Deciding VYa s fate

Deciding VYa s fate

There are 55 comments on the Brattleboro Reformer story from Jan 5, 2011, titled Deciding VYa s fate. In it, Brattleboro Reformer reports that:

Today the new Legislature convenes its session and it will have a number of pressing issues to deal with in a very short time.

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goseabees

West Wardsboro, VT

#1 Jan 5, 2011
If they do close Yankee-- you can kiss that 150 Million number goodbye.!!!

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#2 Jan 5, 2011
More fearmongering!
- We will 'freeze in the dark', right?
- VT economy will utterly collapse & we will all face financial ruin, right?
- We will be signing second mortgages to pay elec. bills, right?
- NE grid will come to screeching halt due to the loss of that paltry 2%, right?
- Oh, & we certainly cannot forget the melting wires on the utility poles. Omg, where will the birds sit???
- Big bada*s bullies, Entergy thugs will bankrupt our state w/lawsuits, right?

Ha ha ha. We have heard all the lies for years, & how much we need Yankee every time they have needed VTs support & it is ALL nothing but a big fat lie from big fat-cat union bosses trying to keep big fat paychecks @ the expense of VT.

Will be the best thing that's happened in VT & the region. The never-ending headache it has become, the nuclear waste in our groundwater, now in bedrock & piling on banks of Conn River will end.

Ridding VT of the neverending nuisance of arrogant troublemaking neighbors & their bratty kids the best part.
mike mulligan

Charlestown, MA

#3 Jan 5, 2011
Can you imagine if they had a accident of some sort while after 2012, anytime now...they be an embarrassment to the industry. They are a outliner in the fleet, what if something big happened to another of their plants...a presidential blue ribben commission?

Think if another whistleblowers hits them? I mean Shumlin would be extraordinarily vulnerable. Imagine if a anonymous whistleblower popped up, the governor attempted to ignore it, and then got caught doing it. That is a mike mulligan, can you imagine if Shumlin gets accused by the anti nukes of protecting VY? You should see how much a democrat governor dances in front of a podium then. He be visiting the plant every week. A whistleblower has a lot more power during this timeframe than during a republican.

What about the Vermont Attorney General investigation, he is a democrat, they all are up at the capital...no one knows what they will find in there. Who knows what these little girl employees will disclose once their careers are threatened? What if a gaggle of employees get indicted.

These guys are on thin ice few other plants have been on...they are in very risky territory. Vy has been under funded for many year now...it would take two or three years expensive years before the plant turns.

How about if the NRC finds something big...

They are primed to rocket into national news.

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#4 Jan 5, 2011
NRC will never find something so big it cannot be hidden, somehow. They're pretty slippery.

Had to have known something about Davis-Besse, & that was not the only pile of shite that has happened, so this proves they can hide when they need to.

If/when shite hits fan, they have hundreds of ways to cover a**ses.

It would take a massive coordination by anti-nuke forces, combined w/other groups educating the public as to the import of this now unspecified event, as well as related info. However, it would galvanize a second generation of antinuke activism & it would be the end of industry in US for a long, long time.

In 2009-2010 13 out of 13 times they were given the boot by states nuke industry was lobbying, if there were an 'event' I'm sure there would be grave repercussions.

Former NRC member Lochbaum himself said less than one year ago thet due to the fact bar set by NRC so low & then allowing NPP operators to limbo beneath it, he expected a meltdown which would end nuclear power in US.
mike mulligan

Charlestown, MA

#5 Jan 5, 2011
Man, so we flick a switch, then one day we have nuclear power and the next there is none. That is over twenty percent of the electricity. It would take us a decade of electric shortages and high cost before we could compensate.

You are living in dream land and you have no idea what is best for the country.

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#6 Jan 5, 2011
Did I say I thought or knew waht is best for country? No.

I stated what I thought was likely to happen, if & only if public loses confidence re a catastrophic occurance, not what would of should happen.

It was based on an assessment & prediction of someone who knows alot more than you or I about NRC & nuclear industry, as well as the circumstances that led up to the closure of the last four or so plants, public pressure was the biggest factor.

The public educating themselves & demanding safety is a good thing, not a bad thing, since we are the ones who ultimately will suffer & pay the price.

Since NRC would be faulted, it would likely be viewed as fault of NRC, as they are the ones not holding NPPs to their safety standards. Plant owners could rightly say that they are merely following NRC guidelines.

And, Mr. Mike, I do not think current plants will be *shut down*, but that the power likely to be replaced w/other sources as they are decommed.

Also, I think it would actually end nuclear power in US only unless/until complete overhaul of industry takes place, also a good thing for nuke industry as it could end moratorium. Bad for NRC as I think it would, hopefully, end their reign.

It would likely lead to regulatory reform to win public confidence which would be a good thing, not a bad thing.
mike mulligan

Charlestown, MA

#7 Jan 5, 2011
"It was based on an assessment & prediction of someone who knows alot more than you or I about NRC & nuclear industry, as well as the circumstances that led up to the closure of the last four or so plants, public pressure was the biggest factor."

So big deal, everyone thinks they are smarter than me, and I think I am smarter than everyone else.

My kids and wife think I am a idiot, and I think they are idiots at times.

My wife makes more money than me so she wins.
Solar Bomb

Little Rock, AR

#8 Jan 5, 2011
A very wise editorial. Nothing will happen because the Senate has breched the MOU be forbidding the PSB to do it's job.

If it is relicensed it will run till 2032 and the Feds will back Entergy or the new owner.

And Shumlin will claim it is ok because he has worked to fix VY

:)
mike mulligan

Charlestown, MA

#9 Jan 5, 2011
northstardust wrote:
NRC will never find something so big it cannot be hidden, somehow. They're pretty slippery.
US.
Why would the NRC protect VY to such a extent that it destroys the NRC and the industry's reputation?

You have never seen the power of a hidden secret outed...everyone is terrified of the power that.

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#10 Jan 5, 2011
Solar Bomb wrote:
A very wise editorial. Nothing will happen because the Senate has breched the MOU be forbidding the PSB to do it's job.
If it is relicensed it will run till 2032 and the Feds will back Entergy or the new owner.
And Shumlin will claim it is ok because he has worked to fix VY :)
In your wet dreams. Keep dinking your fool ade.

Another complete lie. Mou was *never* breached. In it, Entergy agreed to VTs legislative/regulatory oversight. Prove it or zip it!

Act 160, which Entergy agreed to btw, specifically gives legislature right to *not* to mandate or require PSB to hold its own proceedings to issue CPG, but to make its decision based on its own oversight process which trumps other actons. Prove it or zip it!

If legislature determines Entergy has passed their muster, it then sends matter to PSB to decide.

They didn't cut muster! They were caught lying repeatedly & have admitted doing so, specifically so that relicensing hearings would not be reopened.

Since they were mandated to complete 81 tasks, & reconvened VY POP has stated that a complete change in corporate culture necessary, as well as putting more money into plant maintenance.

None of these things have been done, so we see how interested Entergy is in taking seriously these mandates.

Rather than put money into the plant, they put it all into PR media blitzes, employees strutting around, smiling, claiming VY is safe-to save their own jobs @ expense of VTers, as well as other Entergy employees, flooding online forums, from VY as well as from around the country flocking to these threads en masse to shout down opposition & hurl insults @ dissenters including none other than Entergy MS corporate employee John Wheeler.

Your Chris Bates delivered an insult-laden rant to Jesse Haas & her husband. My, my. Remember us? why,'We're Your Friends & Neighbors' You can trust us & all of our friends to look after your interests. Nice guys, these Entergy folks.

Uh, huh!

More fearmongering, w/businesses claiming they will leave if VY closed-all another bunch of big fat lies.

VT is wise to your bs. You have failed. Good riddance.

The power of Act 160

In May 2006, after intensive citizen advocacy efforts, the Vermont legislature passed a law of truly historic proportions, Act 160.

Act 160 states that the Entergy Nuclear Corporation may not operate the Vermont Yankee nuclear reactor after its license expires in 2012 without "the explicit approval of the General Assembly".

Even if the federal Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) in Washington, DC decides to authorize a 20-year license extension for the aging, mismanaged reactor, the representatives of Vermont's citizens still have the authority to say "NO!" The legislature's vote will likely take place during the 2010 session.

What does Act 160 require of the state?

Act 160 requires the state's Department of Public Services (DPS) and the Senate-House Joint Energy Committee arrange for studies that will inform the public and the legislature regarding long-term accountability, financial responsibility, environmental, economic, waste and public health issues.

The act also requires the DPS to utilize a “public engagement” process. The DPS held four public meetings and an online discussion in the spring of 2008, despite the fact that VCAN and other groups vehemently opposed the holding of these meetings prior to the release of any studies.

Current results show a majority of Vermonters want Vermont Yankee to close and be replaced with other energy options by 2012.

No other state legislature has ever claimed the right of its citizens, through their elected representatives, to make a decision that could override the powerful interests of a major nuclear corporation and the NRC.

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#11 Jan 5, 2011
northstardust wrote:
NRC will never find something so big it cannot be hidden, somehow. They're pretty slippery.
US.
Why would the NRC protect VY to such a extent that it destroys the NRC and the industry's reputation?
You have never seen the power of a hidden secret outed...everyone is terrified of the power that.
mike mulligan wrote:
Why would the NRC protect VY to such a extent that it destroys the NRC and the industry's reputation?
You have never seen the power of a hidden secret outed...everyone is terrified of the power that.
It's not that they'll protect VY pre se, but all NPPs. Since there are many flaws in their safety standards, really, a catastrophic occurance could happen.

Do you really think NRC will allow the black eye VY has already become for industry, not win this battle, as far as they are concerned?

Do you think they will allow themselves be blamed for VY not being relicensed?

As far as 'someone who knows more than you or I', was merely to show information reliable, that is all.
I Know More Than You

Farmington, NH

#12 Jan 5, 2011
northstaridiot wrote:
Prove it or zip it!
It always make me smile when you say this :)
mike mulligan

Charlestown, MA

#13 Jan 5, 2011
northstardust wrote:
northstardust wrote:
NRC will never find something so big it cannot be hidden, somehow. They're pretty slippery.
US.
Why would the NRC protect VY to such a extent that it destroys the NRC and the industry's reputation?
You have never seen the power of a hidden secret outed...everyone is terrified of the power that.
<quoted text>
It's not that they'll protect VY pre se, but all NPPs. Since there are many flaws in their safety standards, really, a catastrophic occurance could happen.
Do you really think NRC will allow the black eye VY has already become for industry, not win this battle, as far as they are concerned?
Do you think they will allow themselves be blamed for VY not being relicensed?
As far as 'someone who knows more than you or I', was merely to show information reliable, that is all.
It is a mono view...is it more reliable?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#14 Jan 5, 2011
northstardust wrote:
<quoted text>
In your wet dreams. Keep dinking your fool ade.
Another complete lie. Mou was *never* breached. In it, Entergy agreed to VTs legislative/regulatory oversight. Prove it or zip it!
Ok I will prove it. Because you are the one lying. Entergy Never agreed to VT legislative oversight in the sale MOU. Section 12 of the MOU states,

"Each of VYNPC, CVPS, GMP, ENVY and ENO expressly and
irrevocably agrees:(a) that the Board has jurisdiction under current law to grant or deny
approval of operation of the VYNPS beyond March 21, 2012."

Entergy agreed to the PSB having a say in their license extension. They never agreed in this MOU to let the legislature have a say. You have said this multiple times its a lie. I have provided a link below to the original MOU. Kindly show me where Entergy did what you said and that is gave the legisalture oversight in their license extension somewhere in the sale MOU. If you cannot then you are lying. So please prove it!!

http://publicservice.vermont.gov/dockets/6545...
mike mulligan

Charlestown, MA

#15 Jan 5, 2011
That is what they are sitting it up for, it is a fight to the death. They are going to try and destroy Shumlin and liberal and socialist Vermont for the good of the nuclear industry. I just don't see anyway way around it, either you politically damage Entergy so much they shutdown VY, or they destroy you politically and within the courts.
tom

West Palm Beach, FL

#16 Jan 5, 2011
The writer of this editorial captures the essence of the Yankee controversy-a circus for the benefit of newspaper sales, trust funders with too much time on their hands and, of course, the blood-sucking lawyers. It's like watching south park.
mike mulligan

Charlestown, MA

#17 Jan 5, 2011
The only one who had the power to initiate it was Entergy....
Good One

Chester, NY

#18 Jan 5, 2011
Excellent editorial! Bravo to The Reformer for looking into their crystal ball and prognosticating an outcome. I too think Entergy will fight this one in federal court. Too much at stake not to, but it could be one expensive fight. Hold on to your butts! It's going to be one bumpy ride!
mike mulligan

Charlestown, MA

#19 Jan 5, 2011
Can you imagine the print if a governor requested VY to shut down on time in 2012 and Entergy tried to defy it? Could they have the state police in VY's control room?

How about if the governor asked the NRC to shut it down when the license expired?

I just don't think the NRC would allow the plant to operate without a permissive of the state. Are you really say the governors don't have any power over a nuclear plant.

Somebody needs to ask what the NRC's stance is on this.
mike mulligan

Charlestown, MA

#20 Jan 5, 2011
Imagine if you asked them and they said we are not going to say until it happens.

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