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Hope

Claremont, NH

#1 Dec 15, 2012
The God Delusion - by Richard Dawkins
Hope

Claremont, NH

#2 Dec 16, 2012
“One of the truly bad effects of religion is that it teaches us that it is a virtue to be satisfied with not understanding.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#3 Dec 16, 2012
Dawkins is a prominent critic of creationism (the religious belief that humanity, life, and the universe were created by a deity[62] without recourse to evolution[63]).

Well, so maybe the world's idea what God is, the connective of religions and beliefs of what generates what god is our heads, is defective. That doesn't mean there isn't a better model of what god truly is?

Increasingly for enlightened peoples of the world there is no space between science and god...they are one and the same, there is only one.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#4 Dec 16, 2012
the collective of religions and beliefs of what generates what god is our heads, is defective.
OccupyReality

Brattleboro, VT

#5 Dec 16, 2012
Hope wrote:
“One of the truly bad effects of religion is that it teaches us that it is a virtue to be satisfied with not understanding.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
Nice try but FALSE. No one is satisfied with not understanding. There are many people who care not to understand many things but very few of it relates to religion. Atheists are satisfied with their lack of understanding of religious people.
Hope

Claremont, NH

#6 Dec 16, 2012
"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate,
contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and
unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the
discomfort of thought."

-John F Kennedy
reason

Claremont, NH

#7 Dec 16, 2012
Mike Mulligan wrote:
Increasingly for enlightened peoples of the world there is no space between science and god...they are one and the same, there is only one.
Science and god are quite incompatible, the majority of enlightened people recognize this, which is why scientists are overwhelmingly atheists.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#8 Dec 16, 2012
That is just not true.
isnt it

Claremont, NH

#9 Dec 16, 2012
Mike Mulligan wrote:
That is just not true.
Scientists and Religion
http://scienceblogs.com/evolutionblog/2010/05...
Posted by jrosenhouse on May 20, 2010

"I have now had a chance to read Elaine Howard Ecklund’s new book Science vs. Relgion: What Scientists Really Think. It is worth reading, despite her annoying decision to include social scientists, but not mathematicians, in her definition of “scienitst.” I also did not care for her obvious preference for those scientists willing to talk sweetly about religion, but what can you do?

Most interesting to me were the statistics she gathered regarding the religious beliefs of scientists at major American research universities. The picture I had prior to reading this book was that scientists were vastly more likely than the public generally to be nonreligious, and that where you did find religion it would be mostly of the theologically liberal sort. That picture is overwhelmingly confirmed by Ecklund’s data.

Asked about their beliefs in God, 34% chose “I don’t believe in God,” while 30% chose,“I do not know if there is a God, and there is no way to find out.” That’s 64% who are atheist or agnostic, as compared to just 6% of the general public.

An additional 8% opted for,“I believe in a higher power, but it is not God.” That makes 72% of scientists who are explicitly non-theistic in their religious views (compared to 16% of the public generally.) Pretty stark." ...
Scientist

Claremont, NH

#10 Dec 16, 2012
" Religion has run out of justifications. Thanks to the telescope and the microscope, it no longer offers an explanation of anything important. Where once it used to be able, by its total command of a worldview, to prevent the emergence of rivals, it can now only impede and retard—or try to turn back—the measurable advances that we have made.

Sometimes, true, it will artfully concede them. But this is to offer itself the choice between irrelevance and obstruction, impotence or outright reaction, and, given this choice, it is programmed to select the worse of the two.

Meanwhile, confronted with undreamed-of vistas inside our own evolving cortex, in the farthest reaches of the known universe, and in proteins and acids which constitute our nature, religion offers either annihilation in the name of god, or else the false promise that if we take a knife to our foreskins, or pray in the right direction, or ingest pieces of wafer, we shall be “saved.”"

-Christopher Hitchens
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#11 Dec 16, 2012
So how can I know you or trust you, if all you do is throw the bones of old white men platitudes at me.
reason

Claremont, NH

#12 Dec 16, 2012
Mike Mulligan wrote:
So how can I know you or trust you, if all you do is throw the bones of old white men platitudes at me.
I think you may want to look up the definition of platitude.
What does it matter if I use other peoples words if we share an opinion? Most good writers are better at writing it than me, I am just being efficient.
knowledge

Claremont, NH

#13 Dec 16, 2012
The essence of Christianity is told us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the tree of knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on. Frank Zappa
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#14 Dec 16, 2012
reason wrote:
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I think you may want to look up the definition of platitude.
What does it matter if I use other peoples words if we share an opinion? Most good writers are better at writing it than me, I am just being efficient.
I stand by my word platitudes.
reason

Claremont, NH

#15 Dec 16, 2012
Mike Mulligan wrote:
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I stand by my word platitudes.
I am sad for you then.
reason

Claremont, NH

#16 Dec 16, 2012
Raise a man to serve god, and he may do good. Raise one to serve mankind and he certainly will. Michael Wagner
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#17 Dec 16, 2012
knowledge wrote:
The essence of Christianity is told us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the tree of knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on. Frank Zappa
Well, Zappa smokes too much dope. Suffering is the price of choice, modernity and enlightenment. I think the bible got it wrong with their interpretation of the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve are our greatest heroes....all of modernity is built on their choice in the garden. Shouldn't all parents celebrate that first time a child defies them and begins to state their free will and independence. Isn't all of the travails of raising a child about giving them the gift of independence. They made a choice own causing them to leave the security of the garden...I think god celebrates that couple as what the best of humanity can produce.

That is why god loves atheist...aren't they perfect little darlings...

SusieQs Holy Trintity

Brattleboro, VT

#18 Dec 16, 2012
...isn't Truth Reason & Knowledge but...
Darwin Dawkins & Hitchens

and cultist Q will keep on annoying all by evangelizing her faith in one thread after another
Unholy Trollity
well

Claremont, NH

#19 Dec 16, 2012
Mike Mulligan wrote:
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I think god celebrates that couple as what the best of humanity can produce.
That wasn't celebration.
well

Claremont, NH

#20 Dec 16, 2012
Morals are not taught in the bible, obedience is. Dustin Rgnonti

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