Shumlin wants VY to renew extraction

Shumlin wants VY to renew extraction

There are 76 comments on the Brattleboro Reformer story from Dec 8, 2010, titled Shumlin wants VY to renew extraction. In it, Brattleboro Reformer reports that:

Gov.-elect Peter Shumlin said he wants Entergy to restart well water extraction.

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StopAndThink

Turners Falls, MA

#61 Dec 12, 2010
I_Have_Young_Kids_Too wrote:
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Chloe, The things you mentioned (raw sewage, oil, etc.) do have an environmental and health impact (unlike the tritium at VY). If VY was so bad, why is it not included on the Vermont list of hazardous waste sites? I think there are something like 1200 active hazardous sites in VT, and not one of them is Vermont Yankee. There are more gas stations, dry cleaning companies, manufactures, that use and spill things so much worse for our health than you even want to know. These places pollute and create actual health and environmental impacts, and are seldom realized by the average Joe. They are in our back yards and down the street. Do some research, and follow up with the real offenders! http://www.anr.state.vt.us/dec/wastediv/sms/h...
Actually, there are over 1400 active hazardous waste sites in Vermont... and you are correct; Vermont Yankee is not on the list. The tritium leak makes all kinds of hype for the antis, but doesn't even make the classification as a hazardous waste site. That's because there is nothing to it.

This is just another means for antis to spread unjustified fear to people who don't know any better. The anti's are successful at this because its easy to fear what is not readily understood. Nuclear power is safe, Vermont Yankee is safe. She's not as old and banged up as some people might lead you to believe. A lot of time and money goes into keeping VY running well, and fully capable for another 20 years.
Cloe

Putney, VT

#62 Dec 13, 2010
Concerned wrote:
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People are daily feeding their babies from plastic cups, bottles and dishes that are made from petroleum by products. Wrapping them in plastic diapers and clothing them in synthetic fibers made from petroleum products. And daily packing their little ones in to cars that emit fumes and turn up all kinds of microscopic toxic crap form the highways or letís not forget all those homes they live in that are heated by toxic substances such as oil and wood. Seems that should be a hell of a lot bigger concern. Even when VY is closed their world is not going to be any healthier.
Toxic wood?
Nancy Stardust

Wardsboro, VT

#63 Dec 13, 2010
June 11

New study says wood-burning power plants worse for climate

http://www.pressherald.com/New-study-says-woo...
sick of bratt

Little Rock, AR

#64 Dec 13, 2010
Cloe wrote:
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Cute but ignorant. Vermont Yankee WILL be shut down!
OMG!!! Another one from Newfane
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#65 Dec 13, 2010
Cloe wrote:
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Toxic wood?
Wood when burned gives off toxic fumes and microscopic particles that are breathed in by humans.
So heating your home with wood, certainly doesn't do those babies any good.
The hazards I pointed out in my post are constant everyday hazards that humans face everyday but give little and/or no thought to

Wood Burning
....only a few hours of wood burning in a single home at night can raise fine particle concentrations in dozens of surrounding homes throughout the neighborhood and cause PAH concentrations higher than 2,000 ng/m3." (Dr. Wayne Ott, Stanford University, Feb. 1, 1998)

1. "... as many as 60,000 U.S. residents per year may die from breathing particulate at or below legally allowed levels." (Joel Schwartz, USEPA as quoted in Dust to Dust: A Particularly Lethal Legacy, Science News, 139:212, 1991); "Dirty-Air Cities Far Deadlier Than Clean Ones, Study Shows", The New York Times National, 3/10/95 p. A20; "Mammalian lungs don't have defenses against small particles, says Schwartz", Tiny Particles, Big Dilemma, Business Week, Aug.4, 1997)

2. Worldwide estimate of premature deaths due to wood smoke is 2.7 to 3 million, with respiratory illness being the largest killer of infants. Health and Environment in Sustainable Development, World Health Organization, 1997, p.242.
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#66 Dec 13, 2010
sick of bratt wrote:
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OMG!!! Another one from Newfane
In this case I fear Chloe may be right. The plant will be shut down and the anti's will win. BUT Vermont is going to pay a very heavy price. Why? Because our wonderful super majority legislature and the utilities have totally failed when it comes to LONG TERM ENERGY PLANNING (unlike Canada that has another 10,000 MW planned to be on line by 2015) other than depending on Hydro Quebec to supply our needs. This makes Vermont totally dependent on out of the country sources for our energy. They will be the biggest game in town and when one is the biggest game in town one can charge whatever they wish and because we will be desperate for power we will pay. For those counting on the "contract" with HQ don't count on it being stable, there is a little practice in the world called "contract realignment". For those that count on market fluxatuions-jsut look at the commodes market to see how well that works.
Cloe

Putney, VT

#67 Dec 13, 2010
sick of bratt wrote:
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OMG!!! Another one from Newfane
OMG!!! Another one from VY
Nancy Stardust

Wardsboro, VT

#68 Dec 13, 2010
Cloe, I believe that the answer is that no source of generation is free of byproducts. I would favor wood over energy from Canada and any other foreign source. I am tired of sending our youth off to war for energy. I wish that I could believe that Vermonters would allow construction of any base load power station in the state. So the short answer is that we must extend Vermont Yankee if we are to preserve our freedoms and achieve peace.

"A picture of Vermont taken today from a satellite would show a heavily forested state, with the greatest concentration of trees along the mountain ranges running north and south. Aside from the Champlain Valley and the flat ribbons of land following the stateís major rivers, the heavy forest cover is only broken by occasional farm fields and villages nestled in the valleys.

This image of Vermont is borne out by the most recent forest inventory of the state, completed in 1998 by the U.S. Forest Service, which shows Vermont to be 78 percent forested, an increase of 1.4 percent in the past 15 years (Figure 1).

A similar image from 1948, if it were available, would reveal noticeably less forest cover across the state. The range and ridge concentrations would still be easy to see, but the areas between would show much less forest cover. The 1948 forest inventory indicated that the state was 63 percent forested at the time, meaning Vermontís forests have increased by more than 895,000 acres in the past half century.

During these five decades, as Vermontís forest area was increasing, forest harvest was increasing as well. Total forest harvest was 723,100 cords in 1948, dipped to a low of 378,200 cords in 1971, and climbed to 1,237,700 cords in 1996.

http://www.anr.state.vt.us/env99/vtforest.htm...
Green

Brattleboro, VT

#69 Dec 19, 2010
Concerned wrote:
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Good some interesting points. I am sure the government will come up with some rules and regulations at some point. I have long been a supporter of individual homes being run on solar. I know several people that are almost off the gird and self-sufficient energy wise using solar. I was/am thinking about using solar at my home, doing some research I came across the article. That article/info I posted made me start to re-think my stand on the issue. Seems no matter what energy source we chose to use, there is a downside so I guess it is coming down to a case of the lesser of the evils.
I was going to solar and use a small wind mill but my insurance company said they would drop my policy. I contacted several other insurance companies and they told me the same thing. And if was to go off the grid and got insured i wouldn't be able to afford it. So where does it pay to go off the grid?????
Sick of bratt

Brattleboro, VT

#70 Dec 19, 2010
Cloe wrote:
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OMG!!! Another one from VY
And proud of it. AT least i'm not livivg in a world of fear about a nuclear power plant. Stick to your tree huggin granola eating non showing hate everthing way of life. xooxoxox
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#71 Dec 20, 2010
Green wrote:
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I was going to solar and use a small wind mill but my insurance company said they would drop my policy. I contacted several other insurance companies and they told me the same thing. And if was to go off the grid and got insured i wouldn't be able to afford it. So where does it pay to go off the grid?????
Good point. Makes one wonder just how "serious" this "Going Green" movement really is.

Since: Nov 10

Saint Joseph, MI

#72 Feb 5, 2011
Anyone coming to the Vernon school on Feb. 22 from 6 to 9?

I ask in reference to the following link.

http://www.reformer.com/ci_17276045...
~Chris

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#73 Feb 6, 2011
My, my. And why do you ask? So that you can get our names, threaten our families, as someone from John Wheelers blog did to the wife of an antinuclear blogger?

Our very own VT thug McClaughry as well as Yes VT Yankee blogger made threats to VPIRG staffer and another. Joked about it. Yeah, that's really funny. Nice ppl you, Entergy thugs.

A bit below your paygrade to be monitoring VT activities, don't you think? Entergy must be quite desparate enlisting their corporate stooges as goons to take out citizen antinuclear members.

You & another pompous a$$ John Wheeler took the time out of your busy schedule to jump on local citizen advocates Nancy Braus & Jesse Haas w/inordinatly nasty, invective-laden rants. I see you boys steer clear of the men, though & primarily attack the women. Aren't you brave.

Do you boys get a bonus for every local resident you attack, or is it pure fun to disrespect our residents who simply do not want or need your services?

Good riddance!
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#74 Feb 6, 2011
Think Tritium is a problem-well here is one right in your home and with increased use it will become a serious problem if one believes the EPA warnings. Note the EU has banned the incandescent blubs and is switching totally to CFL blubs (US will probably follow suit), this can and probably will become a disposal nightmare as billions of CFLs will need to be disposed of, as they are used up and then replaced again.
http://www.epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup.html

NoNothings: everyday people feed their babies petroleum products-plastic baby bottles, sippy cups, dishes and wrap them in petroleum products, diapers, synthetic fibers (babies chew on things). Then they expose them to carbon from wood burning stoves/heaters, pack them in to the car and drive highways that throw up microscopic dust particles that include asphalt, metal shavings, and synthetic materials etc.
Just pointing out all the other dangers in your world that effect you daily and constantly. Yet I don't hear people getting all worked up about.
I am not defending VY-it will be closed of that I have no doubt and should be because Entergy and the PSB have not done their job properly (nuclear power, if done properly and closely overseen is a viable source of energy for our energy mix). The PSB also carries guilt as well for not monitoring the plant as closely as it should have.

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

#75 Feb 6, 2011
Concerned wrote:
Think Tritium is a problem-well here is one right in your home and with increased use it will become a serious problem if one believes the EPA warnings. Note the EU has banned the incandescent blubs and is switching totally to CFL blubs (US will probably follow suit), this can and probably will become a disposal nightmare as billions of CFLs will need to be disposed of, as they are used up and then replaced again.
http://www.epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup.html
NoNothings: everyday people feed their babies petroleum products-plastic baby bottles, sippy cups, dishes and wrap them in petroleum products, diapers, synthetic fibers (babies chew on things). Then they expose them to carbon from wood burning stoves/heaters, pack them in to the car and drive highways that throw up microscopic dust particles that include asphalt, metal shavings, and synthetic materials etc.
Just pointing out all the other dangers in your world that effect you daily and constantly. Yet I don't hear people getting all worked up about.
I am not defending VY-it will be closed of that I have no doubt and should be because Entergy and the PSB have not done their job properly (nuclear power, if done properly and closely overseen is a viable source of energy for our energy mix). The PSB also carries guilt as well for not monitoring the plant as closely as it should have.
Yawn. Not the point. And, levels are not even the point.

1. Happens to be radioactive nuclear industrial waste. This shows the plant has aged & will continue to do so.

2. It is not & never was only tritium, many other more hazardous forms have leaked & are traveling in the plume w/the tritium but moves more slowly. tritium being radioactive water is more abundant.

3. Has been leaking into the groundwater for at least four years now & into the river for over fifteen.

4. That it has been found in a drinking water well & in or near aquifer for drinking water.

5. There is new & additional contamination some of which is or was increasing, now going on for over two months now. Appears to be a new leak as it is showing up in wells which it had not been detected in previously & is outside the plume of prior leakage.

This means one year hence, plant is still leaking. Reports of cracked pipe(s), pipes popping holes 'about' 1/8" diameter, or 120 'drops' a minute, pinhole(s) emitting 'tiny radioactive puffs off steam' means leaks have continued in one form or another, from then until now. Personally, I do not think they ever actually stopped.

They have not found the new source of contamination & claim they cannot dig bc ground is frozen. Another lie-it was just as frozen last year!
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#76 Feb 7, 2011
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