Labor faces a moment of truth

Full story: TwinCities.com

As organized labor hails an unprecedented moment of unity playing out amid a sea of supporters marching in Madison, Wis., union officials elsewhere are quietly wringing their hands about the risks of a high-stakes and historic loss against Gov.
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McCarthy was right

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Even the left’s hero, Franklin D. Roosevelt, opposed Public (Government) Unions.

He wrote to Luther C. Steward, President, National Federation of Federal Employees:

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations.”

“Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable."
You are fired

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Steve wrote:
Fire half of them right now. The other half will piss their pants and probably put in a full day's work, making up for the other half that were fired. Now that's workforce motivation!
ha,ha ha,ha, I'm not sure what's funnier, this comment or the visual of the screaming idiots jumping over their hateful signs while running back to the SEIU buses.... with a big wet spot in the groin area.

“I am always right.”

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Wizconie wrote:
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Obama is who has made this all possible. Had he not jammed through his healthcare disaster and ignited the voters, the GOP would have never had all 3 houses in WI. I guess short term pain can really be for long term gain. Obama just might be the one who sinks the democrats for generations.
You are a wise person. It is Mr. Obama that energized the people. Maybe that Hope and Change thing is not all bad.
General Liggum

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What would happen if a pay-scale program were adopted in the Schools....I am saddened that such educated people have to be like blue-collare workers and hide behind a union steward.

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I am truly shocked at the levels of idiocy and historical doof-ishness found in these comments.
Some folks need to wake up to history and realize WHY there are unions.
Really, you sound like absolute idiots.
McCarthy was right

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An Old Radio Guy wrote:
I am truly shocked at the levels of idiocy and historical doof-ishness found in these comments.
Some folks need to wake up to history and realize WHY there are unions.
Really, you sound like absolute idiots.
Speaking of idiocy and historical doof-ishness, even FDR, dedicated leftist that he was, understood that allowing public employees collective bargaining rights is a stupid, stupid thing to do.

As we've seen in state after state and in the federal government, all it accomplishes is political patronage and sweetheart deals.

“I am always right.”

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An Old Radio Guy wrote:
I am truly shocked at the levels of idiocy and historical doof-ishness found in these comments.
Some folks need to wake up to history and realize WHY there are unions.
Really, you sound like absolute idiots.
The argument is not whether there ought to be unions. That is for the workers and their employer to decide - at least those in the private sector.

The argument is whether the State of Wisconsin employees ought to have the freedom of choice to belong to a union or not.

The secondary argument is whether public sector unions ought to be outlawed.
the troll

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Jane wrote:
Yes, it's a moment of truth.
The truth is, there's no more money.
Yeah, it went to the hedge fund managers, military contractors and the super rich. Now the working class has been pitted against each other for a few table scraps.
Tom Block Highland Park

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Labor, Public Sector labor, that is will learn the cold hard facts that if you are NOT AN INDUSTRY, and if you are subsidized by tax payer dollars that you will be beholden to responsible legislators when there is no more government money. Democrats and Unions just do not want to acknowledge this truism.
Tom Block Highland Park

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You are a wise person. It is Mr. Obama that energized the people. Maybe that Hope and Change thing is not all bad.
Pull your head out of your backside "Irish." Read it and weep, Barry is back in trouble and public opinion is against the Democrats.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_conten...
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Albert Shanker: "When school children start paying union dues, that's when I’ll start representing the interests of school children."
Albert Shanker (September 14, 1928 – February 22, 1997) was President of the United Federation of Teachers from 1964 to 1984 as well as President of the American Federation of Teachers from 1974 to 1997.

I love that guy !
LETS GO WILD

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An Old Radio Guy wrote:
I am truly shocked at the levels of idiocy and historical doof-ishness found in these comments.
Some folks need to wake up to history and realize WHY there are unions.
Really, you sound like absolute idiots.
Tell us dumdum. What value to the general public does unions in our public sector provide??? What do the taxpayers get, higher taxes, unfunded pensions and poor service. Be honest there is no need for unions in public sector govt jobs.

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Yeah, it went to the hedge fund managers, military contractors and the super rich. Now the working class has been pitted against each other for a few table scraps.
I don't care what a hedge fund manager, or an NBA star makes because I don't pay his salary....unless, of course, the government steps in an bails him out when he fails. Which doesn't sit well with me, either. Times are bad, the public unions have to sacrifice like everyone else does.

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Tom Block Highland Park wrote:
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Pull your head out of your backside "Irish." Read it and weep, Barry is back in trouble and public opinion is against the Democrats.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_conten...
Holy smokes Tom, that is exactly what I was saying.

Obama has energized the Conservatives and it is our turn for some Hope and Change.
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An Old Radio Guy wrote:
I am truly shocked at the levels of idiocy and historical doof-ishness found in these comments.
Some folks need to wake up to history and realize WHY there are unions.
Really, you sound like absolute idiots.
Why there are unions? Because it's 1910?

Labor laws have been in place for decades. If unions are SO important, why is union membership 7%?
Have a mortgage too

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As a taxpayer and a State employee, I am proud of the service I provide, I work hard for my pay and I don't earn a high wage. I haven't had a raise in 4 years and don't expect one either. I have high co-pays and deductables for my medical and dental just like everyone else. I pay 15% into my pension. As State employee's we don't receive bonuses and holiday parties and any other perk's the private sector may or may not receive. We are held to a higher standard of ethics because of where we work. I love my job and happily serve and am grateful to have a job, but please remember, your public employees are union workers who provide services to make your life easier, police, fire, plowing, teaching your children etc etc etc. We all have to pay our taxes and we don't have to like it but it is necessary to provide the standard of living we all expect. Quit bashing public employee's. We are people just like you.
Nurse Lynne

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outcome wrote:
No matter the outcome - the Unions have already lost.
They lack public support, thier membership nationawide is less than 7% of the population, members don't want to pay bosses.
The public is sick of your whining. Those of you crying the loudest are the ones that feel entitled, unlike those that are continuing to do what they were hired to do. Too many ACSME, SEIU types become union activist only to the detriment of thier job performance.
Return to work WI Democrats - you already lost.
How sad that the wealthy people who helped elect the governor are the ones who will be the real winners. They have succeeded in turning lower and middle class workers against each other by promoting jealousy of unions. A union salary is a LIVING wage, not the huse salaries, bonuses and golden parachutes of management. It should be workers vs. management, not workers vs. workers!!! Union wages help to lift the wages of everyone.
proud union craftsman

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How quickly we forget. It was labor unions, after the turn of the 20th century that gave us the 40 hr workweek, weekends off, and better working conditions. Things the "average working person" takes for granted today in the U.S. Nearly two-thirds off all workers in the U.S. today said they would organize or join a union but they either can't or are afraid to organize for fear of job loss. Is this where we want our country to go? Be like the great labor producers of the Pacific, making peanuts and having to withstand harsh conditions?

We wouldn't need unions if employers paid people fairly. Government unions were formed because gov't workers for many years were making less than private sector workers. Unfortunately, since the mid-70's private sector workers have lost their unions more than government workers have, and therein lies the imbalance and, unfortunately, the jealousy that private sector workers have towards public sector workers.

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Fire them all.

Cut the federal subsidy.

http://www.cnsnews.com/print/81647

"The federal government gave $669.6 million to the public schools in Wisconsin in fiscal 2008, according to the Department of Education’s National Center for Education Statistics (NCES).

Because of this federal subsidy, taxpayers in the 49 other states make a handsome contribution to the salary and benefits packages of Wisconsin school teachers."
the bottom line hurts

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According to the Legislative Fiscal Bureau:

* Public employers (WI taxpayers) contributed almost $1.37 billion to the state’s pension fund in 2009, while employees contributed about $8 million, or about 0.6 percent.
* From 2000 to 2009, taxpayers spent about $12.6 billion on public employee pensions. During the same period, public employees contributed $55.4 million.

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