Outbursts at Health Care Reform Debate in Victor

Senator Ted Kennedy dedicated his life to health care reform. An issue now being fiercely debated in Washington and communities across the country. Read more
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Hey

Webster, NY

#41 Aug 28, 2009
Rednecked Mama wrote:
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Another common sense posting.
The government is NOT taking "over" medical care people. The idea here is to provide AFFORDABLE health insurance for ALL. Too many people are in the category that they "make too much" to qualify for medicaid but they do not make enough to pay for private insurance.
Oh, what about those who lose their job? You might get a job somewhere else, but if you have a pre-existing condition - you might not get coverage for it with your new insurance! How about that?
You may have good coverage now, but that is NOT guaranteed at all.
I also love it when I see seniors being the mouthiest at these town hall meetings and they have MEDICARE! That is a socialist system! Oh my! How evil is that?*gasp*!
TO ALL SENIOR CITIZENS - stand up if you would give up your medicare! NO ONE STOOD UP...hmmm it must be working for them.
Hey

Webster, NY

#42 Aug 28, 2009
LivinInRochester wrote:
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In 2005, 46.6 million people in America were uninsured. Of that, 41.2 were native-born citizens (13.4% of native-born citizens). The other 5 million were non-citizen immigrants. That means only 11% of the uninsured people in this country are immigrants, so the word most, which implies more than 50%, is inapplicable. As for why we should insure them, look up "herd immunity" and "preventative care". Giving open access to medical care helps everyone and is cheaper in the long run.
Yes, emergency rooms cannot refuse treatment, but this leads to hordes of uninsured people going to emergency rooms for non-emergencies and not paying, leading to a, in your own words, "overburdened, underfunded, and RATIONED system". Paying for a $100 office visit twice a year can save the taxpayers and those with their own health plans (who inevitably pay for those "free" visits) tens of thousands of dollars in ER bills.
As for the right to health care, I was speaking more humanitarianly than legally, but if you want Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (of which the US is a contributor and signatory) guarantees access to health care for all people. Or should the poor people just die and decrease the surplus population?
"You want health care- earn it!" OK, but what if I'm a minimum wage worker. Oops, I can't afford healthcare and my employer doesn't want to pony up. Oops, I contracted typhoid fever (1500 cases a year in the US) from living in my slumhole apartment and can't afford to go to a doctor. Oops, I served you a Big Mac with a side of typhoid. Oops, your insurance company dropped your policy claiming it is a "pre-existing condition". Oops, you gave it to your entire family. Oops, you now have to choose between possibly dying or declaring bankruptcy, losing your house, job, car, etc. Oops, you voted for Bush, who passed a law saying even if you declare bankruptcy you still have to pay off your medical debts.
OK, a bit far fetched, but replace typhoid with anything else, like "car accident", "heart attack", etc.
As for "rationing care" like in England, Canada, etc, I know and have heard from several people who live in said countries who, and I quote, "...would riot in the streets if we had to give up our health care system".
The stories you hear are fake or distorted. The woman with brain cancer who had to wait a year for an X-ray? Turns out she doesn't have cancer. It was a non-threatening cyst and the wait was to see if it went away on its own. The "death panels"? Those aren't new. The end-of-life counseling sessions were introduced into law by conservative Republicans years ago. Obama just wants to pay for it under this plan.
Please, for the sake of the country, stop spreading lies and rhetoric.
WELL SAID..... For those who believe the propaganda watch the movie "SICKO".
I want my country back

Rochester, NY

#43 Aug 28, 2009
"Sicko", the movie. is much like its director!
Mr Skeptical

Rochester, NY

#44 Aug 28, 2009
Paul wrote:
All of you opposed to this reform are all greedy. Why can't you for once in your life do something for other people. Why should you be the only one's with access to healthcare. I would gladly pay a little more in taxes so that I would know that at least everyone is getting their basic needs for medical coverage met. No one cares about others anymore, that is what is wrong in this world, that is why our country is becoming garbage.
Maybe it's because WE ALREADY GIVE A LARGE CHUNK OF OUR INCOME TO THE GOVERNMENT, so they can create huge programs to help the poor, who have made a living by sucking from the government teat Paul! It's not that we don't care, or are greedy....it's that the people who get the 'help' are the freeloaders of society, and those who actually pay THEIR bills for them also struggle to pay their own bills.

I pay for my own groceries, and must constantly consider the cost. I don't eat steak every week, thats a special treat...I can't afford it...but lazy freeloaders get several hundred dollars a month (FROM ME, the taxpayer) can eat whatever they want.

I pay for my own heating bills. I pay A LOT, and keep the thermostat at 65 to keep the bill down. I put plastic on the windows to cut down on drafts, WHILE PAYING FOR OTHERS FREE HEATING ASSISTANCE, who don't have to worry themselves with such things.

I work hard to pay rent at a modest apartment, while PAYING FOR OTHERS to live in nicer places for free. A lot of them have their boyfriends, girlfriends, etc move in and enjoy some extra unreported income while their at it.

I work hard to make a monthly car payment for a not-so-fancy car, and meanwhile those collecting food stamps, heating assistance, rent vouchers, etc, drive around in brand new cadillac Escalades.

I pay for my own medical insurance, and hold a job to do so (my employer contributes 1/2) and now YOU think I should pay for other peoples who do not earn anything for themselves too!

You're obviously distrubed. There's far too many able bodied people milking the system. The "poor" get more than their fair share than us working folk do. I guess you think we don't ALREADY help the poor.

One almost has to wonder why I even work at all....apparently, It's much easier to be a leach on society...you can live a lot more comfortably too!


Mr Skeptical

Rochester, NY

#45 Aug 28, 2009
Hey wrote:
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TO ALL SENIOR CITIZENS - stand up if you would give up your medicare! NO ONE STOOD UP...hmmm it must be working for them.
or maybe that's all they have, dummy.
Mr Skeptical

Rochester, NY

#46 Aug 28, 2009
Hey wrote:
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WELL SAID..... For those who believe the propaganda watch the movie "SICKO".
Yea, that movie was made by a totally unbiased non-partisan who is not (at all) A propagandist. All his films are filled with outright lies and gross misrepresentations, and trickery. Only an idiot would take a Michael Moore film as gospel. He can't be trusted as an agent of truth. unbelievable. Kool-aid drinker.

BTW, I wonder how much money goes to treat Michael Moore's obesity. Funny how a guy who can't keep a donut out of his mouth for more than 2 minutes does a film on healthcare. What a joke. Of course, he's filthy rich, so I guess it doesn't matter.
Mike

United States

#47 Aug 28, 2009
Hey wrote:
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TO ALL SENIOR CITIZENS - stand up if you would give up your medicare! NO ONE STOOD UP...hmmm it must be working for them.
Or maybe they wanted to collect the money that was forcefully taken from them by the government. Who wouldn't accept money that was rightfully theirs?
really

AOL

#48 Aug 28, 2009
Mr Skeptical wrote:
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Maybe it's because WE ALREADY GIVE A LARGE CHUNK OF OUR INCOME TO THE GOVERNMENT, so they can create huge programs to help the poor, who have made a living by sucking from the government teat Paul! It's not that we don't care, or are greedy....it's that the people who get the 'help' are the freeloaders of society, and those who actually pay THEIR bills for them also struggle to pay their own bills.
I pay for my own groceries, and must constantly consider the cost. I don't eat steak every week, thats a special treat...I can't afford it...but lazy freeloaders get several hundred dollars a month (FROM ME, the taxpayer) can eat whatever they want.
I pay for my own heating bills. I pay A LOT, and keep the thermostat at 65 to keep the bill down. I put plastic on the windows to cut down on drafts, WHILE PAYING FOR OTHERS FREE HEATING ASSISTANCE, who don't have to worry themselves with such things.
I work hard to pay rent at a modest apartment, while PAYING FOR OTHERS to live in nicer places for free. A lot of them have their boyfriends, girlfriends, etc move in and enjoy some extra unreported income while their at it.
I work hard to make a monthly car payment for a not-so-fancy car, and meanwhile those collecting food stamps, heating assistance, rent vouchers, etc, drive around in brand new cadillac Escalades.
I pay for my own medical insurance, and hold a job to do so (my employer contributes 1/2) and now YOU think I should pay for other peoples who do not earn anything for themselves too!
You're obviously distrubed. There's far too many able bodied people milking the system. The "poor" get more than their fair share than us working folk do. I guess you think we don't ALREADY help the poor.
One almost has to wonder why I even work at all....apparently, It's much easier to be a leach on society...you can live a lot more comfortably too!
AfreakingMEN to this post!!!! I couldn't agree more with you.
Hey

Rochester, NY

#49 Aug 28, 2009
Mr Skeptical wrote:
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or maybe that's all they have, dummy.
Your name calling not appropriate or necessary. You are certainly intitled to your opinion.
Hey

Rochester, NY

#50 Aug 28, 2009
Mr Skeptical wrote:
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Yea, that movie was made by a totally unbiased non-partisan who is not (at all) A propagandist. All his films are filled with outright lies and gross misrepresentations, and trickery. Only an idiot would take a Michael Moore film as gospel. He can't be trusted as an agent of truth. unbelievable. Kool-aid drinker.
BTW, I wonder how much money goes to treat Michael Moore's obesity. Funny how a guy who can't keep a donut out of his mouth for more than 2 minutes does a film on healthcare. What a joke. Of course, he's filthy rich, so I guess it doesn't matter.
Do the research.
Hey

Rochester, NY

#51 Aug 28, 2009
Mike wrote:
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Or maybe they wanted to collect the money that was forcefully taken from them by the government. Who wouldn't accept money that was rightfully theirs?
Possible, but it is still health care.
Hey

Rochester, NY

#52 Aug 28, 2009
I want my country back wrote:
"Sicko", the movie. is much like its director!
Single Payer Health Care works...
Hey

Rochester, NY

#53 Aug 28, 2009
Mr Skeptical wrote:
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Maybe it's because WE ALREADY GIVE A LARGE CHUNK OF OUR INCOME TO THE GOVERNMENT, so they can create huge programs to help the poor, who have made a living by sucking from the government teat Paul! It's not that we don't care, or are greedy....it's that the people who get the 'help' are the freeloaders of society, and those who actually pay THEIR bills for them also struggle to pay their own bills.
I pay for my own groceries, and must constantly consider the cost. I don't eat steak every week, thats a special treat...I can't afford it...but lazy freeloaders get several hundred dollars a month (FROM ME, the taxpayer) can eat whatever they want.
I pay for my own heating bills. I pay A LOT, and keep the thermostat at 65 to keep the bill down. I put plastic on the windows to cut down on drafts, WHILE PAYING FOR OTHERS FREE HEATING ASSISTANCE, who don't have to worry themselves with such things.
I work hard to pay rent at a modest apartment, while PAYING FOR OTHERS to live in nicer places for free. A lot of them have their boyfriends, girlfriends, etc move in and enjoy some extra unreported income while their at it.
I work hard to make a monthly car payment for a not-so-fancy car, and meanwhile those collecting food stamps, heating assistance, rent vouchers, etc, drive around in brand new cadillac Escalades.
I pay for my own medical insurance, and hold a job to do so (my employer contributes 1/2) and now ""YOU think I should pay for other peoples who do not earn anything for themselves too!""
You're obviously distrubed. There's far too many able bodied people milking the system. The "poor" get more than their fair share than us working folk do. I guess you think we don't ALREADY help the poor.
One almost has to wonder why I even work at all....apparently, It's much easier to be a leach on society...you can live a lot more comfortably too!
You already pay for the poor to have health insurance.
Mike

Lansing, IL

#54 Aug 28, 2009
Hey wrote:
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Possible, but it is still health care.
A health care system well on its way to bankruptcy.
Hey

Rochester, NY

#55 Aug 28, 2009
Mike wrote:
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A health care system well on its way to bankruptcy.
So true, take private insurance companies out and we will see improvement.

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