that you, a man, desire to tell women what they must do with their own bodies and their own lives shows contempt for them. They don't really need your guidance or your platitudes. They can make their own decisions.

I have no contempt for children. If a woman considers a child a gift, she's unlikely to have an abortion, now is she? But for those women who view having a child as a burden, why should they view an unwanted pregnancy as a "gift"? Because YOU say they should? And no, that is not sociopathic behavior; don't use words you don't understand.

You make your own decisions, and women will do the same. Not breeding is not selfish; it's far more selfish to have a child you cannot or will not raise properly yourself. What IS selfish? Making others conform to your beliefs because it makes you feel good about yourself. Go look in a mirror.

I do know what you are for; you are for women being pregnant against their will, and ont he basis of your own beliefs. Your every post says this.

I don't believe the death penalty should be used unless there is absolute proof--videotape, a mountain of evidence, etc. But people who are truly a lethal danger to the rest of society should not necessarily be supported by that society either.

And I know many women who have aborted and who are perfectly fine with their decision. As I've said, if you want to abort, you have to be honest with yourself about how you REALLY feel on the issue. That is the patient's responsibility for any elective procedure. We do not take away rights because some people cannot reconcile themselves to their own decisions. I can only guess at the efficacy of your "counsel" with these women. What do you tell omen who fervently regret having kids? BTW--what are your credentials for counseling anyone?

"Decaying society" is a purely subjective judgment.

RoE v Wade made abortion legal across the board, with the same standards. McCorvey is a desperate case; she fell in with the PLM because she needs the attention. What she believes or doesn't believe now is irrelevant; the SCOTUS ruled on the case based on the constitutionality of the laws involved, not on her personal beliefs. She, again, is an example of someone who needs to accept the decisions she's made instead of blaming the world for what she considers an error in judgment.
KKnopp wrote:
<quoted text>

Correct. But they still need a born human being to survive. Just like in the womb.
<quoted text>
I never understood why you feel the need to project thoughts and beliefs I simply do not share. I assure you that isn't the case. If your rant was so just you'd not have to revert to such dishonesty. Your argument is one of a coward.
<quoted text>
Your contempt for children is amazing. You'd be amazed at how many women see such a thing as a GIFT. Not as being "tied down" This follows under selfishness. "Oh I can't bother with a child, I have too much of an active life, I'll just kill it out of convenience" That's sociopathic behavior by definition.
<quoted text>
Again the problem lies in those being selfish. I knew girls that had abortions simply because they didn't want stretch marks. It's shallow, selfish acts like this that is turning the world into crap.
...

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#37 Sep 27, 2010
This isn't a formal debate. If it were, your lack of facts would have disqualified you at the get-go.
KKnopp wrote:
BTW before you reply again, and I have to again to smack down your baseless assertions about me I suggest you read this.
http://www.vandruff.com/art_converse.html
Because you really SUCK at debating.
If this were an actual "judged" debate, you'd have been disqualified in your first few posts.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#38 Sep 27, 2010
Yeah, see what happens. If you do so in this state in the 5th month, you get arrested for assaulting the woman. Period. Our laws are predicted on viability. Some states have no such laws at all.

Two things you overlook:

1) These laws are based on the termination of the pregnancy AGAINST the woman's will, not on the basis of fetal rights, of which there are none.

2) EVERY fetal homicide law specifically excludes abortion.
KKnopp wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, cause a woman to lose her baby illegally and see what happens.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#39 Sep 27, 2010
I post ONLY under this name. No others. You;re just confused because they don't agree with you,and how could that be possible?
KKnopp wrote:
BTW the multiple accounts is cracking me up. Parroting one another.
;-)

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#40 Sep 27, 2010
I suspect you do all this cut and paste stuff because you type with one hand. You really get off on this.
Lux et Veritas wrote:
<quoted text>
But remember, this is the rarefied air of Topix, where the good little pro-abort privates bravely soldier on while their citadel crumbles.
In the real world, leaders of the abortion industry are constantly bewailing their movement's sagging fortunes:
**NARAL's Nancy Keenan to NPR interviewer: "You know, we have to look at what has happened since the passage of Roe. And since 1995 alone, there have been 550 laws on the books that again restrict access to abortion care. That tells us that those people that are elected to office are coming in, waking up every day, either trying to overturn Roe or trying to again take this personal private medical decision away from women.
"And so when we see that kind of effort since 35 years ago, you wouldn't imagine that we would be here, that 550 new laws on the book that restrict women's access to abortion, and that's what we talk about when we say, you bet, women are losing ground ..."
*"Abortion counselors will also tell you that the stigma attached to the procedure is worse than it’s been in years.“When I started as a patient advocate in Ohio in 1996,” says Jeannie Ludlow, a professor at Eastern Illinois University who has written a great deal about abortion,“what I mostly saw were women who were thinking about abortion in individual ways—this is what’s going on in my life, this is what I’m thinking I should do. But by the time I left in 2008, our patients would be saying all that and ‘Oh, and I know I’m going to feel bad for the rest of my life,’ even if they seemed perfectly sure of their choice.”...
"... Generally, science is the friend of progressive political causes. Not this one. As fetal ultrasound technology improved during the nineties, abortion providers, conditioned to reassure patients that the fetus was merely tissue, found it much harder to do so once their patients were staring at images that looked so lifelike. Banking on the emotional power of seeing a beating heart on a television screen—many in the pro-life movement refer to sonograms as “God’s window”—organizations like Focus on the Family began to use this technology to their advantage, sending ultrasound machines to Crisis Pregnancy Centers in an initiative taglined “Revealing Life to Save Life.”...
"NARAL’s Nancy Keenan likes to say that abortion’s biggest defenders right now are a “menopausal militia”—a rueful, inspired little joke. These baby-boomers, whose young adulthoods were defined by the fight over the right to choose, will soon be numerically overtaken by a generation of twentysomethings who is more pro-life than any but our senior citizens. As GOP strategists Christopher Blunt and Fred Steeper have pointed out, this group came of age during the partial-birth debate and was the first to grow up with pictures of sonograms on their refrigerators....
"The Abortion Distortion" [whose author, Jennifer Senior, is a self-described pro-choicer]-- http://nymag.com/news/features/62379/index5.h...
**[April 2010 Newsweek article] "... This past January, when Keenan's train pulled into Washington's Union Station, a few blocks from the Capitol, she was greeted by a swarm of anti-abortion-rights activists. It was the 37th annual March for Life, organized every year on Jan. 22, the anniversary of Roe. "I just thought, my gosh, they are so young," Keenan recalled. "There are so many of them, and they are so young." March for Life estimates it drew 400,000 activists to the Capitol this year. An anti-Stupak [pro-abortion] rally two months earlier had about 1,300 attendees."

Since: Nov 09

Smirk .. ;-)

#41 Sep 27, 2010
This is going to happen regardless of the hissing and honking of the pro-death group. It goes on quiet often here.

You can tell a lot about the way a person responds to posts you make. Projection, dishonesty, et all does not surprise me coming from a few of you.

Since: Nov 09

Smirk .. ;-)

#42 Sep 27, 2010
For example:
cpeter1313 wrote:
I suspect you do all this cut and paste stuff because you type with one hand. You really get off on this.
<quoted text>
It's juvenile shenanigans like this that make me believe I am not discussing this with people that are playing with a full deck. Or at least someone mature enough to have such a discussion.

Again, if your rant was so just, you'd not have to revert to dishonest shenanigans of the like.

Since: Nov 09

Smirk .. ;-)

#43 Sep 27, 2010
BTW I want to say shenanigans one more time.

Shenanigans.

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