Anti-abortion group plans 40-day prayer vigil in Vienna

A campaign seeking to show what they consider to be the consequences of abortion has come to the Mid-Ohio Valley with plans for a 40-day prayer vigil.

[cpeter1313]

Was ohio in need of more religious morons? Do they need to import them?

The nice thing is that in october, the weather is usually quite wet and gets chilly. Hopefully these people will learn the true meaning of "pneumonia."

[-Kevin-]

cpeter1313 not everyone that is against abortion is religious. You realize that right?

BTW I love you tolerant attitude. Keep spreading that cheer.

[cpeter1313]

People who attend PRAYER vigils tend to be religious. You'd be surprised how few atheists attend these hootenannies.

KKnopp wrote:

cpeter1313 not everyone that is against abortion is religious. You realize that right?
BTW I love you tolerant attitude. Keep spreading that cheer.

[-Kevin-]

cpeter1313 wrote:

People who attend PRAYER vigils tend to be religious.

Religious!?!? You mean they humble themselves and believe in a higher power!?!?
Why aren't these people locked up in Jail!?!!?!?!? What a horrible horrible crime!!11one!

cpeter1313 wrote:

You'd be surprised how few atheists attend these hootenannies.

Actually I probably wouldn't be. But there are many atheists against abortion for non-religious reasons regardless.

[-Kevin-]

BTW Mr Vlad. Did you ever live in WV?

[cpeter1313]

They can believe in anything they want. Harassing people for legal activities is not "humble" on any level; it's boorish, self-righteous, and vile.

This is not a political protest--the clinics are medical facilities. if you want to protest abortion laws, got protest at the local government center. This is a pathetic show of force, designed to intimidate clients and workers alike. There is nothing humble or christ-like about it.

Being an atheist, I understand that some other atheists oppose abortion. You don't have to be religious to oppose women's rights, it just makes it easier.

KKnopp wrote:

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Religious!?!? You mean they humble themselves and believe in a higher power!?!?
Why aren't these people locked up in Jail!?!!?!?!? What a horrible horrible crime!!11one!
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Actually I probably wouldn't be. But there are many atheists against abortion for non-religious reasons regardless.

[cpeter1313]

Nope.

KKnopp wrote:

BTW Mr Vlad. Did you ever live in WV?

[-Kevin-]

cpeter1313 wrote:

They can believe in anything they want. Harassing people for legal activities is not "humble" on any level; it's boorish, self-righteous, and vile.

Some believe it shouldn't be legal. It is of their right to do so. And no one in said event is harassing anyone. I've seen such things go on in this town (Which I live in BTW) There are no abortion clinics here for them to harass.

cpeter1313 wrote:

"Being an atheist, I understand that some other atheists oppose abortion. You don't have to be religious to oppose women's rights, it just makes it easier.

You know, if it was just about a woman's body, that would make sense. And I'd agree with you here. But we aren't talking about just her body. I believe EVERYONE should have rights. Regardless of their age.

[-Kevin-]

cpeter1313 wrote:

Nope.
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Then you have no clue what goes on here. That was evident with your last projectionary post.

[cpeter1313]

If there are no clinics, why are "such things" going on in your town? Fundies can't read a map?

So, to give a fetus rights, you would REMOVE rights from the born woman? There's a word for that: slavery--suborning the rights of one for the profit of the other without recompense or agreement.

KKnopp wrote:

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Some believe it shouldn't be legal. It is of their right to do so. And no one in said event is harassing anyone. I've seen such things go on in this town (Which I live in BTW) There are no abortion clinics here for them to harass.
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You know, if it was just about a woman's body, that would make sense. And I'd agree with you here. But we aren't talking about just her body. I believe EVERYONE should have rights. Regardless of their age.

[cpeter1313]

I was commenting on the ARTICLE. What goes on in your little incest-fest of a state otherwise doesn't concern me.

KKnopp wrote:

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Then you have no clue what goes on here. That was evident with your last projectionary post.

[-Kevin-]

cpeter1313 wrote:

If there are no clinics, why are "such things" going on in your town?

I remember seeing Prop8=Hate protesters in our town too. Prop8 had nothing to do with WV. Still made sense.

cpeter1313 wrote:

Fundies can't read a map?

Is this the tolerant left wing I keep hearing about?

cpeter1313 wrote:

So, to give a fetus rights

Lets stop with the name games and call it what it is. A living, growing human being. I know those that are proponents of abortion like to de-humanise living, growing human beings by calling them "Fetus" in order to make the act seem less inhumane than it is. But come on..

cpeter1313 wrote:

you would REMOVE rights from the born woman?

Some people don't believe murder should be legal period. BTW I am specifically referring to abortions used as birth control. The sad part about society today is so many people don't want to take responsibility for their actions. They want a easy way out. Those who prop up this type of thinking is doing more harm to society than good.

cpeter1313 wrote:

There's a word for that: slavery--suborning the rights of one for the profit of the other without recompense or agreement.

Oh please, get out of here with that intellectual dishonesty. You aren't making your argument look valid by doing so.

No one ever talks about the horrible psychological effects abortion has on a great number of it's victims. Why is that?

[-Kevin-]

cpeter1313 wrote:

I was commenting on the ARTICLE.

Yes.. I think we've made that clear haven't we? I see your comment on the article. That wasn't what I asked.

cpeter1313 wrote:

What goes on in your little incest-fest of a state otherwise doesn't concern me.

Your words say otherwise.

And you know, they say we hate or belittle in others what we dislike about ourselves.

Have any siblings?

[cpeter1313]

I am not left-wing or right-wing. I don't play those games. And if I think someone is an absolute moron, I will say so. I do not tolerate deliberate ignorance, which is the basis of the PLM.

YOU are plying name games. Every stage of development has a name--a fetus is a fetus. If you want to call it a living human being who should have voting right and tattoos, bully for you. I will stick with the objective medical term because that is what it IS. Everything else is romanticism. In fact, the problem is not what you want to call it, but what the pregnant woman decides it is. She's the one taking all the risks, she gets to decide if those risks are worth it.

The born woman has established rights; fetuses have none. If she terminates HER OWN pregnancy, it's not murder; it wasn't murder when abortion was illegal. If you think abortion is the easy way out, then I guess you belie your own assertion that so many women suffer after the fact. Most women, of course, do NOT suffer after having an abortion; that's a PLM fiction that takes a minority of cases and pretends to apply it with a broad brush.

The reality is that women who DO regret aborting do so usually because they are not honest with themselves and their beliefs on the matter. We do nto take the choice away from ALL women to protect the few who will seek an abortion without dealing with their choice later.

KKnopp wrote:

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I remember seeing Prop8=Hate protesters in our town too. Prop8 had nothing to do with WV. Still made sense.
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Is this the tolerant left wing I keep hearing about?
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Lets stop with the name games and call it what it is. A living, growing human being. I know those that are proponents of abortion like to de-humanise living, growing human beings by calling them "Fetus" in order to make the act seem less inhumane than it is. But come on..
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Some people don't believe murder should be legal period. BTW I am specifically referring to abortions used as birth control. The sad part about society today is so many people don't want to take responsibility for their actions. They want a easy way out. Those who prop up this type of thinking is doing more harm to society than good.
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Oh please, get out of here with that intellectual dishonesty. You aren't making your argument look valid by doing so.
No one ever talks about the horrible psychological effects abortion has on a great number of it's victims. Why is that?

[cpeter1313]

Six. Three sisters, three brothers. I'll let you run that through your salacious little brainpan, cappy dick.

BTW--I don't hate or fear WV; it amuses me that you had to run ads asking men not to hump little girls.

KKnopp wrote:

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Yes.. I think we've made that clear haven't we? I see your comment on the article. That wasn't what I asked.
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Your words say otherwise.
And you know, they say we hate or belittle in others what we dislike about ourselves.
Have any siblings?

[-Kevin-]

cpeter1313 wrote:

I am not left-wing or right-wing. I don't play those games. And if I think someone is an absolute moron, I will say so. I do not tolerate deliberate ignorance, which is the basis of the PLM.

So would that make you intolerant of yourself? Or is your ignorance on the matter not deliberate? You didn't even know the location, or the whole story on this matter, yet you judged anyhow. This is what is known as a "knee jerk response"

cpeter1313 wrote:

YOU are plying name games.

Really?*I* am playing name games? Lets see some of the names Mr cpeter has used.

"religious morons"

"Fundies"

"incest-fest of a state"

"I'll let you run that through your salacious little brainpan, cappy dick."

Again, they say we dislike in others what we hate about ourselves.

cpeter1313 wrote:

Every stage of development has a name--a fetus is a fetus.

Just like a toddler is a toddler. A teenager is a teenager. They are still human beings with rights.

cpeter1313 wrote:

If you want to call it a living human being who should have voting right and tattoos, bully for you.

You just took what I said and spun it into a bizarro absolute. If your rant was so just you'd not have to revert to such dishonesty.

cpeter1313 wrote:

I will stick with the objective medical term because that is what it IS. Everything else is romanticism.

cpeter you are confusing me with someone that doesn't know both sides of the equation. In my younger, more naive years I was a full blown liberal atheist. I know what these scientists know. And I know NO ONE.. I repeat NO ONE on this planet knows when life begins. Anyone claiming they do are being intellectually dishonest. Believe me, I've done my homework in this matter.

cpeter1313 wrote:

In fact, the problem is not what you want to call it, but what the pregnant woman decides it is. She's the one taking all the risks, she gets to decide if those risks are worth it.

She should made the decision before she got pregnant. If she thought having unprotected sex, or sex without birth control was worth the risk of getting pregnant, then she should have taken responsibilities for her actions.

cpeter1313 wrote:

The born woman has established rights; fetuses have none.

Cause a woman to lose her pregnancy and see what happens.

cpeter1313 wrote:

If she terminates HER OWN pregnancy, it's not murder; it wasn't murder when abortion was illegal.

It's ending a human life. That's murder in my book. Half the country believes as much too. HALF. Tell me, if it's such a noble, right thing to do, why do most women have psychological damage done to them because of abortions they've had?

cpeter1313 wrote:

If you think abortion is the easy way out

No, I believe some people think that at first. Then when it's too late, realize the harm they did.

cpeter1313 wrote:

Six. Three sisters, three brothers. I'll let you run that through your salacious little brainpan, cappy dick.
BTW--I don't hate or fear WV; it amuses me that you had to run ads asking men not to hump little girls.
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Seek help. You need it. I also suggest you look up the statistics of such things. WV has one of the lowest crime rates. That includes molesting of young children.

You're ignorance is showing.

[-Kevin-]

BTW no one from Indiana has any right to be pretentiously condescending to anyone regardless of where they live.

I've been to Indiana.

[-Kevin-]

BTW this conversation with you reminds me of one of my favorite dilbert comics.

http://pages.suddenlink.net/kevin/forums/extr...

[-Kevin-]

cpeter1313 wrote:

I am not left-wing or right-wing. I don't play those games. And if I think someone is an absolute moron, I will say so. I do not tolerate deliberate ignorance, which is the basis of the PLM.

So would that make you intolerant of yourself? Or is your ignorance on the matter not deliberate? You didn't even know the location, or the whole story on this matter, yet you judged anyhow. This is what is known as a "knee jerk response"

cpeter1313 wrote:

YOU are plying name games.

Really?*I* am playing name games? Lets see some of the names Mr cpeter has used.

"religious morons"

"Fundies"

"incest-fest of a state"

"I'll let you run that through your salacious little brainpan, cappy dick."

Again, they say we dislike in others what we hate about ourselves.

cpeter1313 wrote:

Every stage of development has a name--a fetus is a fetus.

Just like a toddler is a toddler. A teenager is a teenager. They are still human beings with rights.

cpeter1313 wrote:

If you want to call it a living human being who should have voting right and tattoos, bully for you.

You just took what I said and spun it into a bizarro absolute. If your rant was so just you'd not have to revert to such dishonesty.

cpeter1313 wrote:

I will stick with the objective medical term because that is what it IS. Everything else is romanticism.

cpeter you are confusing me with someone that doesn't know both sides of the equation. In my younger, more naive years I was a full blown liberal atheist. I know what these scientists know. And I know NO ONE.. I repeat NO ONE on this planet knows when life begins. Anyone claiming they do are being intellectually dishonest. Believe me, I've done my homework in this matter.

cpeter1313 wrote:

In fact, the problem is not what you want to call it, but what the pregnant woman decides it is. She's the one taking all the risks, she gets to decide if those risks are worth it.

She should made the decision before she got pregnant. If she thought having unprotected sex, or sex without birth control was worth the risk of getting pregnant, then she should have taken responsibilities for her actions.

cpeter1313 wrote:

The born woman has established rights; fetuses have none.

Cause a woman to lose her pregnancy and see what happens.

cpeter1313 wrote:

If she terminates HER OWN pregnancy, it's not murder; it wasn't murder when abortion was illegal.

It's ending a human life. That's murder in my book. Half the country believes as much too. HALF. Tell me, if it's such a noble, right thing to do, why do most women have psychological damage done to them because of abortions they've had?

cpeter1313 wrote:

If you think abortion is the easy way out

No, I believe some people think that at first. Then when it's too late, realize the harm they did.

cpeter1313 wrote:

Six. Three sisters, three brothers. I'll let you run that through your salacious little brainpan, cappy dick.
BTW--I don't hate or fear WV; it amuses me that you had to run ads asking men not to hump little girls.
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Seek help. You need it.

[cpeter1313]

YOU brought up the name game, in direct response to the use of the term "fetus." Try to stay on topic.

Toddlers don't reside in a born human being.

Your contempt for women is amazing. They have sex and that ties them down to bearing children? They have to take responsibility for their actions? With YOU deciding what that entails, of course. For many, abortion IS taking responsibility--it's not bearing a child that is not wanted and which they will not or cannot raise themselves. Try as you might, you cannot reduce the woman to a life-support system for a fetus; she has rights and she can determine the course of her own life--before, during, and after havnig sex. At exactly what point in your life did you determine that women were secondary to the fetus within them?

Causing a woman to lose her pregnancy AGAINST HER WILL--the important part of this paradigm--is punishable in some states and not in others. Here in IN, fetal homicide laws kick in only after viability. Many states have no such laws at all.

If we cannot determine when life begins, then there is absolutely no obligation for th woman to keep any pregnancy--after all, you evidently can't prove it's alive at any stage of development.

Endign a human life is not always murder. It may b in your book, but no one else has to read or live according to that book. It's arrogant to presume to tell women that they must live with a pregnancy they did not plan and do not want. It's not a decision you or I will ever have to make. And who said it was a noble thing to do? It's a medical procedure; anything else YOU want to attach to it is your problem.

When interracial marriage bans were overturned, 70% of the country opposed doing so. Civil rights are not a popularity contest.

Most women do NOT suffer after having an abortion; that's a PLM myth. Many regret the necessity, but not the action. What do you say to the women who regret having kids? Millions of women have had abortions over the past 3+ decades. Do you really think most of them are emotionally scarred? Your grasp of psychology is as tenuous as your grasp of civil rights.

KKnopp wrote:

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So would that make you intolerant of yourself?...