Shummycare is Unaffordable

Shummycare is Unaffordable

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Since: Nov 10

Gloversville, NY

#1 Jan 25, 2013
The Governor's Health Finance Report calls for a $1.611 billion annual tax increase to finance single payer health care. This is over two-and-one-half times what Vermonters pay in income taxes, and nearly five times what the state collects in sales and use taxes.
joe

Chester, VT

#2 Jan 27, 2013
$200 a month per person is what it works out to when divided by 630,000 people. If that is what it will cost to get rid of insurance companies and have everyone covered what is the problem with the state program being the only insurance available ?
Agnostic

Brattleboro, VT

#3 Jan 27, 2013
joe wrote:
$200 a month per person is what it works out to when divided by 630,000 people. If that is what it will cost to get rid of insurance companies and have everyone covered what is the problem with the state program being the only insurance available ?
So a family of four pays $800/ month and oops we have to exclude 50% of the families because they already qualify for benefits so then it will jump to $400 per person per month. That is much more than private insurance right now. What makes you think this is a good deal? Or were you just being sarcastic?
joe

Chester, VT

#4 Jan 27, 2013
http://hcr.vermont.gov/sites/hcr/files/2013/H...

a 6% tax on all personal gross income would pay the bill and get the insurance cost off employers making the state more attractive to do business in.

The mass hysteria over this little nothing will be entertaining to watch.
Hanging On Edge

Jaffrey, NH

#5 Jan 27, 2013
I have heard rumors that VHAP is basically going to be gutted. Does anyone know anything more about this?
Golly

Bennington, VT

#6 Jan 28, 2013
joe wrote:
http://hcr.vermont.gov/sites/h cr/files/2013/Health%20Care%20 Reform%20Financing%20Plan%2020 14%20and%202017_FINAL.pdf
a 6% tax on all personal gross income would pay the bill and get the insurance cost off employers making the state more attractive to do business in.
The mass hysteria over this little nothing will be entertaining to watch.
A 6% tax won't do it because we have so many people who don't take work seriously and don't pay any taxes. And a 6% tax won't make Vermont more attractive to business either. That is like the liberal fantasy that just because Vermont is beautiful we don't have to do anything to attract business to locate here.
joe

Chester, VT

#7 Jan 28, 2013
Golly wrote:
<quoted text>
A 6% tax won't do it because we have so many people who don't take work seriously and don't pay any taxes. And a 6% tax won't make Vermont more attractive to business either. That is like the liberal fantasy that just because Vermont is beautiful we don't have to do anything to attract business to locate here.
I gather 6th grade math was hard for you. I didn't guess at some number, I looked up the information and figured out what the number would need to be.

It's not about emotional hysteria, it's about facts and figures.You can post on the internet a 6% tax won't do it but didn't offer anything but your wild guess opion which isn't backed up with math, facts and figures.

at $30k it's $150 a month
at $60k it's $300 a month

more affordable for the average single person or married with kids people than the current employer funded system and how liberism works, socialize costs and this is vermont so why expect anything but socialized health insurance ?

Hand the bill to the rich and get the cost off employers backs, many of them will give people raises if they no longer have to pay for employer provided health care insurance. The soialists in vermont will more likely go with a 7% tax and riase the minimum wage some so the poor don't actually pay the tax or give out more EIC so low income people don't really pay.

People that employee grunt employee's will no longer care about if they are full time or part time because there will be no benefits to pay.
joe

Chester, VT

#8 Jan 28, 2013
http://www.nneindicators.unh.edu/ShowOneRegio...

information from a university
2010 vermont per capita income times 626,000 people is almost $26 billion
6% tax is $1.5 bilion

2014 per capita income will most likely be higher than 2010

America, the land of the financialy illiterate emotional basket cases.
Read END THE FEDbyRonPaul

Newton Center, MA

#9 Jan 28, 2013
Real Vermonters have the Right to determine Which Kinds of businesses to attract to the State with incentives and which to discourage with disincentives

Real Vermonters can say No to companies like General Electric which pollutes as it did in Pittsfield Mass, which PCBs and dioxins flowed down the Housatonic to Conn (and their plant by the Hudson NY river messed that up bigtime too), and can say No to GE Mark I or II etc. reactors which melt down as three did in Fukushima, proving the 'GE Three' original reactor design engineer whistleblowers right 40 years ago about the design being a lemon and suseptible to going Ka-blooey!

Real Vermonters have a right to put curbs on development to keep it from gettin out of control and Vermont looking like G-d New Jersey, as Vermont has done with the no billboards rule which Maine also has and various numbered Acts in the legislature. The State PSB needs to do it's job, which is NOT being a 'Job Sustainablility Board' and listening to the whines of nuketards about job loss when we get the nuke Shut Down, the PSBs job is protecting the people from the corporate Entergy owners of the GE Mark I in Vernon by denying them a CPG
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"I have heard rumors that VHAP is basically going to be gutted. Does anyone know anything more about this?"
-haven't heard of 'ObamaCare' tho huh? It's meant to eventually replace most all 'healthcare'. Those 'Death Panels' they promised were not real and only a right-wing scare, well now they admit they're real.
http://www.infowars.com/democrats-crank-up-de...

http://www.infowars.com/nyt-brooks-promotes-e...

How To Avoid The Obamacare Death Trap
http://www.infowars.com/how-to-avoid-the-obam...
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The Astounding Hypocrisy of Gun Control Advocates
http://www.infowars.com/the-astounding-hypocr...
joe

Chester, VT

#10 Jan 28, 2013
The Alex Jones cult member dropped in, try some koolaid.
Radiation Is GOOD for EWE

Newton Center, MA

#11 Jan 28, 2013
so ewe'r serving it up here huh?
Which flavor is it?
Radtastic Remediation Raspberry?
Strontium Strawberry?
Chernobyl Cherry?
Safer

Salisbury, VT

#12 Jan 28, 2013
Radiation Is GOOD for EWE wrote:
so ewe'r serving it up here huh?
Which flavor is it?
Radtastic Remediation Raspberry?
Strontium Strawberry?
Chernobyl Cherry?
. Tsunamis are deadly
straight shooter

Barre, VT

#13 Jan 29, 2013
[QUOTE
2010 vermont per capita income times 626,000 people is almost $26 billion
6% tax is $1.5 bilion
[/QUOTE]

"The Governor's Health Finance Report calls for a $1.611 billion annual tax increase"

a tax INCREASE...
of more than you show your tax could pay...

and I believe what is being pointed out is that crunching the number based on total population is a flaw given that not all are (or will admit to being) able bodied...

how does it calculate if only half actually pay their own way?
Golly

Bennington, VT

#14 Jan 29, 2013
joe wrote:
<quoted text>
I gather 6th grade math was hard for you. I didn't guess at some number, I looked up the information and figured out what the number would need to be.
It's not about emotional hysteria, it's about facts and figures.You can post on the internet a 6% tax won't do it but didn't offer anything but your wild guess opion which isn't backed up with math, facts and figures.
at $30k it's $150 a month
at $60k it's $300 a month
more affordable for the average single person or married with kids people than the current employer funded system and how liberism works, socialize costs and this is vermont so why expect anything but socialized health insurance ?
Hand the bill to the rich and get the cost off employers backs, many of them will give people raises if they no longer have to pay for employer provided health care insurance. The soialists in vermont will more likely go with a 7% tax and riase the minimum wage some so the poor don't actually pay the tax or give out more EIC so low income people don't really pay.
People that employee grunt employee's will no longer care about if they are full time or part time because there will be no benefits to pay.
You dingaling. People making $30k will pay nothing. People making $50k will probably pay next to nothing. There are very few "rich" people in Vermont. The people (employers) who are paying to cover their employees now through private insurance will be paying it later through taxes except that the government will add the expense of all the people who aren't covered now. It will be an added burden on "employers" because they will be paying the taxes to support the program and it will be more than they are paying now for private sector insurance.\
There is no way that Vermont employers and businesses will come out ahead in this. There is no way that any taxpayer will come out ahead. And there is no way this will be good for our economy. The only people who will come out ahead are the freeloaders.
joe

Chester, VT

#15 Jan 30, 2013
Looks like it's way over some peoples heads,go watch Honey Booboo on the idiot box, the adults will handle things.
Alex

Danvers, MA

#16 Jan 30, 2013
Safer wrote:
<quoted text>. Tsunamis are deadly
and we learned that

what we learned is that it came out that the quake alone caused the major problems and burst pipes etc. that led to the meltdowns of those GE mark I reactors, meaning even if the tsunami hadn't hit back on land the meltdowns still would have happened, the situation with the nukes and their backup cooling was only worsened by the big splashback, and we're learning that the radiation all over parts of Japan and in the Pacific will end up causing more early deaths than were killed by that tsunami on Fukushima.
I Know More Than You

Keene, NH

#17 Jan 30, 2013
Village Idiot wrote:
and we learned that
what we learned is that it came out that the quake alone caused the major problems and burst pipes etc. that led to the meltdowns of those GE mark I reactors, meaning even if the tsunami hadn't hit back on land the meltdowns still would have happened, the situation with the nukes and their backup cooling was only worsened by the big splashback, and we're learning that the radiation all over parts of Japan and in the Pacific will end up causing more early deaths than were killed by that tsunami on Fukushima.
You are a liar and an idiot.
Alex

Danvers, MA

#18 Jan 30, 2013
'Earthquake Caused Japan Nuke Crisis, Not Tsunami'
It wasn't the tsunami that caused the nuclear crisis at Fukushima No. 1 in March. According to The Japan Times' translation of an article in the December issue Sentaku Magazine, evidence is mounting the meltdown was caused by the earthquake and by the use of a U.S.-made reactor that was unable to withstand such an event. Here are the details.
http://news.yahoo.com/earthquake-caused-japan...

* Tanaka stated the emergency condensers, which are supposed to lower the pressure and temperature of the reactor, were not working at the time of the accident and that the plumbing for these condensers was likely damaged in the earthquake.

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'Fukushima reactor meltdown was a man-made disaster, says official Parliament report'
Japanese investigators say tsunami wasn't sole cause of nuclear accident and criticise collusion and poor regulation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/ju...

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Yomiuri: Mayor near Fukushima dies — Had recently been hospitalized two weeks with enteritis, which affected many Chernobyl liquidators
http://enenews.com/mayor-in-tochigi-dies-of-a...

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A new study published in the peer-reviewed journal International Journal of Health Services alleges that 14,000 people have already died in the United States due to Fukushima.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/study-...
Sherman also claims that a study in British Columbia of infants under 1 year of age allegedly corroborates the increased deaths due to Fukushima:

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Stunning Japan quake visualization map of day prior thru to after the 9.0 quake
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Kyodo: Fukushima governor hospitalized — Bleeding from colon area
http://enenews.com/fukushima-governor-hopital...

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But Cheer Up it ain't all bad news...

Analyst:“The Slow Demise of U.S. Nuclear Power”— 40 reactors could be closed
http://enenews.com/analyst-slow-demise-of-u-s...
Penny Wise

Cambridge, VT

#19 Feb 16, 2013
When Howard Dean got VHAP going, he said it was because single payer health care was unaffordable. Dean was much better with the figures than Shumlin will ever be. Now Shumlin is scrapping VHAP in order to help pay for the unaffordable single payer. VHAP recipients will be stripped of all health care coverage and be thrown upon the mercy of Obamacare "exchanges"--which most probably won't be able to afford. They will then be fined for not having any health insurance. But all will be well in a few years when Single Payer gets kicking, right? My bet is that Single Payer will never get off the ground at all, and Vermonters won't have the security of VHAP either.
Alex

Danvers, MA

#20 Feb 17, 2013
If that unexploded (yet) DirtyBomb in Vernon called Vermont Yankee gets Shut Down under Shummy's tenure then I'll say he helped with people's HealthCare more than any other governor.

Only dumb spineless slug sheeple think the govt. can get away with fining someone for refusing to opt into any 'healthcare' system, and blood can't be gotten from a stone so those who can't afford some damn 'healthcare' sh't certainly ain't going to pay a fine. Last I checked the Constitution is still the 'Supreme Law of the Land' and that along with case law say that no one can be forced to contract into anything against their will.
It doesn't matter what some closet que er in a black robe named John Roberts said, the people will only take so much tyranny before they grow some gonad fortitude and Push Back Hard

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