Shumlin wants VY to renew extraction

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Gov.-elect Peter Shumlin said he wants Entergy to restart well water extraction.
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jpegger

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Dec 8, 2010
 
Mr. Shumlin says, "We have highly radioactive materials in the ground..." I'm sorry, but 500,000 Pico Curies per liter of tritium (or as in normal units 0.0005 micro Curies per milliliter) is not highly radioactive material. Where are his "experts" to straighten him out?

Remember that self powered (self illuminated) exit signs have 5 to 25 Curies (25,000,000,000,000 Pico Curies) in them (go to NRC, EPA, or Google any Exit Sign manufacturer’s webpage). If 500,000 Pico Curies per liter is “highly radioactive”(as Shumlin states), then an exit sign that has 10 - 50 million times as much radioactivity is MEGA highly radioactive, right? WRONG.

We are talking about 1/100,000th of the tritium content of a small sign per liter of groundwater at VY (or the equivalent of 1 broken exit sign for all the tritiated water under the site). How many misplaced or improperly disposed of exits signs to you think are out there in landfills or in garbage dumpsters across the country? There are likely hundreds of landfills with groundwater tritium concentrations equal or greater than at VY across the country. The state of PA did a significant report on this and found that 54 landfills had elevated tritium concentrations. At one landfill a single exit sign produced concentrations around 350,000 Pico Curies per liter… And guess what: the PA state EPA had the landfill pump it into a nearby stream. http://www.dep.state.pa.us/brp/radiation_cont... (see the Final July 2009 report).

We are not talking about anything horrible in the groundwater at VY, but the anti’s would like you to think otherwise. The VT Department of Public Health has repeatedly said there is no health risk associated with the resulting groundwater at VY (and said it again in this article).

In regards to the tritiated groundwater extracted from the site the article says, "The remaining 300,000 gallons is being loaded into tanker trucks for disposal in Tennessee." VY is a plant that does not discharge radioactive waste to the river (and prides themselves they haven’t since 1980). However, I'm sure like other plants, VY has a permit to discharge radioactive liquid waste to the river if they wanted/needed to.

My guess is with the political environment VY is still choosing not to discharge this extracted groundwater to the river. However, if the state really wants it out of the ground away from the drinking water aquifer wouldn't The State of Vermont suggest that VY just discharge the extracted water to the river versus transporting it to TN (especially if it is perfectly legal for VY to do so)? In the river this already low level of tritiated water would be so diluted it would not be detectable (just as it is not detected in the river now). It will have no environmental or health impact, as opposed to the perceived potential risk while it is in close proximity to the aquifer they are trying to “protect”.

Other nuclear facilities take this approach as it it's safer and cheaper than transporting it hundreds of miles over land; making the cost to benefit ratio more favorable for the utility... thus making it more likely Entergy would continue to extract tritiated groundwater from below the site.

Face it; there is no real TECHNICAL benefit to taking the water out of the ground. This is all a great spin for a political agenda to shut down VY. The leak was fixed and the tritiated groundwater is slowly but surely getting flushed out by the natural flow of groundwater, 30 feet underground AND above bedrock away from the drinking water aquifer.
Howard Shaffer

Goffstown, NH

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Dec 8, 2010
 
Drinking the "Tritiated" water as it comes from the ground wouldn't be harmful, as proven by the EPA standard. It is 20,000 pico curies per liter, to give a body dose of 4 mrem FOR THE YEAR IF TWO LITERS OF WATER ARE DRUNK EVERY DAY FOR THE YEAR. This shows how much safety margin there is in the standard. So if I went to the site today and drank a quart of water at 500,000 pico curies per liter, nothing. Under the EPA standard I get 560,000 picocuries in two weeks. Got it?

This may clear things up for those who believe in science. For those who only believe in words, and get upset when they hear "radioactive" I don't know what to do. We are all exposed to radiation in our homes, outdoors, and from the sun.

We can measure the tinieat amounts. We know how much is safe.

Each one of us is responsible for controlling our own nuclear radiation exposure, by controlling how much direct exposure to the sun that we allow ourselves to get.

Since: Nov 10

Benton Harbor, MI

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Dec 8, 2010
 
Jpegger, you are correct. One self-illuminated exit sign contains about 25,000,000,000,000 picocuries (pCi) of tritium. They can be bought new for less than $150 and are widely used in the United States and other countries. Thank you for your comments and for putting this in perspective.
Cloe

Newfane, VT

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Dec 8, 2010
 
Smith told the Reformer during a tour of the plant on Tuesday. "We're monitoring, testing and continuing with our remediation effort... They all show no threat to public health and safety or to any drinking wells."

YET!!!

"We take seriously and share Gov.-Elect Shumlin's commitment to protecting public health and safety and to preserving the natural environment,"

Really? Then WHY is VY not yet decommissioned?
Concerned about the environment, what a bunch of Entergy bs.
Howard Shaffer

Goffstown, NH

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Dec 8, 2010
 
I ordered more Tritium that has leaked from VY in all the water, on line. It will be shipped to my home. You can do it too. Its legal. Comes with NRC instructions.

My "no wires, no batteries" EXIT sign will come soon.
Cloe

Newfane, VT

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Dec 8, 2010
 
jpegger wrote:
My guess is with the political environment VY is still choosing not to discharge this extracted groundwater to the river. However, if the state really wants it out of the ground away from the drinking water aquifer wouldn't The State of Vermont suggest that VY just discharge the extracted water to the river versus transporting it to TN It will have no environmental or health impact, as opposed to the perceived potential risk while it is in close proximity to the aquifer they are trying to “protect”.
Other nuclear facilities take this approach as it it's safer and cheaper than transporting it hundreds of miles over land; making the cost to benefit ratio more favorable for the utility... thus making it more likely Entergy would continue to extract tritiated groundwater from below the site.
Face it; there is no real TECHNICAL benefit to taking the water out of the ground. This is all a great spin for a political agenda to shut down VY.
Then what is wrong with pumping raw sewerage into our streams? Or changing your vehicle's oil onto the ground? After all, it is only a small amount! Why complain about someone smoking in public, after all it is only a small amount!
Why worry about a few drunken drivers on the road? After all, most of us are sober so it is only a small amount! Most all hunters I know are responsible and safety-conscious, although we occasionally hear of those high on drugs or alcohol and also unnecessary deaths resulting. But is is only a small amount of those who are dangerous - so why worry?
mike mulligan

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Dec 8, 2010
 
So how much does VY propose to donate to charity...and who... if they are allowed to discharge tritium into the Connecticut River?
Aaron Kent

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Dec 8, 2010
 

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There has been a source of MAJOR radiation that has been around for what seems like forever and it needs to be stopped immediately!! The sun is seriously killing all of us with its radiation, something needs to be done about this NOW!
mike mulligan

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Dec 8, 2010
 
Least, the sun never lies and always tells the whole truth?
Aaron Kent

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Dec 8, 2010
 
Next the sun comes around I'll ask if it always tells the truth.
I_Have_Young_Kid s_Too

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Dec 8, 2010
 
Cloe wrote:
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Then what is wrong with pumping raw sewerage into our streams? Or changing your vehicle's oil onto the ground? After all, it is only a small amount! Why complain about someone smoking in public, after all it is only a small amount!
Why worry about a few drunken drivers on the road? After all, most of us are sober so it is only a small amount! Most all hunters I know are responsible and safety-conscious, although we occasionally hear of those high on drugs or alcohol and also unnecessary deaths resulting. But is is only a small amount of those who are dangerous - so why worry?
Chloe, The things you mentioned (raw sewage, oil, etc.) do have an environmental and health impact (unlike the tritium at VY). If VY was so bad, why is it not included on the Vermont list of hazardous waste sites? I think there are something like 1200 active hazardous sites in VT, and not one of them is Vermont Yankee. There are more gas stations, dry cleaning companies, manufactures, that use and spill things so much worse for our health than you even want to know. These places pollute and create actual health and environmental impacts, and are seldom realized by the average Joe. They are in our back yards and down the street. Do some research, and follow up with the real offenders! http://www.anr.state.vt.us/dec/wastediv/sms/h...
mike mulligan

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Dec 8, 2010
 
Going to need something more creative than that...need a main stream right from your heart.

A technical thing ain't going to work.
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Dec 8, 2010
 
What about strontium-90, Caesium-137, or cobalt-60? It is not "just" tritium leaking from this plant.
When did the testing of strontium-90 in the local fish poulation begin and how often is it being done now?
What about all of the other potentially hazardous radioactive materials, is the current testing program really adequate to describe the scope of contamination from numurous uncontrolled releases over the course of many years?
What role has the decision to operate a boiling water reactor with failed fuel cladding through to the next planned outage had in the contamination found outside of the plant? How often does this really happen? When was the last time this was done?
How does anyone feel that they can still call Vermont Yankee a "zero discharge" plant?
I Know More Than You

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Dec 8, 2010
 
questions wrote:
What about strontium-90, Caesium-137, or cobalt-60? It is not "just" tritium leaking from this plant.
When did the testing of strontium-90 in the local fish poulation begin and how often is it being done now?
What about all of the other potentially hazardous radioactive materials, is the current testing program really adequate to describe the scope of contamination from numurous uncontrolled releases over the course of many years?
What role has the decision to operate a boiling water reactor with failed fuel cladding through to the next planned outage had in the contamination found outside of the plant? How often does this really happen? When was the last time this was done?
How does anyone feel that they can still call Vermont Yankee a "zero discharge" plant?
Maybe you should try finding your answers somewhere other than a message board.

You'll find that the Sr90 in fish is not from VY.

You'll find VY is not operating with failed fuel (and if it was, it wouldn't mean that radionuclides would be found outside the plant)
Fa la la la la la la la

Bangor, ME

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Dec 8, 2010
 
I am sure it will all resume when temperatures are such that the tanks wont freeze. Mr. Shumlin, You already got elected so no need to keep on campaigning. You can just use the red phone instead of the media for your info now.

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

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S. Londonderry VT

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Dec 9, 2010
 
I Know More Than You wrote:
Maybe you should try finding your answers somewhere other than a message board.
You'll find that the Sr90 in fish is not from VY.
You'll find VY is not operating with failed fuel (and if it was, it wouldn't mean that radionuclides would be found outside the plant)
Maybe you should try finding your answers somewhere other than NRC & industry-sponsored bs.

Another load of crap. What else is new, nothing.

And, the Sr-90 *was not*'found' to have come from outside the plant. Shumlin also asked, w/this request to continue pumping the nuclear waste contaminated soil, the very least they should do, to test plant site, environment around plant as well as the fish. And, have the results by end of this week, not the customary liesurely pace of 'months'.

Also, reference *was not* to 'failed fuel', but the cladding.

“figuresdontlie*l iarscanfigure”

Since: Feb 10

S. Londonderry VT

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Dec 9, 2010
 
Fa la la la la la la la wrote:
I am sure it will all resume when temperatures are such that the tanks wont freeze. Mr. Shumlin, You already got elected so no need to keep on campaigning. You can just use the red phone instead of the media for your info now.
Blinded by the light? Difficult to adjust to a governor that does his job, openly serving the state, in daylight, rather than an Entergy lapdog whose office as well as appointees functioned as off the books staff for Entergy, isn't it?

Fasten your seatbelt, hang onto your hat & take those bp pills. Its going to be a wild ride, not for the fainthearted. There's alot of work to do ridding our state of the Douglas administration scourge. Thankfully it will not be on the backs of 98% of taxpayers & rest of VT to serve the wealthiest 2%.

The rest of us hope he will continue to make public all aspects, as we govern together in a democracy for & by the people, rather than a Douglas-style dictatorship, esp re the dealings w/Entergy. If you don't like it, simply shut your eyes, ears & mouth like a blind m o n k e y. It's ok.

I think the rest of us like being informed & included in the process.

In VT, we prefer open government, not hiding everything, bureaucrat to bureaucrat, the customary style of Jimmy D & then being spoonfed what he & our rulers decided to share, including all depts routinely rejecting public information requests & even charging for the documents to make it more arduous & difficult.

Good riddance Jim Douglas! You should be run out of VT on a rail followed by Entergy mascot O'Brien & stooge Irwin, w/the rest of your appointees & &400,000.00/yr staff which operated as a mere public relations firm to conceal the truth of your dishonest deplorable dealings.

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S. Londonderry VT

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Dec 9, 2010
 
Fa la la la la la la la wrote:
I am sure it will all resume when temperatures are such that the tanks wont freeze.
Resuming extraction & expecting Entergy to do its job hopefully will not continue to be carried out & at the customary liesurely pace, we see where that has gotten us.

VT now has a proven leader who will hold Entergy's & NRC's feet to the fire instead of a foot massage & shoeshine as Douglas did.

And, it's not exactly optional. Entergy's mess, contaminating the site, river & drinking water w/nuclear waste for over 15 years, which is all their own fault, is about to further contaminate the aquifer(s), sorry, happens to be a no brainer.

Perhaps they will learn that dragging a*s ends up being more costly in the 'end'.

It is obviously & entirely possible to pump when it's freezing, just more costly. Not our problem but Entergy's alone.

Since they could have been fined $150,000.00/day during the leak by NRC, w/the savings they can finish sucking up their mess.

Hopefully anyone foolish enough to attempt to overturn will of VTers & purchase the plant will take note of how friendly VT is to those who behave in a destructive manner to our state & will deal w/those in violation of our laws & standards.
Star of Wonder

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Dec 9, 2010
 
You may need better reading glasses my dear.

This is not an indication of additional leakage to the environment. The wells were intentionally installed within the area affected by prior tritium leakage to better understand site hudrology and help monitor groundwater. Nearby bedrock drinking water wells are not at risk of contaminiation. These bedrock aquifer wells are outside the path of the tritium plume and thus are not threatened by the plume. Wells GZ-12D and GZ-22D were located inside the known existing tritium plume. The absence of tritium from the samples in GZ-23 - GZ-27 indicate that there are no additional leaks at the site. These 2 sentinel wells were installed immedeiately adjacent to structures, systems and components containing radionuclides. These wells will be monitored monthly as part of the site's Grounwater Monitoring program. Drinkin water wells are not at risk of contaminiation. These bedrock aquifer wells are outside the path of the tritium plume. Vermont Yankee placed nine additional wells into service over the last two months to improve VY's ability to monitor the groundwater on site.

We actually have more site specific information that I am willing relate to you, let us know and I will print it here.

The short answer is, Peter Shumlin is still playing politics as usual.
NoNothings

Harwich, MA

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Dec 9, 2010
 
Howard Shaffer wrote:
Drinking the "Tritiated" water as it comes from the ground wouldn't be harmful, as proven by the EPA standard. It is 20,000 pico curies per liter, to give a body dose of 4 mrem FOR THE YEAR IF TWO LITERS OF WATER ARE DRUNK EVERY DAY FOR THE YEAR. This shows how much safety margin there is in the standard. So if I went to the site today and drank a quart of water at 500,000 pico curies per liter, nothing. Under the EPA standard I get 560,000 picocuries in two weeks. Got it?
This may clear things up for those who believe in science. For those who only believe in words, and get upset when they hear "radioactive" I don't know what to do. We are all exposed to radiation in our homes, outdoors, and from the sun.
We can measure the tinieat amounts. We know how much is safe.
Each one of us is responsible for controlling our own nuclear radiation exposure, by controlling how much direct exposure to the sun that we allow ourselves to get.
And what if you're feeding this water to a baby; every day. Day in; day out?

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