VY closed to fix leak

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The Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant remains off-line as technicians try to repair a leak found Saturday.
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Nov 9, 2010
 
So, from the anti-nuclear "experts", we have two wrong calls. Shadis was wrong about the nature of the problem that caused the leak, and Lochbaum was wrong about age being a factor in the failure of the four-year-old transformer.

Yet they are still quoted at length in this article, even after subsequent information has shown them to be wrong. Why is that? In order to make a story out of a non-event, perhaps?
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Nov 9, 2010
 
If Shadis was a commercial aviation "expert" no one would be flying today...
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Nov 9, 2010
 
you guys are totally missing the point. Can't you read; the headlines say they are closed today. They are trying a new plan to work 6 days a week and close on Monday and next month they are going to have half off sales and even closeout specials and seasonal rates leftovers. Start looking for coupons and 2 for 1 deals on prepaid rates. Coming soon to your utility co soon. The Editor of this Brattleboro Enquirer Check out the sleazy pictures and storied on page 6. opps that the N Y paper.
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Nov 9, 2010
 
they better straighten this out before I move there.....is this plant closing or what?

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Nov 11, 2010
 
sandra wrote:
they better straighten this out before I move there.....is this plant closing or what?
I do not believe it will be relicensed even if sold. Sale is an attempt to override senate vote & circumvent the states decision.

In todays Rutland Herald, there is a story about another delay.

Those opposing plant have asked for a delay of PSB continuing hearings re VYs culpability b/c of leak & a couple of separate issues. They say their expert witnesses will not be available at the time hearing was scheduled. This will cause a small backlog, esp if other unrelated cases need to be heard.

Of course Entergy not happy b/c this throws another monkey wrench into efforts to move forward to sell or relicense plant.

Senate voted overwhelmingly, 26-4 to not renew license & close plant on schedule. House has no plans to revisit the vote as results of VY POP Supplemental Report is claimed as validation of vote.

Plant continues to crumble & have leaks, events, mishaps & issues.

As the nation turned red, VT went bluer. Legislature still holds veto-proof democratic majority & progressive dem gov who unanimously oppose continued operation of plant.

If plant sold, legislative approval needed. PSB, DPS/PSD approval needed. It is likely Shumlin will replace those agency heads who served as off-the-books staff for Entergy & have been notoriously underhanded.

Shumlin would have to sign the bill if there was a favorable vote.

Entergy, VY & Ministry of Propaganda for VT, VTEP continue their desperate attempts sway public opinion, flooding message boards & forums w/e-thugs, sockpuppets, lobbyists & trolls as public opinion is key to moving forward as wel as major issue re finding a buyer.
http://www.vtep.org

It's not working.

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Nov 11, 2010
 
Joffan wrote:
So, from the anti-nuclear "experts", we have two wrong calls. Shadis was wrong about the nature of the problem that caused the leak, and Lochbaum was wrong about age being a factor in the failure of the four-year-old transformer.
Yet they are still quoted at length in this article, even after subsequent information has shown them to be wrong. Why is that? In order to make a story out of a non-event, perhaps?
A link or source? I have not heard thet one.
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sandra wrote:
they better straighten this out before I move there.....is this plant closing or what?
May want to think twice about moving here. VY will eventually close it is not a matter of if, but when. Once that happens Hydro Quebec will be the biggest game in town. You know what happens when someone has what you so deprerately need,$$$$$. Already in So. Vermont CVPS is asking for an 8% rates in rates. When VY closes, I leave you to ponder the results.

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Nov 11, 2010
 
Concerned wrote:
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May want to think twice about moving here. VY will eventually close it is not a matter of if, but when. Once that happens Hydro Quebec will be the biggest game in town. You know what happens when someone has what you so deprerately need,$$$$$. Already in So. Vermont CVPS is asking for an 8% rates in rates. When VY closes, I leave you to ponder the results.
"You know what happens when someone has what you so deprerately need,$$$$$."

You mean like what Entergy did when it jacked its price up 50% or more & added regular, incremental, annual compounded price increases???

Fact: Elec utilities must go to PSB & *ask* for rate increases, Entergy included a variable compound interest like 'tax' on the price so they do not need to do this, this variable, not fixed. rate increase is included.

Information misleading, incorrect & facts distorted as usual.

Elec. utilities have always periodically asked for rate increases.

I see no one blamed Entergy/VY or any other producer before.

Fact: Rates will go up whether VY stays or goes. They will go up less w/H-Q. They have kept their rate the same & offered a 26 yr contract which Douglas, Dubie, PSD/DPS, legistature & elec utilities all are happy with.

The volatility mechanism protects both parties from market fluctuations only.

Legislature & elec. utilities unanimously rejected Entergy contract. Only Entergy, VY & supporters think it is a good deal, b/c it is-for them.

Entergy cut amount it will sell to VT 33%, raised rate by 50%, so it does not matter where VT gets it, it's going up.

The devil is in the details. Cost rises minimum of 3% yearly. It could go higher. There is no cap that I know of.

At that rate alone, the price will increase yearly & VT will be paying @ least $80/MW in ten years, more if the amount goes higher & there is nothing stopping it from rising, which is why it was rejected.

VT will end up financing VYs neverending repairs, pay more for power when they are shut down for repairs or malfundtions, continued raises & legacy costs for union's six figure paychecks.

If the plant cannot operate for whatever reason, VT will have lost the contract price w/H-Q & will end up paying *much* more.
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All I am saying is that when VY closes, since there is no in-state capacity to replace it, we will see our rates increase and keep increasing. As to the PSB approving rates-again I say if HQ is the biggest game in town and we need the energy, I can see where the PSB would have a difficult time not accpeting whatever HQ wishes to charge.
As to the future, because of the lack of in-state sources, which will be built, eventually, and the upgrading of the Grid, we will see our rates skyrocket. The issue to me is not whether VY stays open or closes-it is the issue of not having resources IN PLACE and having to depend on not only out of state resources, but out of country resources for our energy. Those are jobs we will not ave here, and Vermont with its aging population growing and high percentage of classified disabled person will be in on hell of a bind. If that is distorted and misleading well so be it. Again if you are starving and someone has the only apples in town, just how much are you willing to pay for them?

In case any one is interested here are the national electric rates:
Average Retail Price of Electricity to Ultimate Customers by End-Use Sector, by State
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/...

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Nov 11, 2010
 
Concerned wrote:
All I am saying is that when VY closes, since there is no in-state capacity to replace it, we will see our rates increase and keep increasing. As to the PSB approving rates-again I say if HQ is the biggest game in town and we need the energy, I can see where the PSB would have a difficult time not accpeting whatever HQ wishes to charge.
As to the future, because of the lack of in-state sources, which will be built, eventually, and the upgrading of the Grid, we will see our rates skyrocket. The issue to me is not whether VY stays open or closes-it is the issue of not having resources IN PLACE and having to depend on not only out of state resources, but out of country resources for our energy. Those are jobs we will not ave here, and Vermont with its aging population growing and high percentage of classified disabled person will be in on hell of a bind. If that is distorted and misleading well so be it. Again if you are starving and someone has the only apples in town, just how much are you willing to pay for them?
In case any one is interested here are the national electric rates:
Average Retail Price of Electricity to Ultimate Customers by End-Use Sector, by State
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/...
You & others who support Entergy/VY seem to think no one has thought of the things you are using to fearmonger & distort the truth that VT would pay *much* more w/Entergy contract.

Are you aware that there are ppl who make a living doing this?

Rates *will* in fact go up again & again w/Entergy contract, as the regular annual increase based on an unknown quantity, therefore a fictitious number which goes no where but up.

So much for claiming the opposite true when in fact what we get from H-Q is fixed *for 26 years* starting in 2012. This is why we have contracts.

'We' do not have any in-house capacity. VT utilities do not own the plant anymore where have you been.'We' have a corrupt company which refused to give VT any incentive for hosting plant & a contract that starts higher than H-Q & continually rises yearly by an amount that is unknown & to my knowledge-no cap.

Wrong again & more distortions. VT elec utilities *do* have their own in-state projects & are not sweating this-you & VY employees are sweating b/c it means VT & NE do not need VY.

Two facilities are seeking approval in Pownal. The biomass plant would produce 30MW of that 90MW VT needs.

VT just got grants to build & troubleshoot SmartGrid technology.

Associated Press - November 11, 2010 8:05 AM ET

BURLINGTON, Vt.(AP)- Officials in Vermont are hoping $590,000 in grants will help the state become the first to build a so-called "smart grid" to deliver electrical power more reliably and efficiently.
more:
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp...

1. VT is not asking or recieving any more from H-Q than we already do. That H-Q is *able* to supply us all we need does not mean elec. utilities are requesting or need this. Utilities chose to diversify partly for this very reason.

2. VT elec utilities have been actively planning for future w/o VY for nearly three years & have secured all but 90/MW with 16 mo left to go. If Entergy breaks or bails, VT can temporarily go to spot market.

3. PSB will approve the deal if it is a good value for VTers.
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Nov 11, 2010
 
Stardust misses the mark again. First, the Entergy offer was on par with the HQ deal. Yes, Entergy's offer was a 50% increase. We have seen that spouted over and over. It only seems high until you realize that it had been providing power for well below the going rate anywhere in the northeast. Going from 4 cents to 6 was still a great deal.
Yes, it is true that today, on a relatively warm day, there is an excess of power. But did you look at the surplus during the hottest days this past summer? Guess what, a loss of VY on those days would have resulted in rolling brownouts or blackouts. Little VY is the 10th largest generator on the NE grid. The coldest days of the year are coming. Watch the isoNE site for what is available and online on the coldest nights/days, and do the math for yourself. Also, check out the price for electriciy on those days if you are buying on the spot market. I am afraid a lot of people will be choosing between food or heat if those energy prices are past on.
Smugly, the anti-nuke will feel great when VY is closed. Yet they will be unwilling to admit how much of the power the state and region will use in place of VY is generated by coal, oil and gas - expensive, dirty and dangerous - all of them far worse than nuclear. The ant-nuke is unable to compare the dangers and risks but would prefer living in a dream world where their power is generated by some idealic windmills perhaps, ignoring the permanent damage to the mountain tops.
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Nov 11, 2010
 
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So much for claiming the opposite true when in fact what we get from H-Q is fixed *for 26 years* starting in 2012.
You are a liar and an idiot.

"The agreement will tie future energy prices to a series of market indexes..."

Sounds like the VY PPA you bitch about but it's really the Hydro-Quebec deal.

When the details are announced next month, everyone will see you for the pathological liar you really are.
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Nov 11, 2010
 
They didn't close [the door or for the night and till tomorrow. THEY shut down so does the deformer continue to say as they please trying to inject their will with the head lines. The Reformer is the Walmart of the media business and they still take their marching orders from H Q in Denver as if that's a fair market.
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Nov 12, 2010
 
Coal, Oil, Gas , Windmills...... Maybe not perfect BUT we aren't given evacuation routes,Iodine Pills,and Tone Radios. Lets not forget being treated to concerts from sirens..... if you live in an area lucky enough for sirens . Otherwise get a tone radio. Just the other day I got a phone book in the mail. Inside the cover as I walk away from my mailbox I open to read . Nuclear Evacuation Pages.I immediately thought can I ever get away from this mess.This is not fear mongering this is reality .
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You & others who support Entergy/VY seem to think no one has thought of the things you are using to fearmonger & distort the truth that VT would pay *much* more w/Entergy contract.
Are you aware that there are ppl who make a living doing this?
Rates *will* in fact go up again & again w/Entergy contract, as the regular annual increase based on an unknown quantity, therefore a fictitious number which goes no where but up.
So much for claiming the opposite true when in fact what we get from H-Q is fixed *for 26 years* starting in 2012. This is why we have contracts.
'We' do not have any in-house capacity. VT utilities do not own the plant anymore where have you been.'We' have a corrupt company which refused to give VT any incentive for hosting plant & a contract that starts higher than H-Q & continually rises yearly by an amount that is unknown & to my knowledge-no cap.
Wrong again & more distortions. VT elec utilities *do* have their own in-state projects & are not sweating this-you & VY employees are sweating b/c it means VT & NE do not need VY.
Two facilities are seeking approval in Pownal. The biomass plant would produce 30MW of that 90MW VT needs.
VT just got grants to build & troubleshoot SmartGrid technology.
Associated Press - November 11, 2010 8:05 AM ET
BURLINGTON, Vt.(AP)- Officials in Vermont are hoping $590,000 in grants will help the state become the first to build a so-called "smart grid" to deliver electrical power more reliably and efficiently.
more:
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp...
1. VT is not asking or recieving any more from H-Q than we already do. That H-Q is *able* to supply us all we need does not mean elec. utilities are requesting or need this. Utilities chose to diversify partly for this very reason.
2. VT elec utilities have been actively planning for future w/o VY for nearly three years & have secured all but 90/MW with 16 mo left to go. If Entergy breaks or bails, VT can temporarily go to spot market.
3. PSB will approve the deal if it is a good value for VTers.
I repeat my issue is, not whether the plant stays open or closed. My issue is the faliure of our legislature and utilites for NOT PLANNING AHEAD in order to have the resources in place IN STATE to to replace this energy source thereby leaving us at the mercy of HQ.

You wrote: So much for claiming the opposite true when in fact what we get from H-Q is fixed *for 26 years* starting in 2012. This is why we have contracts.

Do you know what a contract realignment is? They happen very frequently. Contracts can and are changed when circumstances change.

You say the PSB will make the best deal for Vermonters. Well they have charge of overseeing VY, they sure haven't done such a hot job there have they? Your post after post on VY affirms that. So again, if HQ becomes the biggest game in town and we are desperate for power the PSB will make the best deal alright, but on HQ terms.

Higher and higher energy rates. Fewer and fewer new businesses and more businesses leaving (you think IBM and GE will stick around?). Fewer and fewer jobs.

Let talk in a few years by then we will know whose crystal ball was clearer.

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I Know More Than You wrote:
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You are a liar and an idiot.
"The agreement will tie future energy prices to a series of market indexes..."
Sounds like the VY PPA you bitch about but it's really the Hydro-Quebec deal.
When the details are announced next month, everyone will see you for the pathological liar you really are.
'Pathological liar? I would not have gone there, but you did.

You are a liar, have always been & have done nothing but. Whether it's 'pathological' or not does not matter. That you *are* is what matters.

Since you failed to point out or back up your comment w/any sources or even a link shows you are only on hand to namecall, hurl insults, detract/derail these threads, obfuscate the truth & display your sick & obviously sociopathic behavior as only a sociopath could be comfortable in the skin you wear which is obviously a waste.

And, you're still a troll!
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Excuse me, when did I resort to name calling? Oh yes, in one thread I referred to you as a "spinmister". Re-read what you wrote, insulting, name calling seem to be the only way you communicate. Can you prove anything I said is Not true? Please be specific,I am willing to listen and if you turn out to be correct. I will congratulate you on same.
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P.S. Where do you think electric rates will go when demand is greatly increased by the use of "electric" cars? GE has just come out with "recharging" stations.

Here's what Obama had to say on the subject:
Obama: In advanced batteries that go into electric cars. We used to have 2 percent of the market. We’re now on pace, because of the investments that we made, to see us have as much as 40 percent of the market by 2015. So, in five years we went from 2 percent of the world market potentially to 40 percent of the world market.
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The Band Plays On ......... I'm still reading Evacuation Plans........Thanks but NO Thanks.
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northstaridiot wrote:
Since you failed to point out or back up your comment w/any sources or even a link..
I see you are too stupid to take the quote I provided and cut and paste into Google and then click on the first link.

http://www.vermontbiz.com/news/march/governor...

Which power purchase agreement do you think they are talking about here?

CVPS President Bob Young and GMP President Mary Powell said in a joint statement. "The price will be tied to inflation and electricity market price indexes..."

I'm quite comfortable calling you an idiot as well as a pathological liar.

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