(Gov) Doyle (D, WI) Signs Bill Requiring Sex Ed Classes to Prom...

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Bumm Scratch

United States

#1 May 24, 2006
Sounds like that is the solution, it will win hearts and minds of the book bangers...
beejay

India

#2 May 24, 2006
Sounds like 1950s education style! Welcome to the good old days!!!
Tara

Sioux Falls, SD

#3 May 24, 2006
It's about time someone steps up to the plate and focuses on the core issue -- abstinence is the MOST EFFECTIVE WAY to prevent pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. Obviously glorifying and promoting teen sex isn't working on either level.

I firmly agree:

"Rather than teaching that condoms and birth control pills are acceptable modes of behavior, students will be taught they're not safe, acceptable or healthy and what is acceptable is abstinence."

"... sex education teachers can still teach about forms of birth control, but they must emphasize that abstinence is the only 100 percent effective method to avoid health risks. She said a new approach was needed because sex education classes in the state have failed to cut the rate of teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases." ~ Sen. Mary Lazich

And with a 24-9 approval -- amazing!
beejay

UK

#4 May 24, 2006
Tara wrote:
It's about time someone steps up to the plate and focuses on the core issue -- abstinence is the MOST EFFECTIVE WAY to prevent pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. Obviously glorifying and promoting teen sex isn't working on either level.
I firmly agree:
"Rather than teaching that condoms and birth control pills are acceptable modes of behavior, students will be taught they're not safe, acceptable or healthy and what is acceptable is abstinence."
"... sex education teachers can still teach about forms of birth control, but they must emphasize that abstinence is the only 100 percent effective method to avoid health risks. She said a new approach was needed because sex education classes in the state have failed to cut the rate of teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases." ~ Sen. Mary Lazich
And with a 24-9 approval -- amazing!
What is wrong with birth control pill??
ami

United States

#5 May 24, 2006
Teaching abstinence to kids is GREAT. It is what EVERY SINGLE teenager should choose- even though some don't. Having sex before you are emotionally and physically mature is just a bad idea.

However, if you tell kids at a young age that birth control is all bad, that it is dangerous, that it is immoral, and you cloud the facts with judgement, you might as well be teaching kids nothing at all.
Kids are smart, and when they find out that adults have deceieved them, they will disregard everything else an adult has told them.
Birth control IS safe, and when used properly it will prevent pregnancy and some methods will prevent STDs. Kids need to learn the ENTIRE TRUTH, or we might as well just eliminate all sex ed.

Kids learn values from their parents, and if their parents choose to tell them that their religioin forbids birth control or premarital sex, fine let the parents teach that. But at their public school, kids need facts- about abstinence AND birth control.
cktirumalai

Washington, DC

#6 May 24, 2006
Abstinence has to reckon with the old truth that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Bridging that gulf takes maturity, sometimes the work of a lifetime. And youngsters are -- well, young, and need a lot of assistance, from parents as well as teachers. (When Sophocles, the Greek dramatist was asked in old age whether he regretted the weakening of his libido, he said that he did not and added that it was like being set free from bondage to a group of mad men.) To know sexual biology need not mean that one acts on it.
Danielle

United States

#7 May 24, 2006
ami wrote:
Teaching abstinence to kids is GREAT. It is what EVERY SINGLE teenager should choose- even though some don't. Having sex before you are emotionally and physically mature is just a bad idea.
However, if you tell kids at a young age that birth control is all bad, that it is dangerous, that it is immoral, and you cloud the facts with judgement, you might as well be teaching kids nothing at all.
Kids are smart, and when they find out that adults have deceieved them, they will disregard everything else an adult has told them.
Birth control IS safe, and when used properly it will prevent pregnancy and some methods will prevent STDs. Kids need to learn the ENTIRE TRUTH, or we might as well just eliminate all sex ed.
Kids learn values from their parents, and if their parents choose to tell them that their religioin forbids birth control or premarital sex, fine let the parents teach that. But at their public school, kids need facts- about abstinence AND birth control.
Could not have said it better myself. Ami, once again I feel your reply totally represents how I feel.

And thanks for not laughing at me earlier ; )
mcgyver

Davis, CA

#8 May 24, 2006
In Kalifornia we teach you to be Homosexual. That way you can NEVER get pregnant
beejay

India

#9 May 24, 2006
mcgyver wrote:
In Kalifornia we teach you to be Homosexual. That way you can NEVER get pregnant
Think Kalifornia takes on a new meaning here!!
Tara

Sioux Falls, SD

#10 May 24, 2006
I knew there was a reason for never even having the desire to visit! My sixth-sense was obviously warning me of unknown dangers![kidding]
Danielle

United States

#11 May 24, 2006
mcgyver wrote:
In Kalifornia we teach you to be Homosexual. That way you can NEVER get pregnant
I think they should actually teach that being homosexual is not wrong or bad. That it is part of the wide, beautiful spectrum called sexuality.
ami

United States

#12 May 24, 2006
Tara wrote:
I knew there was a reason for never even having the desire to visit! My sixth-sense was obviously warning me of unknown dangers![kidding]
You'd be missing out if you never visited. CA is one of the most beautiful states in the union, truly breathtaking coastal views- and the redwoods!! Wow, everyone should see it.
mcgyver

Davis, CA

#13 May 24, 2006
ami wrote:
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You'd be missing out if you never visited. CA is one of the most beautiful states in the union, truly breathtaking coastal views- and the redwoods!! Wow, everyone should see it.
It does have a lot to offer. The only thing is we are missing some toes because we tend to shoot ourselves in the foot often
Tara

Sioux Falls, SD

#14 May 24, 2006
ami wrote:
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You'd be missing out if you never visited. CA is one of the most beautiful states in the union, truly breathtaking coastal views- and the redwoods!! Wow, everyone should see it.
I really was only kidding, being sarcastic to previous post. It does sound like a beautiful place to visit.
beejay

India

#15 May 24, 2006
mcgyver wrote:
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It does have a lot to offer. The only thing is we are missing some toes because we tend to shoot ourselves in the foot often
You have a good sense of humour. California is a fun state to visit. Been there and would love to go back. The sun actually shines! Unlike the UK.
american by proxy

Dresden, Germany

#16 May 24, 2006
Great job Wisconsin. Showing kids that morality is a viable option is a step in the right direction. Let's hope the parents follow up the teachings.
Tara

Sioux Falls, SD

#17 May 24, 2006
A post on another thread has reminded me (like a slap in the face) as to "why" I object to some levels of sex education in the classroom. To set the scene .. we have a 16 year old male posting his beliefs on the importance of abstinence, pre-marital sex, etc. and a so-called 'adult' responding to him like this:
Danielle wrote:
Look, a man can do ALL of those things as well as a woman. Just because YOUR father did not, does not mean that men are not as capable of doing all those things you mentioned. The reason you do not see it as much is because of people like you in your religion that teaches that that is "women's work" and that a man should/could not do it as well. This is just another way for you to keep women as second class citizens that won't question authority.
If you are not getting a proper education (and I think thats a pretty safe assumption) because your mom isnt home enough, you should NOT be home schooled. Period. The only reason to home school a kid is to keep them protected from reality. Which is really not going to help you in life in the long run.
Your young and sheltered. You'll grow up and see that nothing is certain, and to assign yourself to such ritualistic dogma might not be the best course of action.
Now while the post itself won't make much sense to most of you on this thread, but it may help you to understand my position. It scares the hell out of me to think that a teacher has the potential to interject his/her own personal, religious, moral beliefs into the material she is teaching our kids - beliefs that may be the total and complete opposite of what some of us are trying to teach our kids at home. Any of you who keep up on current events KNOW this happens A LOT. Just recently a teacher was reprimanded for asking students to write a paper on "who" they would kill and "how" for example.

If I have a child that is being taught at home that abstincence is the best way to keep them safe (even if they are also being taught the importance of birth control), they go to school and some teacher responds to their questions about the difference in what they are being taught at home with regard to abstinence and tells them what they are being taught at home is absolute crap - what do you think this is going to do?
ami

United States

#18 May 24, 2006
Tara wrote:
A post on another thread has reminded me (like a slap in the face) as to "why" I object to some levels of sex education in the classroom. To set the scene .. we have a 16 year old male posting his beliefs on the importance of abstinence, pre-marital sex, etc. and a so-called 'adult' responding to him like this:
<quoted text>
Now while the post itself won't make much sense to most of you on this thread, but it may help you to understand my position. It scares the hell out of me to think that a teacher has the potential to interject his/her own personal, religious, moral beliefs into the material she is teaching our kids - beliefs that may be the total and complete opposite of what some of us are trying to teach our kids at home. Any of you who keep up on current events KNOW this happens A LOT. Just recently a teacher was reprimanded for asking students to write a paper on "who" they would kill and "how" for example.
If I have a child that is being taught at home that abstincence is the best way to keep them safe (even if they are also being taught the importance of birth control), they go to school and some teacher responds to their questions about the difference in what they are being taught at home with regard to abstinence and tells them what they are being taught at home is absolute crap - what do you think this is going to do?
A good teacher would not tell the students that any belief system is "absolute crap". If a student comes to school, though, and asks during a science or sex ed lesson if what they've heard at home is that birth control pills are the same as the abortion pill and that all of them kill babies and women and is this correct? then the teacher has an obligation to lead an AGE APPROPRIATE discussion on the differences and the scientific facts on both. If this is a private, Catholic school where birth control is considered wrong, then the teacher has every right to say that the Church teaches that the use of either is wrong. IF it is a public school, the teacher is perfectly justified in stating the full truth about either and inviting kids to ask their own families how they feel about this issue when they get home. Its no teacher's responsibility to interject whether they personally agree with or oppose either method.
Danielle

United States

#19 May 24, 2006
Tara wrote:
A post on another thread has reminded me (like a slap in the face) as to "why" I object to some levels of sex education in the classroom. To set the scene .. we have a 16 year old male posting his beliefs on the importance of abstinence, pre-marital sex, etc. and a so-called 'adult' responding to him like this:
<quoted text>
Now while the post itself won't make much sense to most of you on this thread, but it may help you to understand my position. It scares the hell out of me to think that a teacher has the potential to interject his/her own personal, religious, moral beliefs into the material she is teaching our kids - beliefs that may be the total and complete opposite of what some of us are trying to teach our kids at home. Any of you who keep up on current events KNOW this happens A LOT. Just recently a teacher was reprimanded for asking students to write a paper on "who" they would kill and "how" for example.
If I have a child that is being taught at home that abstincence is the best way to keep them safe (even if they are also being taught the importance of birth control), they go to school and some teacher responds to their questions about the difference in what they are being taught at home with regard to abstinence and tells them what they are being taught at home is absolute crap - what do you think this is going to do?
I never said ANYTHING about sex education in the particular post that you are quoting! I never said anything about sex at all to that kid. The only think I said was that maybe the particular gender roles that his religion teaches arent necessarily correct.

And if you were a good parent you would realize that you cant control everything your kid hears or sees. You have to give them the information you think is correct and hope that they make the right choices.

And no teacher would ever say "what your parents are teaching you is crap" if they hoped to be a teacher for much longer.

Your totally losing it Tara.
Tara

Sioux Falls, SD

#20 May 24, 2006
ami wrote:
A good teacher would not tell the students that any belief system is "absolute crap". If a student comes to school, though, and asks during a science or sex ed lesson if what they've heard at home is that birth control pills are the same as the abortion pill and that all of them kill babies and women and is this correct? then the teacher has an obligation to lead an AGE APPROPRIATE discussion on the differences and the scientific facts on both. If this is a private, Catholic school where birth control is considered wrong, then the teacher has every right to say that the Church teaches that the use of either is wrong. IF it is a public school, the teacher is perfectly justified in stating the full truth about either and inviting kids to ask their own families how they feel about this issue when they get home. Its no teacher's responsibility to interject whether they personally agree with or oppose either method.
I agree with that in theory, but it's not at all realistic. Teachers DO offer their personal opinions and DO cross that line all too often. It is very concerning for Christian parents. We were "put in our place" and denied rights to prayer, recital of the Pledge of Allegiance was banned, etc. in the public school systems, because one individual took offense to the differences in their beliefs - why are we expected to step back and allow others to cross that line with our children? Especially on such highly important issues?

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