Wounded deputy home from Iraq

Wounded deputy home from Iraq

There are 107 comments on the Democrat & Chronicle story from Oct 5, 2007, titled Wounded deputy home from Iraq. In it, Democrat & Chronicle reports that:

“What could be more American than homemade apple pie?”

Jay Hoyle didn't know until last night that his son, James, was coming home from Iraq. via Democrat & Chronicle

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Since: Jun 07

S.W. Florida

#1 Oct 11, 2007
Now let's bring the rest of them home too!!
Bill Smith

New York, NY

#2 Oct 12, 2007
...when the job is done, they can all come home. Pull the plug now, you condemn Iraq to civil war, execute democracy and defile the sacrifices of all our servicemen and women who had done so much. I know you may be invested in defeat, but I have bad news for you(good news for the majority of us)...we are winning. Sorry.

God bless the returning soldier and his family.

Since: Jul 07

Webster, NY

#3 Oct 15, 2007
what are we winning? what is the job? policemen?, there are no battle lines or different color uniforms, they will kill each other regardless, majority? since when is 29% a majority? Bring them home! This was about oil and $$$$.
Bill Smith

New York, NY

#4 Oct 15, 2007
@raiders3775
Majority...latest polling shows that the majority of Americans believe that we should stay in Iraq. Notice that even Democratic frontrunners like Clinton and Obama have been reading the polls and echoing this.

Policement? Yes...exactly, we are providing security while their democracy gets their feet under them. And who says our military can only fight a conventional war with battlelines and uniforms? They will kill each other regardless? You, sir, are an elitist who is saying that the Iraqis are not worth the effort...that they do not deserve the same democratic liberties that we have. Fact is...you don't give our servicemen and women enough credit. They are winning an unconventional war...today for example there was news that Al Qaeda leadership in Iraq has been crushed a critical blow. Great news for those of us who enjoy victory...bad news for those of you who want the war to be a Vietnam since you are so very committed to our defeat. Notice the decline in American and civilian troop deaths since the surge? Damn...bad news for you too.

The pathetic thing about you peaceniks is that good news in the War on Terror, and in Iraq...good news for our nation...is bad news for you. That's a ridiculous box you anti-war types have put yourselves in, and the very reason you are being more marginalized every day. Even Democratic leaders like Clinton, Pelosi et al. have defected from the anti-war hype.

God bless our soldiers...they are winning despite the voices of "cut and run" at home. Thank God we persevere despite the hippie peaceniks at home! Carry on!
Dan Coates

Palm Bay, FL

#5 Oct 15, 2007
"Winning"? Haven't we heard that before? "There's light at the end of the tunnel". "They'er in their last throws". "Mission Accomplished". There us usually a lull before a storm!

Since: Jul 07

Webster, NY

#6 Oct 16, 2007
Mr. Smith writes "Carry on". Tell that to those from this day forward that are told that their love one has just been killed over there in the Middle East, I wonder what type of response you'd get, and this poll you speak of, was it taken inside the White House? I never read anything or heard anything about Al Queda stationed in Iraq until we "liberated" them, oh I forgot, the One that made the decision to go to war doesn't read or watch the news, he was too busy putting food on his family (his words). "Hippie" if the definition of a hippie is a tax paying, ex-military, blue collar, who believes war should never be used to enforce your beliefs onto other nations, and to secure financial gains for yourself and your friends, then I'm guilty as charged. Hope you invite me to your victory party, too bad we both won't be around for it, the Bills have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl this year.....Secure our borders, educate and take care of America, get good leadership from honest and law abiding people.....and with the rest of the world = more talk less shooting. Bring the troops home, no more Americans need to die, it could be someone you know and love. Peace out
PS...I can't be fooled again, its an Old Texas saying.
america

United States

#7 Oct 16, 2007
yes. and because there is no draft right now, these soldiers were willing to risk their lives to be in the war and help change the world.thus far, no one has been forced to join the war efforts....... As much as i'd love to see the soldiers come home, i agree with mr. smith.....if we don't finish the job now, who knows what will happen. and the soldiers who lost their lives would be forgotten in the cause that we "quit" on. we are stronger than that. it only takes one leader to make a difference, america is the leader in this case.

God bless all of the soldiers. may they be protected from danger, and may they return home safley and quickly. Always in my thoughts and prayers.

Since: Jul 07

Webster, NY

#8 Oct 17, 2007
The soldiers go to war because their unit has been deployed, not because they believe in this silly war, not too many volunteeer. If you refuse to go its called awol, and will face charges, and no pay, unless your daddy is Governor. They also fight for each other, there is a soldier's bond....we need to fix America (america from Fredonia) first, before we can police the rest of the planet, pick up the paper, or better yet drive around the Dewey Ave area in Rochester, then come back and tell me about leadership, oh yeah, just don't get out of the car. Protect the soldiers by bringing them home, then protect the borders, then we can be safe. What's next?, war with Iran?, that is where all the "bad" guys and war toys are coming from, and be careful, that will have a horrible effect, esp when Russia enters the picture, Iran supplies oil to Russia and when that pipeline stops, oh no, the start of WWIII, we need to stop being the bully. Peace Bro
Blessedbe

India

#9 Oct 17, 2007
You might find these interesting on both sides of this arguement.

http://www.courtfool.info/en_Cost_abuse_and_d...
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar...

Blessed Be
Bill Smith

New York, NY

#10 Oct 17, 2007
america...excellent post

Liberals love to pretend that soldiers were whisked out of their families, forced to join the military at gunpoint and then hate every minute of it. I know many who have been on tour in Iraq and they all tell me that morale is high..the only thing they lament is the media and hippies here who call for them to come home. It's pathetic that the troops believe in the cause, but the peacenik crowd here is all "bring them home for their own good". Trust the soldiers I say!

The "war is never the answer crowd" is foolish. Had their voice prevailed in history(thank God it FAILS NOW as it almost always has), we'd live under the Union Jack, the Nazi eagle or the Soviet hammer and sickle. Sorry, as nasty and costly as it may be, war is often the answer...there are things worth fighting for.
america

United States

#11 Oct 17, 2007
thank you bill. and as you said that there are things worth fighting for! this may be one of them

and please, i don't want anyone to get me wrong. i absolutely would love for a peaceful resolution and to bring everyone home safely......i think most people could agree with me on this.

i just don't think we can quit on a job that we started. the soldiers are there for a reason, and probably the most patriotic and willing to fight and finish what they began. my ex-boyfriend was in the army, and although he was scared of the things he had to face, and didnt necessarily want to be in the front lines of war, he defended his country and was proud to do so....all we can do now is support them and hope that they all return safely.
Blessedbe

India

#12 Oct 18, 2007
Again I urge you to look at why we are in Iraq and possibly Iran next.

http://www.courtfool.info/en_Cost_abuse_and_d ...
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar ...

The real danger is Turkey entering Iraq to protect itself from kurdish insurgents aiming to carve out a kurdish homeland in eastern Turkey and northern Iraq. Such a state threatens the whole region.
Will the coalition fight the Turkish army to defend the Iraqi kurds?
Does USA have a clue what it is doing producing a statement about Armenian genocide at this time? 75% of USA supplies enter through or over Turkey and they are likely to stop this dead.
Winning? Please define winning.
The coalition cannot leave and it cannot stay.
Any ideas?
Northern Ireland (small country located near troop bases and with democratic history) took years and years to get a settlement with IRA (terrorists or freedom fighters).
I would love to get troops out leaving a strong democratic state behind but for the life of me I cannot see how this is possible.

Blessed Be

Since: Jul 07

Webster, NY

#13 Oct 18, 2007
Leave the rootin' shootin' guns a-blazin' to Yosemite Sam, not Uncle Sam....I'm ex-military, never been to Iraq though, have a friend, Marine, was there in 04 & 05, his tank was forced to kill a young man who drove his car up to the restricted convoy, he has nightmares about it all the time, 1 out of 6 who serve over there will come home (hopefully alive and with all their limbs) and suffer from PTSD, there was no glory in that for him, and he is a tough guy....So, if you feel so strongly about it, why don't you pick up your rifle and go over? The Pentagon in 2008 plans to deploy more than 14,000 National Guard troops. I personally know that most of them are not too happy to hear this, and for some it will be their second one year tour. There is no glory in it man, only pride that your # was drawn and you answered the call. And to compare WWII, Hitler and the Nazis with Iraq and a war of insurgencies is a huge error, like I mentioned before, there are no battle lines and rules of engagement, the soldiers are forced to separate combatants from civilians. Hey, I hurt everytime I hear/read another brother has fallen, but the body count will only increase the longer we stay there, its simple logic, protect the soldiers....Protect the borders. Impeach BUSH!

Since: Jul 07

Webster, NY

#14 Oct 18, 2007
One more quick point, we can honor our soldiers' commitment and sacrifice, the wounded, and the dead by demanding the truth from those who put us there and from those who created this mess, I don't see how letting more die will accomplish anything, this type of war can not be won, weren't you alive during the Vietnam war?, or didn't you at least read about it?...
Bill Smith

New York, NY

#15 Oct 19, 2007
LOL...Vietnam. The failed mantra of the left..."Iraq is another Vietnam". Grow up. O.K. we are fighting insurgents...the correlation ends there. In Vietnam we lost 10,000s of men...no comparison to Iraq. In Vietnam we fought two enemies...guerilla and the North Vietnamese Army...no correlation to Iraq. In Vietnam we were fighting a war of containment...in Iraq we are fighting against Al Qaeda elements and Muslim extremists...the same elements that attacked us on our home soil. Again, sorry, no correlation of Vietnam to Iraq.

"Honor them by bringing them home". "Honor them by impeaching Bush". Bad news...guess where President Bush draws some his firmest support from...you guessed it, THE MILITARY! Damn, there goes your argument. And, again, many of my former students are soldiers who have come home from Iraq...many are back there for a second tour. Unanimously, they all believe in what they are doing and decry peaceniks back here who they feel undermine them in the media.

I know hippies want to relive the 60's, and teenagers find it chic to be anti-war because they don't know any better...but guess what, the majority of Americans believe in seeing this war through. In fact, even the Democratic frontrunners for President have been calling on us to stay in Iraq.

Have the Democrats who control Congress voted to de-fund the war? No...because they know that Americans support the troops by supporting the cause.
Chloe

Naples, FL

#16 Oct 20, 2007
Winning? Tell all of the families that we are winning? Do you think they feel that we've won anything?
The only one who's absolutely thrilled about the war are the Bushes.
We all know it's the soldier's choice to enlist or not. If there was a reason for the war, it wouldn't be so discouraging that all these kid's have died over there fighting for our rights. But it isn't about that this time. Bush being a greedy SOB and wanting to control everything is no reason for our young men and women to lose their lives.
Thank GOD '08 is right around the corner. This has been the longest 7 years ever!

Since: Jun 07

S.W. Florida

#17 Oct 20, 2007
While I agree that just pulling out unfinished would be a shame after all of the hard work that our soldiers put into it, but it just seems like such a waste of human life. It's so heartbreaking to read the paper about another soldier that has died and looking at their pictures...They're so oyung and had a whole life in front of them that was cut short...
I have always stood behind our Republican's but George Bush has given me serious doubts...
Bill Smith

New York, NY

#18 Oct 20, 2007
Yes death in war is tragic...but that doesn't mean its pointless or a waste. It is sad when young men die...but how far greater the tragedy if we did not take the war to our enemies...and waited for preventable deaths on our home soil with another 9-11. Plus, are not the human rights of Iraqis worth our soldiers' lives too? We have sacrificed for the liberties of others many times in our history...are we to consider the Iraqis undeserving of democracy and civil rights? How sad if we left and condemned them to tyranny.
CCS

Naples, FL

#19 Oct 21, 2007
First of all, we are not fighting that war because of 9/11.
9/11 and the Iraq was are 2 seperate things. George Bush used the timing to his benefit so the Americans would be so distraught, we would welcome going anywhere over that way and start dropping bombs on the people who did that to us. Anyone who thinks the war we're in has something to do with Osama Bin Laden, either hasn't been paying attention or has been brainwashed by the president.
Second of all- The Iraqis do not want us over there 'helping' them. The majority hates our guts and wants us to get the HELL out of there and leave them alone.
Bush has screwed this thing up so badly that he doesn't even know how to end it so he just keeps it going.
The reason he was re-elected was because we wanted him to finish this rediculous was he started. His term is almost up and there is still no end in sight. Now he'll be leaving his mess for the next guy to try to straighten out.

Since: Jul 07

Webster, NY

#20 Oct 22, 2007
its all about the oil, hope no one here has a long drive into work, by spring 08 gasoline prices will be over $3.50 per gallon, crude oil has passed $90 per barrel, bad news for the hard-working average joe American (me), great news for those with oil interests (guess who?), and now attack Iran and that crude oil barrel soars over $100 per barrel, hummmm?????....I hope that anyone I know and love never has to sacrifice their life for Iraqi freedom like others suggest on this thread...let Iraqi's fight their own war, if this war was about Iraqi freedom and human rights, don't you think many other countries would be in this too? Bring Americans home, secure the borders, save American lives. Impeach Bush, send the Bushies over there to fight, he did this. How many more American lives need to be lost for Iraqi freedom? Anyone who believes in this war, just wait until it touches you, someone you care about, you'll change your drum beat FAST!! Support the troops by bringing them home and secure our country, spend American tax $ on fixing US infrastructure etc. Why isn't losing 4000 American lives just as horrific as losing over 50,000 in Vietnam?, war is not a #'s game, its about what has been accomplished, and this is the similarity between this war and Vietnam, nothing can be won when the people you are fighting for don't want the "help", they know why America is there, and why America isn't in Central Africa helping those people, NO OIL there,.

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